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We can't seem to talk about money, I have no idea what's going on with our money, and he just can't talk abut it

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wheresmyslippers · 29/10/2012 16:50

Hi, I post now and then and I'm going to try and not give out too much detail so I don't out myself.

I seem to be having some money troubles in my marrage. Sorry this is long!

Myself and my husband both worked full time untill we had a baby. I then took maternity leave, and then left my job after doing the three months needed to keep my maternity money. We did this as we both agreed we didn't want to use childcare. He remains in full time work. We have a joint account that we pay all the bills etc from. Anything left was then our own money, and this joint account remains.

While raising our child I have also worked from home running my own busness. I saved up some money before I went in leave so I could continue to pay into the bills account and pay my way while on maternity, and once I left work.

I still pay into the bills account, it's not much but it's something, and I also pay myself a small allowance from the money I make from my small business. I don't take any money from my husband for myself. I have just managed to cover this from my business, I don't make any extra money or save any money.

My husband pays everything else, including all the bills and the mortgage. Any money left from his wage is then for him to pay for work related expenses such as lunch and petrol, and of course his own monthly allowance. Without going into facts and figures he gets around 3 x as much money as me to spend on himself, once he has paid for work related expenses.

My husband also has a sideline business which he uses to pay into the joint account too. This money is what mostly covers what I don't pay in anymore. I don't have any sight of this account, but I understand that we only take half the profit from this account every month to cover what I don't earn anymore. It also covers the difference in our mortgage when we moved house after I had left work, but we did agree this is where the extra money would come from.

Recently my husband has been worried about money, and he finds it hard to talk about it though. He sometimes tells me that he can't keep taking money from his sideline business to cover what I don't pay, and asks when I will make enough money to pay what I should be into the joint account again. I have explained how hard it is to work and raise a child, and that I need our child to be in school before I can earn proper money again.

He has also said that he has been taking extra money for himself from the sideline business, and he can't keep doing this anymore. He says this is to pay for things that the house needs, that I want. But I don't ask for anything, I even buy all our child's clothes and pay for his pre school fees.

Recently we were given some money by his family, and I made a spreadsheet to manage what we spent it on. This is what we have actually used for house things, and when I tot it up we have spent a third of the money. But he has told me that there is only a tenth of it left. He refuses to help me go through the spreahsheet and workout where it has gone, says he feels anxious about it and its like I am accusing him of wasting money.

I don't know how to get a handle on things. I am super carefull with my money and spend very little, my husband does buy himself nice things, but he always seems to need them for work or something.

I only have sight of my own account and the joint. I can't see his, or the sideline business account.

He makes me feel worried about bringing up money with him, to the extent that when the tumble drier recently broke I was very worried about telling him and his reaction.

He also makes me feel bad for not working a full time job anymore, and that it's my fault we can't eat out as much as we used to or have everything we want. It makes me feel a bit worthless really. I think this is made worse when he buys himself something nice and fancy, and has nice lunches out, and I'm living on very little (although we have a lovely home with nice things like a new kitchen, so that makes it hard to feel hard done by). He seems to have more of a go at me for not earning much when I manage to save enough of my allowance to go out for dinner with my friends, which is rare, like I shouldn't have enough for these things as I don't earn as much as him, or that if I can afford things like that then I should pay more into the joint account so he can keep more in his sideline business, or have more spare money himself.

What can I do? Is our setup normal? How do other married couples with kids balance the books together? It's all starting to get me down and I feel we need to get it sorted. I'm just looking for some sympathy and good advice please.

Reading that back that's a massive post, so thanks for reading!

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wheresmyslippers · 12/11/2012 09:17

Hi everyone, just thought I wold update you all on what happened with this whole money malarkey. In the end I got upset and told him how I felt, that not being involved in the family finances made me feel small and unimportant. We talked for a while about the whole thing and he apologised and said he never wanted me to feel like that, but that he could see how his behaviour has resulted in my feelings.

