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DH Walked out last night

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jellybrain · 22/10/2012 10:57

Just need to off load. Thanks x

Things haven't been great for a long time. I don't know how I feel angry? sad? both?

2 Dses(12 and15) are aware that he has gone somewhere but, I am unable to tell them when or if he will be back. DS2 is really upset, asked if it was his fault. I have assured him it absolutely isn't. DS1 is 15 and HFA/Aspergers he just acknowledged what I said and was extremely agitated this morning, I ended up driving him to school as he was so late, he normally walks. DD is 7 she only knows that Daddy has gone out, I told her that he will be back later when she gets back from school, I don't know if he will. He has taken his passport and driving licence.

Just to add to the mix my mother in law lives here too, I am struggling to cope with her. A few gems so far have included "I can't look after the children, I am too old for that now". I haven't asked her to! And the best one this morning when told I still didn't know where he was,(his mobile is off besides which he only ever switches it on if he wants to call some one and therefore I have only left one message ) "I can't wash my hands of him". I raised my voice to her for the 1st time in 20 years. And she won't go anywhere today in case he calls.

Will someone come and hold my hand while I work out how to support my kids, hold down my job and find somewhere for us all to live.

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olgaga · 22/10/2012 13:45

You might find this useful background reading in advance of the appointment with the solicitor:

Relationship Breakdown and Divorce ? Advice and Links

It is useful if you can get to grips with the language of family law and procedure, and get an understanding of your rights, BEFORE you see a solicitor. If you are well prepared you will save time and money.

Children

If there are children involved, their welfare, needs and interests are paramount. Parents have responsibilities, not rights, in this regard. Shared residence means both parties having an equal interest in the upbringing of the children. It does not mean equal (50/50) parenting time - children are not possessions to be ?fairly? divided between separating parents.

A divorce will not be granted where children are involved unless there are agreed arrangements for finance, and care of the children (?Statement of Arrangements for Children?). It is obviously quicker and cheaper if this can be agreed but if there is no agreement, the Court will make an Order - ?Residence and Contact? regarding children, ?Financial Order? or ?Ancillary Relief? in the case of Finance. Information and links to these can be found in the Directgov link below. Residence and Contact Orders are likely to be renamed Child Arrangements Orders in future.

Always see a specialist family lawyer!

Get word of mouth recommendations for family lawyers in your area if possible. If you have children at school, ask mums you are friendly with if they know of anyone who can make a recommendation in your area. These days there are few people who don?t know of anyone who has been through a divorce or separation ? there?s a lot of knowledge and support out there!

Many family lawyers will offer the first half hour consultation free. Make use of this. Don?t just stick with the first lawyer you find ? shop around and find someone you feel comfortable with. You may be in for a long haul, so it helps if you can find a solicitor you?re happy with.

If you can?t find any local recommendations, always see a solicitor who specialises in Family Law.

You can also find out about Legal Aid and get advice on the Community Legal Advice Helpline on 08345 345 4 345
www.direct.gov.uk/en/Dl1/Directories/UsefulContactsByCategory/Governmentcitizensandrightscontacts/DG_195356

Or search in your area for Community Legal Advisors:
legaladviserfinder.justice.gov.uk/AdviserSearch.do

Co-operative Legal Services offer DIY/Self-Help Divorce packages, as well as a Managed Divorce service. Their fee structure is more transparent and they have a telephone advice line as well as offering really good advice on their website:
www.co-operative.coop/legalservices/family-and-relationships/

You can read advice and search by area for a family lawyer here:
www.resolution.org.uk/

You will also read good advice and find a family lawyer here:
www.divorceaid.co.uk/

Some family law solicitors publish online feedback from clients ? Google solicitors to see if you can find any recommendations or feedback.

Mediation

You will be encouraged to attend mediation. This can help by encouraging discussion about arrangements for children and finance in a structured way in a neutral setting. However, it only works if both parties are willing to reach agreement.

If there has been violence or emotional abuse, discuss this with your solicitor first. Always get legal advice, or at the very least make sure you are aware of your legal rights, before you begin mediation. This is important because while a Mediator should have knowledge of family law, and will often explain family law, they are not there to give tailored legal advice to either party - so it?s important to have that first.

Married or Living Together?

This is a key question, because if you are married, generally speaking you have greater protection when a relationship breaks down.

Legal Issues around marriage/cohabitation and relationship breakdown are explained here:
www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/relationships_e/relationships_living_together_marriage_and_civil_partnership_e/living_together_and_marriage_legal_differences.htm#Ending_a_relationship

www.advicenow.org.uk/living-together/

DirectGov advice on divorce, separation and relationship breakdown:
www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Divorceseparationandrelationshipbreakdown/index.htm

Legal Rights and issues around contact are further explained here:
www.rightsofwomen.org.uk/legal.php#children_relationship_breakdown
www.maypole.org.uk/

I found these guides from law firms quite informative and easy to read ? there are others of course:

www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/uploaded/documents/Surviving-Family-Conflict-and-Divorce---2nd-edition.pdf

www.terry.co.uk/hindex.html

Finance

Before you see a family law solicitor, get hold of every single piece of financial information you have access to, and take copies or make notes. Wage slips, P60s, tax returns, employment contracts, pensions and other statements ? savings, current account and mortgages, deeds, rental leases, utility bills, council tax bills, credit statements. Are there joint assets such as a home, pensions, savings, shares?

