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separating and stressed beyond normal stress...am i insane?

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bobsleigh · 01/12/2012 22:32

So, today I am 39...my soon to be ex partner stumbled out of bed at 9.30- I was up at 5.30 with DS - to give me a card, create mega mess in the kitchen and go back to bed. I was doing my usual looking after DS- who is gorgeous and a delight to me daily - whilst soon to be ex went off and did his thing, after eventually getting out of bed.

As he is soon to be ex, I hear you cry...'what do you expect!' But our situation is complicated and there has always been love of a sort there. I am trying to sell a property before moving out. He can't move. He is out of work. I work part time and hate leaving DS who is 20 months. I do everything at home. I Don't know where I will move...needs to be near soon to be ex for DS involvement and affordable. I had a missed miscarriage in June...found out at 11.5 weeks...it was a planned pregnancy. I never really had a chance to grieve.

This evening soon to be ex asked what I had to be stressed about, and said I should sort it out. I do Everything in this relationship. Am I missing something here??!!

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Spero · 01/12/2012 23:04

Sorry, I don't understand. How are you doing everything in a relationship which is over? You can't have a soon to be ex. You are either in a relationship or not. Anything else is a mess of confusion, hurt and pain, so no wonder you are incredibly stressed.

I think you need to get out of that environment asap. Can't he go and stay with a friend? It sounds as if you are running around your own head like a hamster wheel. This must be awful for you.

bobsleigh · 02/12/2012 07:10

Yes i see your point...we are in the process of splitting up in terms of living arrangements, but emotionally have already split up, and he can't really go and stay with a friend...whilst we are in the same house we are managing to keep things amicable...and we would both like another baby - I am aware of how crazy this sounds, but really don't want DS to be an only child. I'm planning on being a childminder so can be at home, and hope to be able support me and 2 little ones. Hasn't happened yet though.

So its an odd situation. I should rephrase my comment...I do everything in this situation, which is one of cohabiting parents who have split up.

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bobsleigh · 02/12/2012 07:11

And thanks for replying!

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SaraBellumHertz · 02/12/2012 07:14

Right so you are planning a separation but a baby at the same time?

You are therefore having sex with someone you claim to be emotionally separated from.

No wonder you are stressed.

OpheliaPayneAgain · 02/12/2012 07:15

I'm gobsmacked that you want to bring another child into this world when you aren't in a relationship with the father. So very selfish Sad.

MushroomSoup · 02/12/2012 08:50

In answer to your question - yes, I think you are insane.
Having regular sex and trying to conceive with a man you are leaving.
It actually sounds like you are very much together, but you have decided that you're not - which means you both have the benefits but are free to be bloody minded about the bits that don't suit you.
No wonder you are stressed.

MushroomSoup · 02/12/2012 08:52

Just thought of something else. If you ARE separated, what days does ExP take responsibility for your DC? You can't complain he is 'doing his own thing' and you are looking after the baby if you haven't sorted out the contact arrangements yet.
If you are separated, there should be days when HE gets up and you are free ALL DAY.

Mum2Fergus · 02/12/2012 08:57

I think you are both being entirely selfish, not only to potential DC but existing too. You are either separated, or you are not. You're clearly making your own plans minus DP, so have him move out to family/friends if you are serious.

EdithWeston · 02/12/2012 09:02

The need to sell the property sounds like an excuse not a reason.

You are going to end up under separate roofs, so I think you should tell him to get on with it. Perhaps lodging with a friend until you can each afford a more long-term place?

Unless of course you don't really want to be separated? Are you secretly hoping for a reconciliation?

Letsmakecookies · 02/12/2012 09:17

Ok. You are 39. You feel this is your last chance for another baby. You are presumably unhappy with your partner since you are split up. But the split is unclear because he still lives at home, is unsupportive, and you are so stressed. Of course there is a sort of love there, that is normal and means nothing other than you have a possible big case of the should haves and could haves.

