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Grass is always greener...

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dippingatoe · 22/10/2012 02:25

First time poster so please be gentle...

I've just turned 50 and have been married to my wife for twenty years (together for ten years before that). So essentially that's been it for me in relationship terms. Had a few teenage GFs but that seems like a lifetime ago.

We've had our ups and downs in our relationship over the years but basically over the last two decades it's been the children that have been the focus of everything. They are now 15 and 13 and I couldn't be prouder of the pair of them. Obviously they aren't perfect, but they're bright and they're interesting and increasingly they're good company. So, having paid off most of the mortgage - a struggle over the past few years - I'd thought that we could move on to the next stage of our lives.

Which is where life came along with other ideas. My wife had been unhappy in her career for a long time. She'd joined the Civil Service straight from Uni and stuck at it for the best part of twenty years but was increasingly frustrated. In her early 40s she quit and started her own business, which made her happier but hasn't been a great success in financial terms. I've tried to be supportive about this but I've always worried about the money side of things. My earnings aren't great, but they are often all we have coming in over the month.

Then, a few years ago she became increasingly secretive about her activities. She was edgy when I talked to her and seemed to spend a lot of time on the computer late at night. Of course, because of the business I didn't think too much of it. She was also seeing a counsellor at the time because she was depressed.

This all culminated in a letter that she wrote to me about five years ago in which she came out to me as bisexual or lesbian. She'd registered on Gaydar and had been chatting online to people in similar situations. At this time there was no intention to do anything about it - she still loved me and the children and wanted to stay with us.

Rolling on to today now...

You can probably guess what's happened since. We've struggled on with the children, if anything, getting even more attention - because dealing with our own problems is (1) too painful and (2) impossible to find the time to do. But now my wife has decided she needs to move out and have some time on her own. I have no idea whether she should do this. She still sees the children as her priority, but in reality her business seems to be taking more and more time just to stand still. And I don't really see how there will be any time for her to explore her sexuality issues.

My feelings? Err, complicated would sum them up. Surprised? Obviously not really, it's been coming for a long time, I guess. But the shock i had when she made her announcement (the day before my 50th birthday) was still considerable. I couldn't actually believe how much it hurts physically.

Do I want her to stay? Yes - for me certainly, but I'm also not sure it's going to work out well for her. I don't know how the children will react and I don't want her to regret damaging any relationship with them.

Sex? It's not really the biggest issue. Obviously there's the male thing going on - as I say she's the only person I've ever had a sexual relationship with and the perceived rejection is a fairly fundamental one. But the worst thing is that loss of intimacy - which went many years ago. I think we could have a future and my life has been better for her presence (I still love her) but she's now quite distant and struggles to talk to me, seeing everything as a criticism (which, of course, it does become after a while - because that's the way to get a response).

That'll do for now - not an original story, I guess.

Grass is greener - well, I just think that she thinks that leaving the family home will solve all of her problems. I think it's going to be far more complicated than that.

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izzyizin · 22/10/2012 02:40

I suspect you're right in supposing that leaving the family home won't be the answer to your dw's problems but, nevertheless, I think you should let her go without recriminaton.

Presumably the dc will stay in the family home with you and, that being the case, you are best advised to source a solicitor who specialises in divorce and family law and who offers a free half an hour initial consultation with a view to establishing your entitlements in law such as child support from your wife and remaining in the marital home until the youngest dc is 18 so as to give the dc stability during their young teenage years and to preclude the marital home having to be sold to fund 2 separate establishments now.

After some initial excitement about venturing off on a journey of discovery into her sexual orientation, I suspect your dw will find it tough out there but that's her choice.

Mayisout · 22/10/2012 03:04

You are bound to be distressed at your wife deciding to move on (to new pastures better suited to her? who knows?).

Also it will be difficult explaining to the DCs. But I would do that as best you can and not make a pretence of anything, better they know what is happening than be left imagining the worst of a confused situation. And allow them anger and upset over the changes.(I was brought up in a household where DCs weren't informed as they 'were fine' despite the underlying turmoil - in fact we needed desperately to be able to talk about the problems but weren't given the opportunity).