The next day he was upset though, and told me he was under too much pressure, and he just can't cope with it. I tried to discuss ways to take the pressure off, but he was just despondent about everything. He said he knows he is no fun to live with, and he's not been the same person he used to be for the last few years. I didn't disagree, just listened. He mentioned some major life goals that we have, and how much he worries about achieving them. I tried to talk to him about how it was good to have goals, but it wasn't worth it if your life was rubbish every day until you achieved them. He questioned the point of it all if there wasn't a goal. Later on in the day he apologised for being a bit wonky emotionally.

So he knows how i feel, and it seems what I said made him very fed up and despondent about life in general. Not much has changed on the money front, but he has agreed to be more open abut it and for money decisions to be joint discussions.

We have had some nice weekends since we have had these discussions, where he has been generally nicer to live with, and even been better with our child and picking up some of the jobs I normally do.

So maybe we are getting there....

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wheresmyslippers · 12/11/2012 09:20

Oh and sminkopinko, what you have described is often how things are here, I am generally a happy person who can take pleasure in the simple things like a walk down the lane with our kiddy, he on the other hand is grumpy and tends to rate his life on what he owns and when he last had an expensive holiday!

He wouldn't be happy with more childcare responsibilities, think he needs time to himself more than I do.

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LisaMed · 12/11/2012 09:58

Net result - you are making more of a fuss of him and you still don't know about money?

How much is he fussing over you because you have been upset?

olgaga · 12/11/2012 11:45

It's completely unacceptable to hide financial activity from you like this.

Have you had any discussion about what happens in the event of either of you dying? Take a look at this link for the "Death happens - plan for it" checklist. It's a very good excuse (not that you actually need one) for introducing some openness about your family finances.
www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/

If you can't have a proper discussion about practical things like finance, how can there be mutual trust? I wonder how long you can keep a relationship going in those circumstances.

I think your idea to make this about present and future spending, rather than the past, is a good one. It does sound to me as though he expects to carry on as before even though you are now parents. That's unrealistic.

You might also remind him of how much it would cost to buy in the work you do!

Cahoots · 12/11/2012 12:35

Mmm I would still want to know all the financial details. It is good you are talking but you need tube careful not to get sidelined. You need to get back to the bare facts, work out what the problems are and then address them. Lots of problems or issues can be sorted out with money but as you do not know what your financial situation is you can't know what to do.

How about suggesting saving up for a holiday somewhere that your DH would love to go. This would need you to examine your finances, work out a saving plan and a budget with the reward of a holiday to look forward to. (or something along these lines).
I hope everything works out OK

CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/11/2012 12:39

Sorry but you're simply being placated. It is the oldest trick in the book, when backed into a corner, to present this as a personal attack and resort to a sob story. So, instead of the information you want on bank statements, income and so forth - which is perfectly normal and reasonable in a relationship based on equality and openness - you're being deflected into feeling sorry for him. He looks after his own child Hmm for a change, makes empty promises and he's succeeded in kicking this very awkward can down the road.

Judge him by his actions and not this game-playing 'feel sorry for me' crap. He is not being honest.

blueshoes · 12/11/2012 12:42

Agree with Cognito. Your dh is changing the subject and deflecting the issue.

He has not addressed your concerns.

FairPhyllis · 12/11/2012 12:44

So you still didn't get to see the money details? He is deflecting you.

Something is very wrong here - either gambling, or debt, or financial abuse.

expatinscotland · 12/11/2012 12:46

I would not be happy with this.

Darkesteyes · 12/11/2012 15:36

Agree with Cognitio totally. You ARE being placated. He is definately hiding a habit from you or financially abusing you.

Darkesteyes · 12/11/2012 15:38

He wouldn't be happy with more childcare responsibilities, think he needs time to himself more than I do

In which case he should have thought of that before agreeing to have a child.
He doesnt want an equal partner. He wants a Stepford wife.

CheeseandPickledOnion · 12/11/2012 17:30

So you still haven't really addressed the initial issue? You still don't really know what your finances are?

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