I understand your motivations, but you are causing yourself enormous stress (and he does not care), you are also selfish to be wanting another child with him. He sounds like a cocklodger to be honest. Unsupportive, no income. Behaves like a teen. No wonder you are so stressed. You need to take emotions out of this and start rebuilding your life.

Accept it is over. Accept you will have one child. Tell him to leave the home and get a job. Separate out finances. You have a child already, who you need to look after and care for financially, emotionally, physically. You are already stressed. What will you do if you do find yourself pregnant and the child is god-forbid disabled. He may just walk out and leave you with the baby even if there are no added stresses like disability. How will you afford these children on a part time job and no maintenance from him? Can you emotionally take care of your child with more stress, babies are not exactly a walk in the park and having two young children with no partner - hellishly difficult.

You are hoping to be a child minder at home. But have you got qualifications/clients?

You need to give yourself a huge hug and work yourself out of this enormous emotional mess you are in and start looking after yourself.

ElectricSheep · 02/12/2012 09:38

Nothing harder than living with ex-partner. No wonder you are stressed.

First you need to get him out. Until you do you will find it pretty impossible to detach from your feelings for him. Once he's gone you will find it much easier to think clearly.

I'm so sorry to hear of your mc. That must have put the top on the emotional confusion soup, particularly if you feel you have had no space to grieve in. I know how hard it is when you feel that that will be your last experience of babies. And there is a very deep overwhelming urge to replace that lost baby with another pg. But following that line at the moment will just lead you into further misery with a partner who will exploit the situation and have no consideration for you, let alone put your needs first during your time of need while you were pg and had a newborn.

My suggestion is to get clear of this stressful situation first - get him out, settle down a bit with your DC, get the childminding up and running. Then if you want one more do it then via donation or another method.

Look after yourself and get the selfish prick out. You can do much better.

bobsleigh · 02/12/2012 13:47

Wow. I am kind of horrified I started this post, and kind of glad because in this environment people can be - and clearly are being - totally honest.

Ok, firstly, we all live in his housing association property - he cannot leave. I have to be the one who leaves. I cannot afford to rent somewhere on my wages - and if I could, it would be a further move for DS. As I said, things are generally amicable at home - (my post last night was at a really low point, after a depressing day). I therefore have to sell my property and buy another before moving out. I could potentially live in that property, but it is not in an area where I want DS to be brought up. And to move there for a bit while I sort things, would be a nightmare commute to work - so would see even less of DS. I am really trying to move out. I cannot see a reconciliation happening.

My ex, or whatever I am supposed to call him, was in work, but made redundant - though it's true he has a dreadful work history. All 3 of us are living on my income - he does not get dole money as apparently we can all live off my earnings. I am not a high earner. He cannot get work - in part due to his work history, in part to the lack of work out there, and in part because he looks after DS while I am at work, and I do not work the same days or shifts each week, despite many negotiations with my boss. I can't afford childcare, and you only get tax credits for childcare if you are both working.

There is, I know, work out there. My ex has a fair few issues, though is not a bad person. He is, as those who have pointed it out, very selfish. He is also increasingly frustrated by his inability to get work - I have tried and tried to help him with that, but frankly have enough on my plate and he is not a child.

This impossible situation surrounding his work/me hating being at work, has contributed massively to our split.

Splitting up is a process...you do not wake up one day and say Right, we have separate lives now. It is particularly hard of course with a little one, and when still living together. I guess everyone has different arrangements after the break-up and moving out. I refuse to be in that kind of situation where you drop the children off on each others doorsteps, but don't go in, where you remain at war. I believe we can remain amicable, and after a while, friends. It happens. It would take too long to write all the reasons I think this can happen. So, we do not have 'access days' - our situation is just not set up for that right now.