But I think your apprehension about a new relationship is a big issue for you now, and the fact that your wife is the only person you have been intimate with is, understandably causing nervousness. Gosh there is so much online dating available, or even the chance to post in the local paper to find a new partner. You need to take the bull by the horns and start making cautious moves in that direction. You sound as if you have been lonely too long. If you have fears about your sex life speak to your GP. Everything is fixable these days.

smileyforest · 22/10/2012 05:13

Gosh I feel for you....but you deserve happiness...we all do and at your age and beyond...it can be found. I think you need to let DW go...staying will make the whole home tense and miserable....The children will come through as they will have you as 'stability' and 'their' home. Emotionally it is hard....upsetting without doubt....but you can and will survive and move on....good luck ....

CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/10/2012 05:58

Leaving the family home may not solve anything but staying sounds like it will only prolong the misery. If her realisation that she is gay has existed for at least five years already, it doesn't sound like a decision that has been rushed. I don't think you have much of a choice in the matter & I think you've known it's been over for a while which is why it it hurts so much. All that is left really, is to part on as good terms as possible, be fair about finances/property and give the children as much stability as possible.

You may not realise this now but I think you'll be losing a millstone and gaining a life. Good luck

Offred · 22/10/2012 08:28

Agree with you it will be more complicated and totally agree with cog's post.

I'm sorry this is happening to you and I agree you have to let her go. I can say that being bisexual shouldn't make cheating ok and isn't about wanting to have lots of sex with men and women. To me it is just being sexually attracted to a person immaterial of their gender and just as with heterosexual monogamy, it is expected that you will have attractions and not act on them, being attracted to someone of the same gender does not make it ok to act on and is pretty offensive to gay/bisexual people really if you think about it because it states homosexual sex is not as important as heterosexual sex so please do not try and tolerate her inexcusable looking outside the relationship before she spoke to you about her feelings.

I suspect she may really be thinking she is gay rather than bisexual though which must be a frightening thing to recognise about yourself quite late in life. She is quite brave to confront it and to leave but it is a shame she dragged you along unhappily for five years and I think this is very unkind of her. I suppose overall I think don't feel equally like your whole relationship was a lie, because it most likely wasn't, and that you have to tolerate things because what she was doing was going after other women. She should have spoken to you earlier, she should have left earlier and she shouldn't have been looking for extra-marital relationships.

Helltotheno · 22/10/2012 10:01

you'll be losing a millstone and gaining a life
That's such a nice way of putting it Cogito :)

And so true. Make some changes in your life OP and let the missus go off and experiment to her heart's content. You still have a life ahead of you with (I'm pretty sure), new relationships in it and you should grab those opportunities with both hands. I agree about getting legal advice. Really if your wife wants to go off and live a different life, she should just do that.

If you try and remain amicable and stay honest and open with the children, they'll be fine.

dippingatoe · 22/10/2012 10:08

Thanks for your responses everybody. The other thing that I feel really oddly about is the range of emotions that I'm going through at the moment. I don't generally do emotions but I've felt guilty, angry, confused, bitter - all of which I can understand - but also relief and joy? And I've enjoyed the children's company a lot more over the last couple of weeks. I'm sure that psychologically I'm already starting to move on and when I say that I still love my wife I think it probably now means that I care what happens to her. But that doesn't take away the pain, does it?

Offred - agree with you about lesbian/bisexual desires. OH (see I can use the abbreviations) is in a really horrible situation. I'm just uncertain how the future will pan out. Yes, the sex/intimacy situation is scary but it wasn't going to get any easier in the current situation.

Just feeling a bit uncertain and tearful about it all.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/10/2012 10:28

If you feel relief and joy in the middle of all this it's because you lost the intimacy many years ago and you've been 'settling' ever since for something which hasn't made you happy. More recently you say she struggles to talk to you and treats everything as a criticism. That kind of atmosphere destroys your self-esteem if it goes on long enough. You didn't think you deserved better and you still don't.

