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Desperately need advice on advising Best Friend!!! (Long)

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mymama · 09/04/2006 12:40

My best friend of 15 years met her boyfriend approx 19 months ago. He moved in with her after two months. He has never taken her out to dinner, the movies or given her flowers. He didn't buy her a valentines present last year or a birthday present either. He verbally abuses her, belittles her in front of other people, drinks excessively, takes drugs, gambles, is a compulsive liar (she knows this) and is generally an arse!! My friend was in the process of building a house when they met and they moved into the house in November. In December she found out that he had been sleeping with someone else for 9 months!!!! He told her that this woman "forced" him and was blackmailing him the whole time. She kicked him out and took him back 2 weeks later. In Feb the other woman (41, married with 4 kids) announced she was pregnant and it was his. He talked her into terminating the pregnancy. My best friend is still with him and is trying to push him into getting married/have a baby as she is desperate for those things. She has actually had an engagement ring made and set a wedding date (he doesn't know about wedding date). She is 33 and he is 28. He is of course all sorry and sucking up and buying her flowers etc etc now but his old behaviour still comes out when he isn't concentrating so hard!! Anyway, the other woman is now harrassing them with phone calls and letters. In the letters the woman says that he told her he didn't love my friend, the sex was bad, she was smothering him and that he was only with her for the house etc etc. The woman also writes that she is going to make him suffer for lying to her and that he can't go back to his normal happy life because her husband left her when he found out. On Friday night she vandalised their new gardens and swimming pool when noone was home. She put a baby boy card in the mailbox with "Murderer" written all over it. The boyfriend is away working at the moment. My friend has had her charged and has taken a violence order out against her. Through all of this my friend maintains that this woman is crazy (which she is a little I think) and actually believes that blackmail story. She is absolutely miserable, does not trust him at all but maintains she loves him. I try to say in a nice, roundabout way to tell him to p*ss off but I don't actually say that. If I was a good friend would I tell her bluntly that he his hopeless and she needs to get rid of him?? I don't want to lose her friendship but I really can't support this relationship. She has asked me to be her bridesmaid at the wedding.

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FastasleepInABunnySuit · 09/04/2006 12:43

I would sit her down and have a srious chat with her, you've got to tell her what you really think! That's what good friends do imo, just tell her it's your opinion, and that you think she's a fab friend, and it's up to her what she does but you're really really worried about her...

hope she sees the light the poor girl Sad

FastasleepInABunnySuit · 09/04/2006 12:43

serious*

jabberwocky · 09/04/2006 13:04

It is very, very hard to get people like this to see through their partner's behavior - even though it is obvious to everyone else. A good friend of mine just went through something similar. However, I would still try talking to her. Tell her quite frankly that she is in an abusive relationship and that it pains you to see it happening. Be prepared for an adverse reaction, however, as she is more willing to believe her perception of the relationship atm that the reality of it.

jabberwocky · 09/04/2006 13:05

Oh, and you might consider telling her that you are not sure you could go through with being in the wedding since you are not supportive of it. She will more than likely get angry, but it may shock her into evaluating the situation a little more objectively.

mymama · 09/04/2006 13:42

Thank you for the responses. I know I need to get serious with her but I find it difficult. This is her first serious relationship and she desperately wants children. I am also exhausted myself from it all though. Every time she is upset/something happens she calls me crying and I take the problem on myself then too. If she continues in the relationship I don't think I have the strength myself to deal with the problems anymore. I am going to try to talk seriously with her Monday night. She will lead a life of misery with this bloke.

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mymama · 09/04/2006 13:43

Oh and might add that her mother and father (separated) both hate him and her sister has refused to be part of the wedding already. I feel like I can't let her down but I don't think I can muster up the happiness on the big day.

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desperateSCOUSEstrife · 09/04/2006 14:06

No offence but if you keep all nagging at her what an arse this fella is
your friend will just turn to him more

be supportive and tell your friend exactly what you think of their relationship and him
then leave it

also it is entirely up to her how she lives her life and if she chooses to live with this knobrot it is up to her
leave her to it

also dont get involved with her probs no more
surely you have enough to worrry about
rather than her and her knobrot of a fella
I have done it myself and other peoples problems consume over into our own lives
dont let it happen
just concentrate on your yourself and your own family
good luck
xxx

FastasleepInABunnySuit · 09/04/2006 15:57

Good luck mymama... hope it all goes ok on Monday, she should realise you're just being a friend!!