Regarding the trying to pregnant thing....OK, I guess this is a warm up for if it does actually happen....you are all, of course, entitled to your opinions and I respect your views. I suppose I kind of wanted to see what peoples view would be. For those of you who took the time to add a little more than 'you are selfish' - thank you. And yes, Electricsheep, the mc was very hard. Having a child is actually always a selfish move - we all have them for ourselves...it's not as if the world is short of human beings. And, please note, I did say at the start - I am not keen on DS being an only child, I want him to have a support network, a sibling who has experienced a similar childhood. I know there is no guarantee that they would get on etc etc. And people do this. I am not the only one. Others are perhaps a little less honest about it. If I Did do it, and I am managing to support the 3 of us, and my ex and I have a good relationship as parents and as friends, then I really don't think it is such a terrible thing to do. I genuinely see where your opinions are coming from, and Electricsheep and letsmakecookies I appreciate the more in depth views.

In terms of separating out finances - I pay for everything, he will get benefits when I leave, so it is pretty simple. In terms of doubting he will be there for me if I have a newborn and DS - I know this. Although he does look after DS when I am at work, and they are fine together, I do everything else. He never gets up in the mornings, gave up getting up at night a long time ago. I tend to take over a bit, and he tends to let me - I am not expecting anything from him other than him having a relationship with DS and any potential other. He does, I have to say, adore DS - is just crap at doing the day to day stuff.

Childminding - all do-able - I know what courses I need to do, none are more than a day or two in length. Finding clients - more risky. Another reason I am stressed.

God I don't know if I have covered everything. Mostly, at home, we still manage to have a laugh, with each other and with DS, who thus far seems to be a very happy child. However there are still so many reasons that I do not think being together is going to work. Please try not to judge too harshly - it is difficult to put into a mumsnet post a whole history. Comments are however still appreciated. I will be amazed if anyone got to the end of reading this - cheers if you did!

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Doha · 02/12/2012 14:04

You are being totally unreasonable to even think about another pregnancy in your current situation. To have sex with your soon to be ex P just for the sake of your DS being an only child.
Unbelievably selfish

dequoisagitil · 02/12/2012 14:58

Could you rent out your property and use the money for a rent somewhere for yourself? Or live there yourself while trying to sell up? Your child isn't old enough for schools etc to matter so the area isn?t of vital importance right now.

Being an only child is not a horrible thing and you do not know that if you had a second child that it work out that the two would support each other growing up or as adults - they might not get along at all. Also, if your proposed second dc has any health issues or disabilities, you could end up being unable to work & support your family.

You?re bound to be stressed if you are accepting this sort of half-life with someone, for the sake of a rigid life-plan.

MaggieMaggieMaggieMcGill · 02/12/2012 15:04

Please don't have another child, being an only child is not a bad thing. If you want that kind of kinship for him with someone, then try to find two or three people/couples who you can forge a long-term friendship with for yourself and for him.
It all sounds incredibly tough and I'm not sued, due to all the stress that is going on at the moment, that you are seeing or thinking clearly.
I'd suggest going and talking things through with your gp/try and get a referral for some counselling.

MaggieMaggieMaggieMcGill · 02/12/2012 15:05

*not sure

mammadiggingdeep · 02/12/2012 15:13

Why are u splitting up? You fancy him enough to have sex, you have 'a laugh', you love him enough to have another child with him.....
Have you had couples councilling? I'm not sure at all what I think about the second baby- if I was born in these circumstances (ie after parents had split) I think I'd feel a bit cheated.....

mammadiggingdeep · 02/12/2012 15:15

Even if you weren't splitting you sound very stressed and confused, not a great environment for a new baby

Alittlestranger · 02/12/2012 16:01

You're right that splitting up is a process, but it seems like you're trying to put the breaks on that process. IMHO you will be happier in the long run if you accept that your relationship is over and start building an independent life for you and your daughter. I wish you could read your post with someone else's eyes and realise how bonkers it sounds to be planning to try for a baby with a man you're seperated from. Surely no one can think that being an only child is that awful? You do seem in denial that this relationship is over.

