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I am so confused! What do I do now? (Very long, sorry!)

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BumsyClugger · 23/11/2012 01:44

On Sunday night DP told me he was going to the pub. He didn't leave til 9, and before he left he was trying to do something on his phone and I offered to help. He went all weird and basically snatched the phone away from me and shoved it in his pocket. Then he left.

After about an hour of me getting more and more suspicious, I logged into his Facebook (he had previously told me his password) and found messages to a woman where he had said he was going to her house and that he had "just left" an hour before. I called him. No answer. I left him a message saying what I had seen and that he better answer his phone. Left it ten minutes. Called him again. No answer. Left him a shouty message. Then text him telling him to answer the phone. Called back. Finally he answered.

I told him I knew he was at some womans house, and he denied it, saying he had just left the pub, and kept denying it, even after I said I'd seen the messages and he said he was going to go there but had decided not to and had been walking around for an hour. I didn't believe him so I got off the phone and went on his Facebook and sent a message to the girl asking if "I" could go back. Straightaway got a message saying "Of course you don't need to ask xx"

I called him again and he said he was on his way home. In a fit of rage I pulled all of his clothes out ready to pack up, then decided to read back through all the messages

There were constant messages from Friday to Sunday (the fucking idiot had told her he couldn't text so I wouldn't see the texts Hmm ). He had told her that we were on a break, that he didn't love me and he was living back at his mums. She had said that when she saw him a couple of weeks before (with me!) that she realised how much she still fancied him (they were together four years ago, as i found out later). Then they had arranged for him to go round after her kids were in bed on Saturday, but he cancelled as he was out getting drunk (he was sitting next to me watching tv when he sent those messages). There were messages in there from him saying that "I'm a man with needs. If i want sex, I'll go out and get it" and a couple of flirty messages.

Then she asked why he wanted to meet up with her and he said "to catch up". Her response was "that's partly why i want to see you, and because you're still sexy, and I'm a sucker for your eyes. The fact that I'm horny has absolutely nothing to do with it lol ;-)"

when he got in we had a blazing row where he admitted going round there (obviously) but that it wasn't for sex, they had a cup of tea and talked but that he had already left before i started calling him. He wouldn't let me pack up his stuff and was pleading to stay so he ended up sleeping on the sofa.

The next day my mum took DD out so that we could talk, and we just ended up arguing again as i still didn't believe anything he had said. We had already planned to go out on Monday night, so I agreed to go. Before we left he admitted that the OW had called his phone twice and text him saying she had been waiting around all day for him to call. I got her number and text her telling her that everything he had said was lies, we were still together when he was messaging her. I told her I didn't blame her as she thought he was free. She swore that nothing had happened because he wasn't interested. But did let slip that he was still there when i had called him and had no intention of leaving until that point.

I have no reason to not believe what she said, as she said she had no reason to defend him, he lied to her too.

Tuesday I go snooping again and find a message to a girl a month ago saying that he wished he had ended up with her. And a comment under the same girls picture "Stunning as usual xxx". I know that sounds like nothing, but i think he has told me once in the 2 and a half years we've been together that I so much as looked nice, never mind stunning.

He says he was confused and felt pushed away, and that he doesn't know why he told the first woman that we were on a break (I can only think of one reason a man would do that). He has said sorry, and that he doesn't want to lose me or the baby and that he does love me. He said he carried on lying after I'd caught him because he panicked.

I am sure he hasn't met up with anyone before now as he is a fucking terrible liar and it does seem out of character, but it's fucking ridiculous.

His mum has told him "you're only human, we all make mistakes, move on from it" so now he thinks he's got away with it. Because mummy's word is law.

I, however, think that amount of lies is a fucking monumental mistake.

He's said he will change, and be more affectionate and loving as he hasn't been. And he knows all trust has gone out the window.

I thought I was getting on OK, though the changes don't appear to have started yet. But then tonight, I'm in bed and he's snoring next to me, and everything is whirring around in my mind, and I want to cry, and punch him, and throw him out, and I want a cuddle... Oh I don't know what to do!

I still think that there is something he's not telling me, but I'm not sure what.

He isn't DD's bio dad, but he has been there since i found out I was pregnant (bio dad doesn't want to know, but that's another thread). I don't want DD to have no dad.

Will I feel like this forever if I stay with him? Can I get past it? I have been hurt by every partner I have been with, all bar one cheated, and the bar-one one abused me quite badly. Am I over reacting? Is he sorry? Can he change just that tiny bit? Can our relationship get better?