It's why I describe her as a 'millstone'.... for at least five year she's clearly stuck around, falsely keeping your hopes up but withdrawing any intimacy, allowing the children to get more self-sufficient perhaps and, now that she's decided she can't keep up the pretence any more, she's turned on you. That's a very cruel situation to put someone in and, now that it's over, I'm not surprised you feel a sense of release.... freedom.

You're actually lucky. Some people are condemned to spend the rest of their life being tolerated by someone who doesn't really like them. You get to make a fresh start. Good luck and make the most of it.

dippingatoe · 22/10/2012 13:18

Thanks Cogito. Still feels rubbish most of the time. And I feel pretty furious about the situation. I guess the relief is in realising I've done as much as I can to try and make this work but I now recognise it's a waste of time trying to apportion blame. Time to dust off those Carpenters and Joan Armatrading records, I guess. Sad

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Offred · 22/10/2012 13:33

Sad but you will get through it, it is a good sign for you if you are feeling some relief and have a healthy attitude towards the whole thing.

DuelingFanjo · 22/10/2012 13:36

"But now my wife has decided she needs to move out and have some time on her own. I have no idea whether she should do this"

she should go.
It will, painful as it will be, give you a chance to move on.

dippingatoe · 23/10/2012 12:43

This can be a bit like picking at a scab that's starting to heal over, but I still need to get some more of this clearer in my mind. Apologies for the list format because I know it's all interconnected but it helps me! And they are not in any order of significance:

1 Children - I'm guessing there's no one right way of handling this but there are lots of wrong ways, right? I would say they are fairly resilient and self-confident - and just as importantly they have a very strong bond with one another. I'm hoping it's going to be better for them in the long run than living with the low-level sniping between mum and dad that they have to deal with at the moment. We don't do blazing rows, we tend to niggle.

2 OH - very strange things happening here. I seem to be moving on from her. If this is that sense of freedom, it's something I've been missing for a long time. On the other hand OH is looking really terrible at the moment - I think she's very unhappy about everything that's going on. So my issue is: how do I deal with this? I don't want her to jeopardise her relationship with the children, but I'm not going to invest all of my emotional energy in it. Made that mistake too many times before.

3 Moving on - don't think I'm looking to get involved seriously for the foreseeable future. Only child and then straight into a long-term relationship which breaks up after 30 years - I think I just need a bit of time to myself (and the kids). Still, 50, balding and low self-esteem - what's not to like?!

Have a good week everybody Thanks

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/10/2012 13:11

"I think she's very unhappy about everything that's going on. So my issue is: how do I deal with this?"

From a safe distance is how. It's not uncommon for exes to have fits of remorse post the decision to leave. It's incredibly selfish, I think, to turn everyone else's life upside down but then go around like a wet flannel expecting others to sympathise. You've wasted many good years already being dangled on a string waiting for her to make up her mind, trying (and failing) to make her happy. So, tempting though it is to carry on in the same vein because she's looking so unhappy, I would caution you against it because it's simply a continuation of the same emotional punishment. Wish her well as you close the door behind her.... She has left the family home, hasn't she?

"I'm hoping it's going to be better for them in the long run than living with the low-level sniping between mum and dad that they have to deal with at the moment"

As someone whose parents didn't separate but have instead subjected them to a full 47 years of low-level sniping I can tell you that anything is better than that. As for the future... the nice thing about it is that it isn't forseeable. You never really know what's around the corner. Anything could and probably will happen :)

dippingatoe · 24/10/2012 16:46

OK, so OH is now moving out over the next couple of weeks. Still managing to maintain emotional distance - and feeling so far a lot calmer about everything. One day at a time, eh?!

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struwelpeter · 24/10/2012 16:57

You seem calm and resigned, which is fine. It will be difficult to second guess the children's reactions - they are at the age when anything can be expected. One thing that people often suggest on here is to do something to the house or bedroom to mark a change ie move furniture around, or do something that you've always wanted to do but haven't because of marriage/children. Perhaps there is something you and the kids want to do together?