If you have no access to financial information, or you are aware that assets are being hidden from you, then obviously you will not be able to reach agreement on finances. If there are children, as you cannot divorce without adequate arrangements being agreed on finance and children, you will have to apply for a financial order anyway. If there are no children, and you are unable to agree on finances, you will also have to apply for a financial order (follow the Direct.gov links below). This seeks financial information from both parties going back 12 months. So it is in your interests to act quickly once you have made the decision to divorce.

If you are married, the main considerations of the Family Courts where parties are unable to agree a settlement are (in no particular order of priority):

1.The welfare of any minor children from the marriage.
2.The value of jointly and individually owned property and other assets and the financial needs, obligation and responsibilities of each party.
3.Any debts or liabilities of the parties.
4.Pension arrangements for each of the parties, including future pension values and any value to each of the parties of any benefit they may lose as a result of the divorce.
5.The earnings and earning potential of each of the parties.
6.Standard of living enjoyed during the marriage.
7.The age of the parties and duration of the marriage.
8.Any physical or mental disability of either of the parties.
9.Contributions that each party may have made to the marriage, either financially or by looking after the house and/or caring for the family.

CSA maintenance calculator:
www.csacalculator.dsdni.gov.uk/calc.asp

Handy tax credits calculator:
www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/payments-entitlement/entitlement/question-how-much.htm#7

Handy 5 Minute benefit check, tax and housing benefit calculators:
www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/

CAB Benefits Check:
www.citizensadvice.co.uk/getadvice/benefit-calculator/A2B-Benefit-Calculator/#730

Parenting issues:
www.familylives.org.uk
www.theparentconnection.org.uk

Other Support for Women ? Children, Housing, Domestic Violence
www.womensaid.org.uk/ and refuge.org.uk/ - Helpline 0808 2000 247
www.ncdv.org.uk/ - Helpline 0844 8044 999
www.gingerbread.org.uk/ - Helpline 0808 802 0925
Housing www.england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/families_and_relationships/relationship_breakdown
(Note that there is usually an appropriate link on these websites for England, Wales and Scotland where the law, advice and contact information may differ.

jellybrain · 22/10/2012 14:34

Olgaga. Your post is amazing thanks so much for taking so much time and trouble. I will look at some of these links tonight, need to do school pick up in a minute. Will definitely try and make a list of qs for the solicitor.Thanks

ThanksThanks to everyone else who has posted it has really helped me get through today. Off now to slap on a presentable face before I pick up DD, I am not a pretty sight at the moment.

FWIW he came in about an hour ago but went straight upstairs without saying anything. Only noticed cos the dog went bonkers.

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MadAboutHotChoc · 22/10/2012 14:40

Is he still there?

Hope the school run went well x

worldgonecrazy · 22/10/2012 14:44

A word of warning - banks may say they need two signatures, but I know that I've withdrawn money from a joint account with just one signature (worryingly an account that actually required three signatures!). I also know that my MiL had money stolen by her ex-husband. He simply scribbled a signature and it wasn't checked by the teller. Sadly she didn't want the hassle of suing his arse off so he got away with it.

OneMoreChap · 22/10/2012 15:25

So, I have a quick read and what do I see;

We did have a row but, it was by no means the worst we have had.

We don't [pay rent but contribute to expenses and household bills

I challenged the way he had handlled a situation with DS2, I felt that he had been too harsh and said that perhaps he needed to rethink the way he reacted to his behaviour

I suggested that we could have handled it differently and that he should have left it with me as we had agreed

I accused him of being a bully.

It was suggested that I go after him, I refused saying that I had to put the children

He has threatened to go a number of times. On the last occaision I called his bluff and said that if he was going to go he should do so and not keep issuing empty threats.

Sounds a very difficult situation for both of you, living in his mum's house.
Can't be much fun for either of you.

Further reading the OP

His reply was... I was incapable of ensuring good behaviour
[I was...] a waste of space
he became angry saying again that it was my fault
He told me that I needed to go as the house belongs to his family and I have no right to be here if we separate.

Yes, he seems bitter, too.
He'll have to pay support for the children if/when you separate.
Good luck staying in his mum's house, see what the solicitor says, but I suspect you'll end up having to move. At least you have a clear view of your assets.

As olgaga 's links suggest there's no guarantee of residence, so it depends what's best for the children; will you be able to find somewhere close to your job - at least you're working, so that will make some of the transition easier.

jellybrain · 22/10/2012 20:15

Onemore chap dh left his job In march of this year because he could n't stand it anymore, I work fulltime hours but do some time from home. Does this mean he is more likely to get residency? I couldn't live like that.

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olgaga · 22/10/2012 23:25

jellybrain no it doesn't mean that at all. Please don't be worried by the comment above. The information in my post doesn't imply anything of the sort. All cases are considered on their own merits.

Bear in mind that some people on here make silly throwaway comments, not based on any kind of reality, without realising the hurt and fear they can cause. Or maybe they do realise - even worse. Either way, they are best ignored.

PM me if you would like to discuss this on a more personal basis.

OneMoreChap · 22/10/2012 23:59

olgaga that directed at me?

Parents have responsibilities, not rights, in this regard. Shared residence means both parties having an equal interest in the upbringing of the children. It does not mean equal (50/50) parenting time - children are not possessions to be ?fairly? divided between separating parents.

What does that mean, then?

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