Scousey are you actually scouse? And if so, why are you avoiding the meets eh eh? Grin

mymama · 10/04/2006 01:46

Thanks scouse and fastasleep. It is her life and she does have to live it but I get at least one phone call every few days with her in tears over something he has done. I can honestly say that since she met him we have probably had 5 conversations about anything other than him and the rest have been consumed with her dramas. There are many times she has called me in an "emergency" and I have dropped everything to help her. This includes a time where I was reading a bedtime story to my children and she called me and "needed" me to phone the police to find out what they could do about the other woman's harrassment because they were both too embarrassed to ring the police themselves. It is now affecting my life to the point where my dh is not happy with our friendship as he says it affects my moods. I am going to speak with her tonight.

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Airy · 10/04/2006 02:03

I agree with Scouse, I think you definitely need to say something to her, but without pushing her into leaving him that has to be down to her.
I'd say that you can't take part in her wedding, explain why you can't support the relationship and stress that as much as you want to be her friend care for her etc. You can't be there when she has an 'emergency' or drama - you have your own life and family to concentrate on, and she will need to find someone else to turn to.
Good luck it sounds like a hideous situation
x

cataloguequeen · 10/04/2006 02:12

Hi mymama I just wanted to say what a good friend you are(keep your head up)!! this is a terribly difficult time you are going through with your friend I had to do same with my sister she was in a terrible situation but you have to let people make their owm decisions and then you will probably have to pick up some pieces, but she will thank you for it! some people are attracted to the wrong type of man it as simple as that!!,I told my sister I would never judge her or let her down and I think you should try to do the same, tell her how you feel about him but tell her you will support her what ever decision she makes, its really hard but as her bf it's all you can do good luck babe xx

cataloguequeen · 10/04/2006 02:37

btw my sister is now out of the situation (on her own)and is gettimg married to her new partner in Septenber.

wabbitintheheadlamps · 10/04/2006 03:47

Oh echoes of my experiences at the start of the year - though my cheating liar wasn't abusive ever - he did manage to get the 'other' woman pregnant twice and she lost both ... the calls and threats are so similar and his saying she 'forced' him is also identical to my situation... there's obviously a philaderers code out there that the bastards refer to!

It's taken me two months to ditch him and re-start my life... he was selfish and cruel and heartless

Your friend needs to come to terms with losing here 'dream' and being able to grieve for it... in her heart of hearts I'm sure she knows this won't work, but dreams are like a huge juggernaught that take ages to bring to a halt and turn about...

I hope she realises that having a baby and a ring on her finger won't change this guy at all? She's young and has loads to feel confident about (managing the building of her own house) There's some lovely man out there that she's denying meeting a clever, loyal and loving woman if she continues to persue her relationship with the dckhad

Sorry this sounds so vitriolic - I can't believe how much better I feel for taking the plunge and freeing myself of a man who watched and supported me giving birth to our baby and then within days slept with another woman - They're sh*ts and deserve to lose everything they have.

{{{{Hugs}}}} to your friend and to you for caring so much xx

wabbitintheheadlamps · 10/04/2006 03:48

Philanderers* (don't even know if that's spelt right Blush

mymama · 10/04/2006 05:14

cataloguequeen - thank you. I like to think of myself as a good friend but I had begun to doubt myself because I could not be happy for her.

wabbit - your fellow sounded hideous. Nice to her that you have your life on track again.

I am feeling more confident about expressing my own opinion to her now that I have read this thread. I realise I am taking a risk that she may be very angry with me and I know that she will most likely stay with him anyway but at least I will be able to sleep at night knowing that I tried.

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wabbitintheheadlamps · 10/04/2006 14:32

Mymama - if you tell her what you think with love I'm sure she wont be angry - my family told me I should leave but supported my initial decision to stay... they knew it would take time... hope you find the right words xx

wabbitintheheadlamps · 10/04/2006 14:34

Oh cataloguequeen - absolutely Smile

desperateSCOUSEstrife · 10/04/2006 14:35

mymama good luck for tonite
xxx
ps what a cheek, that they are too embarrassed to call the bizzies themselves
like you have nothing better to do

wabbitintheheadlamps · 12/04/2006 01:20

How did your chat go Mymama?

mymama · 12/04/2006 13:53

wabbit - she phoned me monday night all excited to tell me that the other woman had been "served" her violence order and that the charges for the destruction of property would probably happen in next couple of days. I tried to broach subject of boyfriend but she was rather defensive. Am going away for Easter weekend tomorrow so planning to talk to her Tuesday now.

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