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DF tried to punch DB in my living room - perspective needed! (sorry, very long)

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TheDayAfterThanksgiving · 26/11/2012 19:18

I just moved back to the US with my English DH and our 6 month old DD, partially in order to be closer to my family, epecially my mother who I am very close to. My father has a history of anger issues and just generally acting immaturely. My brother can be very disrespectful towards him, and although I try not to I sometimes lose my temper and snap at him. My mom generally stays out of our disagreements, but they have a lot of fights as well. I spent a lot of my childhood listening to yelling and have worked really hard in my adult life to control my temper and not repeat my parents' mistakes.

My parents and brother (32 years old, but still living with and mainly supported by my parents as he hasn't been able to get/hold down a full time job in this economy) came to visit us for a week around Thanksgiving. Since arriving, my father has been constantly critiquing my driving. I have asked him politely many times to not do this, but he hasn't stopped. While parking yesterday, he told me that I was never going to get into a parking space, and I snapped at him something along the lines of "Can you please shut up? It isn't that hard to do." He then proceeded to sulk and give me the silent treatment for the rest of the night. I apologised to him after I calmed down, and he didn't even acknowledge that I had spoken.

Later that evening, my brother was mouthing off to my father about a football game. My father was getting over emotional about it, and my brother was telling him to calm down. Finally, my brother said that my father needed to stop getting angry and acting immature. My father yelled "I'm not angry," and lunged at my brother, trying to physically attack him. My brother is about twice the size of my father and managed to hold him off, while my mother tried to get in the middle of them. I screamed out that if it didn't stop right now I would call the police, and then my father let go. My mother said it was time to go and I drove them to their hotel in silence.

My DH is livid about this, as am I. First, we don't think my father's reaction to my remark (which set the mood for the altercation - my mother actually said during the fight that my dad was really mad at me and not my brother) was reasonable, but mainly because we cannot believe he attacked my brother in our living room. Luckily my DD was sleeping in the other room, but I'm not sure he would have contained himself if she was there, and this happened right over her play mat.

This morning my mother had us sit for a "family meeting", during which my dad did not accept any responsibility for his behaviour. Everything was our fault for "ganging up" on him. He also firmly stated that he did not accept my earlier apology for snapping at him. Finally, I said that after "the stunt" (not particularly mature of me - I was getting angry at this point) he pulled last night... At this, he stood up, pointed at my brother and screamed "The stunt I pulled? No, the stunt HE pulled." He was being very intimidating and my DD started crying. I said I wasn't going to expose my DD to this and left.

Now, my parents and brother are still in town, but not with me as I do not want to be around my father anymore. Also, my DH no longer wants to visit my family at Christmas. He is saying that he is upset that we moved here to be closer to my familiy if this is what they will act like, and I kind of agree with him. His family are lovely, and would never dream of behaving like this. This is really extreme for my family, although my dad attacked my brother one other time (that I know of) when my brother was around 14.

Am I doing the right thing to create an estrangement over this? Is there any other solution?

Thanks for reading this far...I'd really appreciate some perspective. I am too close to know what to do, and feel really guitly that I am the one who started the whole thing. Plus I'm upset that I am missing time with my mother because of this, and am not sure how things will be in the future.

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colditz · 26/11/2012 19:25

What a horrible situation. Your poor brother and poor you.

I wouldn't be seeking your fathers company, can you not see your mother and yr brother without him?

Also, your husband has a very good point. He must be absolutely horrified, he has essentially moved into the set of Jerry Springer, it must be an awful shock for him. Cld you, would you, not move beck to his family?

HoratiaWinwood · 26/11/2012 19:29

One other time? You do realise it isn't normal to react like that ever?

I'm sorry your holiday has been spoilt by his behaviour. I'm sure it was tricky to think of reasons to be thankful in the circumstances.

Not seeing them at Christmas wouldn't be an overreaction. A bit of space might help.

Good luck.