Unless your relationship is salvagable. But you can't exist in this weird limbo.

Spero · 02/12/2012 16:47

Still don't agree that splitting up is a 'process'. The actual moving out and sorting out stuff may well be a process but I think in terms of the relationship you are either in or out. The middle ground is hellish limbo.

A friend of mine was in your situation and she said she wanted to try for another baby before he moved out in case her first child turned out to be a drug addict! She wanted 'one to fall back on'!

I thought then and think now she was insane, I think the stress of the relationship was stopping her thinking rationally. I stuck at one because I knew I could not afford any more children as a single parent, and I am on a good wage. How on earth are you going to afford two lots of nursery/child minder fees as a single parent? Have you really thought this through?

I can just about cope one child on my own - I imagine it is much harder to juggle with two and work.

Sorry, it isn't what you want to hear but I think it would be a very bad idea to add another baby into this kind of mix. I think you need to sort out where your head is at first.

arequipa · 02/12/2012 22:41

Don't take any notice of people calling you selfish - it's not a helpful comment and so easy to judge others. I think most people in your situation would in future years look back and say "that was an awful time and I wish we'd split sooner." There are real financial constraints on you at present so keep focussed on the practical steps you are making towards separation. I would question the desperation in your wish to get another baby in quick as if it's all part of a plan that has to be achieved in a certain time frame. Can you put that idea on hold ? It might look v different when life in less stressful. New partners come along, babies are had up to 45,or don't arrive at all when wanted, minds change and one loved DC can feel just enough....You can't control everything. Sometimes that's a relief.

bobsleigh · 03/12/2012 21:12

Thank you Arequipa, for a sensitive and compassionate post. To those who have merely judged me as selfish, without backing this up with anything further...I really don't understand why you bother - presumably your aim is to stop me going for another baby, but all it does it is get my back up that you are so judgemental and are unable to consider my position.

Thanks to those of you who have actually made sensible suggestions - finances are of course a major issue - just to note that if I become a childminder, I will not have any childcare fees, and as my child/children, get older, I will be able to earn more money, whilst still being there for them after school and so on.

It is not as simple as 'telling' my ex what to do - I can't make him do anything, not would I want to. We have discussed this situation over and over, and I have to make my plans as he really is not able to offer any other solution. He has had a chance to go to couples counselling, but he won't do it.

I am not making excuses not to separate - I really can't afford to just move out, and I really don't want to move DS more than I have to - and as I said before, I don't think I would be doing DS any favours by moving to my old place and then moving again - and it would also be a much longer day without seeing him, which will not help him!

I put in the info about us still having a laugh etc to emphasise that it is not a tension filled home environment full of rows - if it was, I agree that the best thing for DS would be to get out. It takes more than 'having a laugh' and sex to make a successful relationship.

I'm not at all sure that considering donation would be any more 'sensible' than having another child with ex.

My post may sound confused, because it is a confused situation. I am pretty clear that whilst I still feel for my ex, and very much want things to work out for him, the best thing for all of us is separation.

It is a good point that I do not have to decide now about another baby. I do not, in fact, have a rigid life plan, and realise that being an only child is not the worst thing that can happen.

It is also a good point that I find some counselling for myself perhaps, to talk through these issues and make a final, self aware, decision.

I have good friends to talk to too - people who know me, who know that I am far from selfish, who know my ex, and the type of mother I am. I would also like to add that it is not a case of DS not being enough - he is, as I said, absolutely wonderful.

But I think any decision I make should be based on what I know about myself and my unconventional little family, and to take advice from close friends or wider family, and guidance from a professional counsellor, rather than from strangers who know little about me.

I realise that I lay myself open to comments by posting, and I did ask a question, which people have answered.

Thanks for the more considered comments, even if don't entirely agree with them.

I think the best thing now is for me to sign out, and get on with doing what I need to do to make the best possible life for myself and DS.

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