Mayisout · 24/10/2012 18:57

Are there online chat rooms where the DCs could find support? I think they could do with somewhere to vent/ ask questions eg a counsellor, otherwise they won't want to fan the flames by letting rip to you or their DM, which means they are suppressing their fears/ worries .

Perhaps there is a counsellor at the school.

Agree with struwelpeter make some nice plans and changes.

50shadesofgreyhair · 25/10/2012 02:31

I think you'll be fine, I really do.

As far as the kids, well ex and I split last year, after 22 years of marriage and four teenagers, because his grass too was going to be so much greener...

Be as honest as you can with the kids, they often know a lot more than we give them credit for. Pre-split, I thought ex and I papered over the cracks pretty well and looked to the world like a happy couple. It worked for family and friends, but not the kids - they lived in an unhappy home - they had friends in happy homes, and could see the difference.

Most importantly, tell them repeatedly that you both love them and that you will both be there for them, and this will never change.

Tell their school - pastoral care - just so they know what to expect if behaviour/moods change. You can also access counselling for them if need be via schools.

I would suggest telling the kids together - so that they straight away link the news with you both as a couple - i.e. their parents. My kids never got over ex walking out without saying goodbye. I lost the last remnants of any respect I had for him when he did this, and it caused bitterness and more hurt at a painful time.

Be selfish! I know that sounds odd, but she's made her decision, and whilst she thinks her grass will be greener, like thousands before her, she'll probably find it full of weeds and rubbish, and want to run back. So focus on how you feel and detach from her and her decisions. If you are ok, and the kids see you as being ok, they will be.

Good luck.

Abitwobblynow · 25/10/2012 09:39

Wishing you all the best too. As long as you don't stuff the sense of grief and loss and sadness and work it all through, the fact that you are a palpably kind and caring man means that there are lots of people out there who look beyond looks and flash, and really enjoy getting to know you!

dippingatoe · 25/10/2012 14:58

One day further on. OH is away from home on business tonight so just me and the kids. Too drained to cook anything so it's takeway and an evening of crap telly for us. Looking forward to it! Wine

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cleef15 · 25/10/2012 21:52

I can't comment on how to deal with your other half leaving as mine has recently left and I've not dealt with it very well. However I have found that booking some treats ie me and my children have been to the theatre, a few days away in a cheap mobile home has been fun and going to the pub with my kids for a meal has just helped me get even closer to my children and we have had a lovely time. Good luck and see this as a chance to really get to spend quality time with your children.

dippingatoe · 27/10/2012 13:42

OH back from business trip last night - I managed to keep everything nice and calm. Definitely getting there, I think.

Off to Tenerife on family holiday (?) next week - I know, not great timing but OH could actually do with some quality time with the DCs. Feels increasingly like living in a sitcom - but will the consequences be hilarious?!

Thanks to everyone for your support. I'll let you know how things are going. Thanks

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dippingatoe · 22/11/2012 13:56

We had the chat with the kids last night. They were shocked and very angry. Was surprised that they didn't seem to have picked up on the atmosphere between myself and OH. Feeling pretty shitty today but got to keep positive about things - being as honest as possible with everybody. Friends have been very supportive but this is just the hardest thing to do. I know it's the right course of action and I know the kids will be worried about their future but this does get easier, doesn't it?! Sad

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/11/2012 15:15

It gets easier and harder in turn, you'll find. Some days will be better than others and it's a case of making the most of the good days, enduring the bad days and giving it enough time for the former to outnumber the latter. At least you're finally moving forward again rather than treading water which is a good thing by and large. Also, it's been your decision, albeit a reluctant one, which tends to be better than having nasty surprises foisted on you.

Keep talking to your DCs. They'll probably have lots of questions when they get past the initial shock. Mostly to do with if/when/how their lives will change I predict. Glad you've told your friends as well. You may find some fall by the wayside, feel they have to take sides or let you down. But there will be a core who are golden. Good luck

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