LemonBreeland · 26/11/2012 19:34

I think you really do nedx to put some distance between yourself and your father at least.

He has not accepted any resposibility for his actions at all. He odesn't see anything wrong woth his behaviour a and won't accept an apology from you when all you did was snap at him.

They sound very toxic.

TheDayAfterThanksgiving · 26/11/2012 20:03

Thanks for the responses. It does sound awful written down here. I do know it's not normal, but it is what I am used to so feels normal to me if you see what I mean. I think that while living in the UK I forgot how bad it can get, and it has really thrown me for a loop. There were other reasons we moved here, though, and we still live a plane ride from my parents, so at least we aren't completely regretting that.

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myroomisatip · 26/11/2012 20:04

I agree that this must be awful for you, but, and I don't intend to be horrible to you here, is this a complete surprise to you? Didn't you have any inkling that things would be this way?

I admit my family is very dysfunctional, so much so that a family meeting would never be possible. So from your reference to a 'family meeting' I assume that this is something that has taken place before?

myroomisatip · 26/11/2012 20:07

Sorry cross posts :)

Well from your recent comments, make the most of your life, and if your father makes thing difficult then cut contact down to a bare minimum! It is his loss.

Bossybritches22 · 26/11/2012 20:17

Cut contact with your father, until he get help with his anger ( could he be ill in other ways? )

See your mother & brother when you can-it will be hard but this is toxic. You deserve better and your DD certainly shouldn't be around such a person.

chinley · 26/11/2012 20:20

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 26/11/2012 20:31

Your father is completely toxic and I am sad for you that this is your version of normal. Not seeing them at Christmas is not an over-reaction: you have a lovely DD and husband to share the holiday with. You do not need the presence of toxic people around, and in fact you should be actively shielding yourself and your child from their influence.

I wouldn't be letting your mother off the hook either. What did she do to protect you and your brother as children from this self-absorbed and violent man?

CaliforniaLeaving · 26/11/2012 20:32

I really feel for you, you move so far to be close and your Dh is wondering if it's all been a big mistake.
I would probably go for Christmas day, no way would I stay at the house for a few days, hotel is the way to go so you can leave if he kicks off again.
I would not want to expose my child to this kind of behavior from my father.

TheDayAfterThanksgiving · 26/11/2012 20:35

We've never had a family meeting before. I wasn't expecting it and really would not have suggested it. I was hoping to just get through the day with minimal contact and no confrontation, which clearly didn't happen.

I would like to see my mother without him but I'm not sure how it will happen. Hopefully something can be worked out.

I do think he needs to see someone about anger management, but I doubt he will. I don't think he is ill- he's always been like this. It is just getting worse as he gets older.

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Blu · 26/11/2012 20:37

Firstly you didn't start this. You reacted to constant criticism from your Dad, you apologised for snapping, he declined to accept your apology, let alone apologise for constantly going on at you.

He sounds toxic and aggressive. And I don't know why you all had to sit down for a family meeting, why didn't your mother just tell her DH he is downright out of order? What on earth did it have to do with anyone else?

I wouldn't have your Dad in the house while he behaves like this, and I wouldn't give your Mum leeway to involve your dd in witnessing the sorting out, either.

I would tell them you will not be going for Christmas, and then invite your Mum to come and stay for a few days. It sounds as if your dad has been allowed to carry on like this, up to your Mum is she puts up with it, and your brother conveniently turns a blind eye because he depends on them, no reason at all why you, your dd and your DH should have to be subject to it.

It might pull them up a bit.

I would definitely cancel Christmas at theirs.

Fluffycloudland77 · 26/11/2012 20:52

This reminds me why I dont see my parents anymore.

In a situation like this the whole family colludes to cover up the behaviour unless one person leaves. In my family it was me.

It's not just your df who needs to change it's your mum too, and I realise you may not want to hear this but she has enabled him to stay in the family and behave this way.

My dad still covers for my mum and vice versa.

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