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relationship-rotting grumpiness

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FreudianLisp · 28/11/2012 16:38

[Oops. I didn't intend this to be so long. But it just started pouring out...]

I am really really struggling with my husband's grumpiness, to the extent that I often feel a weight is lifted when he leaves the house. Sad He has a naturally pessimistic outlook on life, and will always make a negative remark if I comment on something or if I get enthusiastic about something. Everyday things can trigger miserable moods that last for hours and hours. He isn't clinically depressed, but is I think just chronically dysthymic. I don't think he has ever felt joy or excitement. He wasn't so much like this when we met, because our lives were much easier then.

It's true we have some stress, but our lives are comfortable and pleasant compared with the problems most people on this planet face. Yes we have toddler twins and a crazy house that is hard work to maintain. Yes his job is stressful (but so is mine). But honestly, our lives really could be a LOT worse. I do all the night stuff with our insomniac twins because he can't handle sleep loss, but then he gets grumpy because he feels guilty that I'm doing too much!

We do work well as a team in our house. Although I do almost all the child stuff, he does more of the domestic stuff, which suits both of us. We're both behind with our 'to-do' lists, but he is completely tyrannised by his: if I suggest we might do something as a family for once (gobsmacked emoticon) I'll get a 5-minute stressed lecture about how much he has to do.

I have tried to talk to him. I have told him how hard I find it. Sometimes he apologises which is lovely, but once that's done, I'm just waiting for the next mood to start. One night he came home, gave me a hug, and told me he wanted me to take a zero-tolerance approach to his moods, but the next night we were back to business as usual.

Almost everybody gets a bit grumpy sometimes. But this is so extreme. I can put up with lots of things in our relationship (eg no sex) but the moodiness makes day-to-day living hard.

It doesn't help that our beliefs are different. He thinks it's normal to not make an effort with your nearest and dearest. I was brought up by two mildly depressed parents and even as a child, I resolved that I was going to make an effort to be friendly to people close to me as well as to everyone else. Also, I have a job in which I have to be very emotionally calm in the face of sometimes highly emotive/unreasonable behaviour. He, on the other hand, admits that he snaps at people at work!

The last straw is that he has just been on a short holiday with his friend, which is completely fine by me. (She's lovely and can often talk some sense into him!) But instead of coming back refreshed, he's come back GRUMPY!

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 28/11/2012 16:42

He's choosing to be grumpy. He knows you're the sunny type, 'a coper', and you feel obliged to create a pleasant environment for those you come into contact with. So he's exploiting your good nature by remaining grumpy & keeping you in a state of trying to cheer him up. Some will tell you it's a form of emotional abuse. Once you realise that, a lot of other things will fall into place

AttilaTheMeerkat · 28/11/2012 16:48

What Cogito wrote.

What do you get out of this relationship now?. There is no sex in this relationship, he is always negative about any positivity you show and he has a ready made excuse (his to do list) to get out of doing things with his family unit.

What do you want to teach your children about relationships here; this is not a good role model for them to learn from and copy is it?.

He is making a conscious choice to be so miserable and acts like this as well because he can. Power and control comes into this as well, this is what abuse is all about.

If it was not for your children, would you two be together now?.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 28/11/2012 16:51

"It doesn't help that our beliefs are different. "

When two people disagree on fundamental values and are miserable in each other's company then the bald truth is that they are incompatible. I would ask, in addition to 'would you be together now if it wasn't for the children?'... 'if you met this man for the first time tomorrow and he behaved this way, would he make your short-list for life-partner or would he not even get a second date?'

PostBellumBugsy · 28/11/2012 16:51

FreudianLisp - my ex-H did this. I became his emotional dumping ground. All the bad & negative stuff in his life he emptied out onto me. It was draining & exhausting and made me feel miserable. I referred to his behaviour as "joy sucking". If he wasn't in the mood, he would suck all the joy & happiness out of something.

I never managed to see it for what it was & ended up doing what you do, which was trying to jolly him along, make everything better & bend over backwards to cope with all the shit stuff, so that he didn't have to.

I think Cogito is right, it is a form of emotional manipulation and possibly emotional abuse when used constantly.