Please help! I feel like I'm going out of my mind. Sorry about the length Blush TIA.

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SchoolFool · 23/11/2012 10:13

I'm sorry - this sounds hard.. But you know that this isn't right, it probably has happened before and it will certainly happen again.

ClippedPhoenix · 23/11/2012 10:20

He doesn't give a shit OP about you or your child.

You're convenient at the moment. He'll leave once he's found someone else to shack up with.

If I were you I'd do what you initally did - pack up his stuff and tell him to get lost.

Nomorepain · 23/11/2012 10:30

So sad to read your story.

I don't think you will ever be able to trust him again. He broke your trust and ruined your relationship. He made the decision to contact 2 women and pursue sex.

If you stay with him you will constantly be looking over your shoulder and never feel good enough. This will eat into your confidence.

I know it is difficult (I really do) but you and your dd deserve so much more than him. Your dd needs a mummy that can concentrate on her not someone that is preoccupied with whatever her partner is upto. You will become bitter, damaged and depressed if you stay with him. You will constantly have questions and no answer he gives will ever be good enough.

Dig deep, get some confidence and courage and ditch the cheating, dirty bastard. You are so much better than this seedy situation he has put you in.

Good luck xx

NotQuintAtAllOhNo · 23/11/2012 10:36

He does not care about you. He is exploring his options and trying to build a new relationship. The only reason he is still with you is that you blew his chances when you found out about that other woman.

Is this the role model you want as a dad for your daughter?
Is this a relationship you want your daughter to model in future?

Kick him out. It wont get any better.

B1ueberries · 23/11/2012 10:40

@ emmafrost yeah it's shocking the way the family of the deadbeat/asshole/liar/cheater {insert or delete as applicable} put the onus on you to hold the family together............ I've had this from both of my x's parents. They're divorced but have both given me a hundred guilt trips. Well, they've tried. My x's father rang me and told me soon after I left his son and tried to flatter me by telling me I didn't look 37. I was supposed to giggle and say thank you. But I said, well I wouldn't mind if I looked my age. That conversation didn't go according to plan. He then told me that whether I looked it or didn't look it or felt it or not, I was still 37 years old and shouldn't expect to meet somebody else at my age with two young children.

YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP. The letters from his mother - they were another chapter. I should write a book!

BumsyClugger · 23/11/2012 11:12

Thank you for your replies. I think I already knew the answer before I even finished posting. I know exactly what you are all saying. He will think he'll get away with it every time.

He is trying to make it up to me slightly, but how long will that last?

DD is 18 months. It's not fair on her. I very rarely leave her and this week already she has been left twice because of him.

To be fair to his family, his nan has called him daily to tell him what a fucking idiot he is, and that he needs to really work for me to even consider forgiving him. His sister went mental, and said that we are the best thing to ever happen to him and that no girl is worth losing us over. They think the world of me and love DD as if she was their blood. It's just his mother. In her eyes he can do no wrong, and he values her opinion above the others.

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NotQuintAtAllOhNo · 23/11/2012 11:15

His family dont matter.

You cant stay with him just because his sister went mental, and his nan dotes on your dd.

She is 18 months! She will forget him easily.

And he clearly dotes on neither of you.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 23/11/2012 11:15

He is trying to make it up to me slightly

That's dammingly little that he is doing then Sad

What will you do now?

Cantbelieveitsnotbutter · 23/11/2012 11:19

Shamelessly stolen from the 'help' post. This is quite possibly the best bit of advice I've ever seen. And I hope noone minds me quoting it;

"needsomeperspective Sun 04-Nov-12 07:18:03
If you act like a doormat then he probably will!!!

Please please read this and take it to heart. The single best and probably only way you are going to get your marriage back (if you even want to) is by immediately putting your foot down, showing fury, outrage and strength. Throw him out. State calmly and with utter finality that you do not wish to look at him, speak to him or deal with him at the present time. That you need to put yourself and the baby and your other children first. That he is not welcome in your home and is not to contact you for any reason. That you will contact him to discuss practicalities as and when you deem it fit. Then cut him off. And also DO NOT contact your so called friend for any reason.

This is the only way you can take control back and shock him into a realization of what he has done. Tell his parents, friends and family the situation and request their assistance with the children and practical support. It is likely when this is brought to light as the tawdry sickening betrayal is it the gloss will very rapidly go off this new "love story".

Within a few days he will very swiftly be faced with the horrible reality of what he has done and will likely become terrified that he is going to lose everything. This is the point where they usually come creeping back trying to ensnare you. And YOU get to set the ground rules for any attempt at reconciliation.

