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Uncomfortable with distant relationship with old friend

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UnbridledPositivity · 29/11/2012 19:37

Im meeting her for coffee tomorrow, and I can't take another hour exchanging meaningless pleasantries and empty chit chat! So I'd be grateful for any views and advice on what to do.

My friend, let's call her Jane for that is her name, is the same age as me (late 20s), we've known each other for 10 years. We were quite close initially, I spent the occasional weekend at her house (my family too far away to reciprocate).

Kept in touch while we were at uni at opposite ends of the country, I visited her a few times, she never visited me. After my degree I moved to her town, mostly because of her, but also for work reasons. We met up regularly with our OHs until I got pregnant and couldn't leave the house due to Hyperemesis. She visited once during my pregnancy, and then again when baby was born.

A year later I separated from my husband and she was very supportive, coming to my house at midnight after I asked him to leave, and every day for an hour or so for about a week. So she was very supportive. But after a few months of meeting up regularly she seemed to get annoyed or bored whenever I talked about things I struggled with, at one point she even said 'I don't know what to say...' in a kind of 'oh well, nevermind' kind of way. I'd understand this if I only talked about how hard my life was, but I made a conscious effort not to become that person and made a point of asking about her stuff, offering support when she seemed down.

She seemed to prefer not sharing much of what was going on in her life, and still never lets on when something is difficult or really bothering her. Sometimes she might drop a tiny hint when everything is resolved already.

This all seems to indicate to me that she wants to wind our relationship down, and that's fine. But I'm confused because she still keeps giving me birthday and Christmas gifts for DD, exH and me, and she asks if I want to meet for coffee every couple of weeks, and keeps saying 'oh, you'll all have to come round to our house soon' etc.

We work in the same office, and at the moment she only says hello and barely ever stops by my desk for a chat. When I go to her desk to ask a question or whatever, she's friendly.

So, perspectives please. What's going on here?! Are we just done? Should I say no to coffee from now on?

Is it ever ok to ask her what's going on, or could that only go wrong?

(Just for full background info, she is occasionally quite patronising, and I generally feel quite inadequate next to her as in the last 2-3 years she seems to have been on a self-improvement mission - steadily losing weight, carefully put together outfits, more and more expensive clothes, whereas I first became a mum, and then a single mum, so you can imagine how I feel about myself.)

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bonhomiee · 01/12/2012 00:21

eek... its really up to you. Do you feel hurt or do you find her annoying, or both?

FiercePanda · 01/12/2012 00:21

She's invited you out with her other friend (she is allowed to discuss other friends, its not a slap in the face). Regardless of your situation, it is not your place to make "sarcastic comments". Meet with your friend, be sociable/polite, leave it at that.

baublesandbaileys · 01/12/2012 00:22

sounds to me that on both sides you're both in the classic old friend = good friend trap!

its easy to correlate years of friendship with expectations of quality of the friendship, rather than to see what it is or isn't right now

She prob does the regular coffees and gifts out of habit because you are "old friends". You prob expect more of her than others you work with because you are "old friends"

its nice to have old friends, but only if it evolves to suit who you both are now

UnbridledPositivity · 01/12/2012 00:26

I kind of feel both hurt and annoyed. And annoyed about feeling like that! Grin

Discussing other friends is not a slap in the face, obviously, but detailing all the support she's giving other friends when I could have really done with that support a while ago is. She was supportive for about a week, and after that she started abruptly changing the subject whenever I gave the slightest indication I was struggling with something. So I stopped talking about my stuff apart from in very general terms while putting a positive spin on it so she wouldn't get bored. Ad now I'm thinking, things are pretty bloody rubbish for me - how rude to react in that way.

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baublesandbaileys · 01/12/2012 00:29

you're not her support system OP, but you do seem to expect her to be yours, even though you at the same time don't seem to like her all that much?

why do you expect her to be your shoulder to cry on when she is quite obviously a coffee and chit chat friend/colleague?

bonhomiee · 01/12/2012 00:35

Some strange dynamic is going on and you are not likely to find out what it is. Take a back step, be cordial and make new friends because this one isn't working atm. Sounds as tho you are both a bit uncomfortable and you feel as tho she has let you down.

LastMangoInParis · 01/12/2012 00:40

Yes, there's certainly a 'strange dynamic'.
Unbridled you do seem to take a lot of stuff very personally... You sound as if you're quite needy in relation to this friend, and also as if you're feeling quite insecure.
It sounds as if she's getting on with her life, but you want things from her that she's not obliged to give.
Why not just back off for a bit without taking such a negative view of her or interpreting what she does so negatively?
You seem to be in a state where you feel everything reflects on you in some way. That can be quite trying to be around.

Do you ask her about her life, by the way?

SaraBellumHertz · 01/12/2012 04:50

You sound very emotionally insecure and frankly a little envious of your friend. Your description of her new clothes and "persona" sound like a dig - why would you not just accept that over ten years people change and it would be entirely reasonable for a woman who now works in a professional environment to change her style and dress differently to the student she was ten years ago.

She was clearly a huge source of support when your marriage broke down, but how have you ever supported her? Your posts are all a bit me me me and the idea that she invited you out with a friend but you're not sure you could "refrain from sarcastic comments" makes you sound like hard work. I certainly wouldn't follow through with a friend who I thought would upset another.

Take this for what it is: a casual friendship. If you want more then perhaps you should take a bit more responsibility to be a friend to her rather than seemingly expecting her to drop other friends so she can support you at the drop of a hat.

UnbridledPositivity · 01/12/2012 07:39

The point I've been trying to make is that she was very supportive for about a week and then suddenly got bored of it. I wanted to be supportive to her to show her I appreciate her support, but she doesn't seem to want this. I ask about her life all the time precisely because I didn't want to let my crisis turn me into a 'me me me' kind of person.

Yes, people move on personality wise as they grow up, but she just seems to make this huge conscious effort to look and be a certain way, and it seems a bit fake. Yes, you're right, I'm absolutely jealous, I wish I had her eye for colour and the money and time to spend on assembling great outfits. She has mentioned going shopping together and I would have really liked that, but again, nothing happened and I just heard about her trip with the other friend later.

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UnbridledPositivity · 01/12/2012 07:41

And also we're still students, just very serious students who work in an office, teach other people and do the occasional 'professional' type thing.

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FiercePanda · 01/12/2012 08:13

Honestly, if it's annoying/upsetting you (which it clearly is) take a step back. Accept that she's never going to be the friend you want her to be, she's changed over time, and move on. She will be sensing/aware of your resentment and jealousy, which may partly explain why she's less keen to share. People change, friendships adapt, put it down to experience and let it go.

TheLightPassenger · 01/12/2012 09:09

what happens if you chase her a bit about the invitations - shopping etc that never quite materialise.

Otherwise great advice from Fierce Panda and Bonhomlee.

UnbridledPositivity · 01/12/2012 15:23

I've never tried to chase her as my invitation is usually tagged on to an event she's going to already anyway. So for example she might say 'x and I are going to blah blah next week, you'd be welcome to join us'. So I don't want to be pushy when I feel like an afterthought/pity invite already. Perhaps I'll try it next time though, if there is another invite, that is.

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baublesandbaileys · 01/12/2012 22:19

I think she sounds nice and busy and interesting. You seem to want a fairly intense 1:1 best-friendey type relationship from her that she doesn't want from you.

and I still think it doesn't sound like you LIKE her an awful lot, yet you have high expectations about the intensity of the relationship

baublesandbaileys · 01/12/2012 22:20

p.s. I'm not surprized she's not inclined to open her heart to you about personal stuff, when you criticise her look as "fake" etc.

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