You can't change your H, but you can change how you react & I think you need to stop being such a great coper for a start.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 28/11/2012 16:52

"I referred to his behaviour as "joy sucking"." (I call them 'Dementors' :) )

Itwillendinsmiles · 28/11/2012 16:52

My DH can be grumpy but I'll ask just once if he wants to talk about anything and then whether he does or not I get on with stuff and ignore his mood - though not him - and I'll include him as much or little as usual depending on what's going on.

I suppose I've simply learned to detach and while I acknowledge his mood, I don't let it effect me.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 28/11/2012 16:55

@Itwillendinsmiles.... doesn't that make for a really bad atmosphere at home if you have to settle for being 'detached'? Don't you feel like strangers living separate lives under the same roof rather than a couple enjoying each other's company?

amillionyears · 28/11/2012 17:04

My first reaction to your post, was to suggest a holiday and see if he was grumpy then. But he has just had one, and returned grumpy.
My second reaction was to agree with Cogitos post.

My third reaction, is that you should take him at his word.
Zero tolerance.
I think he can be helped, encouraged and generally glared at to become a lot less grumpy. It will take time and patience on both sides. Good luck!

izzyizin · 28/11/2012 17:32

He told you he wanted you 'to take a zero-tolerance approach to his moods'?

Give him his heart's desire. Next time he pollutes your home with his unreasonable grumpiness tell him that until he learns to be a postiive role model for his twins he can live elsewhere - and mean it because the more you tolerate his unacceptable behaviour and enable him to crap on your well-balanced nature, the more he'lll indulge himself.

The fact that he snaps at his work colleagues too suggests he's long overdue for reappraisal of his attitude to other people as well as to his life in general and, to that end, he'd benefit from attending an anger manaagement course.

FreudianLisp · 28/11/2012 17:43

OP here. Can I just say a heartfelt thank you for the very thoughtful replies that have been posted here. I've got to go and bath the boys now but will come back as soon as I can tonight to respond properly.

Thank you.

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dontyouwantmebaby · 28/11/2012 17:43

I too am living with someone who has a v.negative outlook on life and grumpy moods, whilst I am the 'sunny' positive one. It is v. draining to live with a moody git and it has changed me as a person. Often feel tense, anxious and miserable and that the life is being sucked out of me ("dementor" is how I see it too!) Sad

The difference between our situations is that your OH has both apologised for and acknowledged that he has these dreadful moods. His suggestion of zero tolerance on your part is something you should try and I wish you the best of luck with it.

Sometimes I have tried ignoring his moods but its difficult to lift your spirits when there's a misery guts around...

Magicmayhem · 28/11/2012 19:09

my ex was like this, he would come in from work with a black cloud hanging over him... I used to dread him coming home... i love the joy sucker explanation...
I just wondered FreudianLisp, does he drink much?

FreudianLisp · 28/11/2012 20:46

Thank you again. Will reply properly as soon as I can but husband is hanging around at the moment....

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Arcadia · 28/11/2012 21:25

Watching with interest because am in similar situation, no advice I'm afraid, but I know what it is like!

KeatsiePie · 28/11/2012 23:39

Ugh, I could have written a lot of your post. I don't have time to post more now but will be back to commiserate/trade tactics/sigh a lot.

deliasmithy · 29/11/2012 00:41

Talk to him about it. Explain that it feels it has increased. Ask him what he thinks is different or what he might be grumpy about. Explain that you feel as the nearest target he is letting rip at you, explain how this makes you feel. Tell him what you fear happening, like the children becoming negative, or it impacting on relationship. Provide feedback when it's at its worst, but not all the time.

BookieMonster · 29/11/2012 04:46

Perhaps a visit to the GP for a referral to a therapist. It sounds as though he needs to "reset" his approach to life and some CBT might be really useful in this case.

SirSugar · 29/11/2012 08:28

who is this woman friend he goes on holiday with?

ThatDudeSanta · 29/11/2012 08:33

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badguider · 29/11/2012 08:35

Does he exercise or have any other stress release? Dies he sleep well?
To some extent I agree with people saying he chooses to be grumpy but also I know that when things get on top of you it's hard to change.

I would really challenge him to assess his life and SO SOMETHING about anything that's really getting him down and then you can take a rely hard line with getting him to put up and shut up with whatever he/you haven't changed.

badguider · 29/11/2012 08:37

DO something. Not so something Blush

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