Of course by that point you may have decided you're better off without this lying cheating bastard in your life.

Do NOT please under any circumstances beg, sob, attempt to get him to come home, leave the OW or cover up the affair for him. This is the guaranteed way to make him pity you and see you as pathetic and totally undesirable. He is not the "best friend" you thought you had right now. You can't awaken his love again by bringing up happy memories. You can't cry him into wanting you back. Your only hope is to be strong and throw him as far out of your life as you can. Then he MIGHT just wake up.

Please think about what I've said.

If I had taken that advice my life may have been very different. And at least I wouldn't have the lasting regret and humiliation of begging pleading and being treated like shit for 2 years while he faffed and tried to decide if I was worthy of his magnificence."

dequoisagitil · 23/11/2012 11:21

How do you make up slightly for going round to someone else's house for a shag?

I'm sorry, lovely, but a man who thinks his mum saying "oh, everyone's makes mistakes" is sufficient reason for you to forgive him for seeking sex elsewhere? It's just bizarre.

BumsyClugger · 23/11/2012 11:25

No I know, I'm just saying that not all his family are as unhinged as his mother.

I know it's really not enough. He has said I can check his phone and Facebook whenever I want but I shouldn't have to.

I don't know what I will do yet, but I am veering towards the kicking him out on his arse side of things.

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PeppermintPasty · 23/11/2012 11:28

You could be saddled with this shitty lying scumbag excuse of a man for the rest of your life. So could your daughter. He will let you both down time and again. From your posts there seems to be absolutely nothing to redeem him.

My heart lifted for you a bit when I read your daughter's age-she will not remember this hideous example of a human if you get rid now, but she will if he gets away with this.

YOU deserve to be treated better than this. Please remember that.

BumsyClugger · 23/11/2012 11:32

Sorry he is trying to make it up by doing more around the house, spending more time with us and helping with DD more. But like I said, I doubt it will last.

One thing I am proud of is that he has seen me raging and seen me indifferent, but he has not seen me cry over him. I will not give him the satisfaction.

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Nomorepain · 23/11/2012 11:32

Staying with him will destroy you. You will constantly waiting for him to do it again. You haven't been together very long and he is already doing this. It will not get better. Your dd will not remember him. His family are HIS family - not yours. They don't agree with what he is doing but cant stop him and when it comes to it they always be there for him, not you.

I have learnt this the hard way. Quit now whilst you have still got some self respect. Sorry but this will not be fixed. Try as you might you will never find a plaster sticky enough to keep it all together.

dequoisagitil · 23/11/2012 11:43

I stuck with a guy like this for years. Believe me, it doesn't get better. If I could go back, I'd give myself a good talking to and make me leave the bastard Smile. Honestly, the pain - and the cycle where he would cheat or nearly cheat and I'd catch him and we'd make promises and try to rebuild - I'll never get those years back..

NotQuintAtAllOhNo · 23/11/2012 11:46

He might not be able to do better than you.

But you may for sure be able to find better than him!

Dont be content with scraping the bottom of the barrel.

izzyizin · 23/11/2012 11:50

Of course he values his dm's opinion above all others - she tells him what he wants to hear.

Kick the lying turd out and wait to see if the experience causes him to grow up - but don't hold your breath on that one because once a liar, always a liar.

CremeEggThief · 23/11/2012 11:57

You have to leave him. It won't be easy and you may even regret it at times,but what have you got left once the trust has gone?

I am so sorry he did this to you and your DD.

DinosaursOnAnAdventCalender · 23/11/2012 12:01

If you stay with him it could end up destroying you Don't become the person that needs to check his phone and his Facebook, the person that wakes up at 3am because she knows she can get to the phone whilst he's asleep. That checks the Internet history. That questions every look he gives you. That over analyses every word that comes out of his mouth. That starts to think the slight sick feeling in your stomach is normal. That minimises it in your head just to be able to function every day. Don't become the person I was, it will ruin you.

B1ueberries · 23/11/2012 12:18

Listen to these posters.... I left when dc2 was 15 months. Best thing is to leave when they're young. My dc2 needed me. he wasn't shy around his father but he didn't miss him. There were no questions. He didn't feel rejected Leave this muddle for another 12-15 months and it will all be so much more complicated for everybody. I agree that you can't stay with him because his grandma dotes on your daughter, or because his sister realises he is in the wrong here.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 31/03/2014 17:21

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 31/03/2014 17:22

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