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Should I stay or should I go? Warning-long lists

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remsby · 10/09/2012 13:50

I know I need to make a change whether it's to leave dp, stay and accept some things or stay and try to make changes.

I've listed reaons to stay and reasons to go. I dn't know if it's possible to make the changes necessary or if I should. I'd appreciate any feedback. Thanks

Reasons to stay:

? Long term ? 19 years
? He is loyal and steady
? Wants what?s best for me (on his terms)
? Have not grown apart ? laugh and enjoy many of same things
? He is generous and although I?m part time, we split our income equally
? Daughter together who we both love very much
? He loves me and does not want us to split up
? I love him (although the issues we/I have prevent me from being able to give the way I should)
? He rings me every day from work to see how I am
? He is a responsible person with a good steady job, no debts, no alcoholism etc.
? He does not go out and get drunk.
? He cooks the dinner most nights
? We both enjoy good wine and I get to drink a lot of nice wine because of his collection!
? He will do school run etc. if given enough notice
? He likes to have family days out and would rather spend weekend as a family
? He notices some DIY jobs and tackles them (sometimes)
? Going would disrupt equilibrium and might not be good for daughter
? I can?t predict effects of change
? Large financial implications
? We are possibly about to move to a larger more suitable house
? Implications for daughter?s schooling (would be able to pay for place at school I teach at)
? Loneliness ?no support (no extended family or very close friends nearby)

Reasons to go:

?In a nutshell - his inertia in home life and parenting, his temper when frustrated, his need not to lose control ( he doesn?t control to bully, he just likes not to feel out of control), the constant sense I get of his sense of superiority to me and perhaps other women, how anti-social he is and his lack of understanding of the feelings of others.

Examples:
? His default position is playing on ipad and watching sport. He has a demanding job and there is a big place for this but it?s always his default. He rarely has get up and go unless we?re out.
? He will virtually never do housework. The ratio of me to him is at least 20/1 if not more in, this area. He has been the same whether I?ve been part or full time at work.
? He appears to have no sense of our part as parents in developing daughter emotionally and academically.( he is concerned about Senior school but not Primary or our input). He doesn?t do discipline. He either opts out or explodes if he finds her too trying. He doesn?t do homework or reading or put her to bed. If I ask he thinks I?m playing games or getting him to do chores. He doesn?t care about her nutrition. I think if he had sole care there would start to be evidence of neglect (when he does actually do any of these I can sense his pleasure in having done them. It doesn?t motivate him to do them again though)
? He loses his temper if problem occur that he can?t control. I have lost count of the numbers of times and days out that have been ruined by this. He will grit his teeth and pull a face of excruciating tension and swear. He will speed up the car temporarily in temper. He has physically pushed me in the past. This is one thing he?s stopped, perhaps because he knows it might help me decide to leave. If daughter cries he tells her to be quiet or if really frustrated to ?shut up.? He does this as a personal reaction rather than using appropriate comfort or discipline where necessary.

? He will ruin situations and occasions if he feels he?s losing control or being ripped off. He often makes scenes at the start of a meal in a restaurant (particularly if booked for and paid by me/his mum. He does this if he thinks it?s too expensive. He calms down after 5 mins but my heart?s still beating for the rest of the meal. He really finds it difficult in tapas type places if I choose what I?d like. He wants to give me the choice within the bounds of what he?s first chosen. If he?s planning something he considers as many negatives a she can which takes the fun out for us but helps him feel he?s still in control.

? He has no friends and has never had a friend to the house in the 11 years we?ve been there. We don?t do couples things because he woudn?t connect with anyone I know. It increases my loneliness and as a shyish person it doesn?t help me or my daughter. He doesn?t think it important to consider that daughter and I will be leaving friends if we move. He will not come and stay with my relatives but considers it my duty to go and stay with his mother and put up with some of her erratic ways.

? I don?t think he has a lot of faith in my abilities to think or do things correctly. I didn?t learn to drive till 39. He asked me not to take lessons because I would be a danger on the roads. I drive now, touch wood all OK and actually really enjoy driving. He ?s fine that I?ve been doing an OU course but seriously wanted me not to do it at first because it would cost me money. This is despite him wanting me to get a higher paying job which this course would enable me to do. He doesn?t state tht women are inferior but he talks about certain tv programmes being for ?womenfolk? and seems to think that male interests are superior.

? His father died recently and his mother who is in her 70s and was separated from his father has shouldered nearly all responsibility from hospital care to care home to funeral. He really hasn?t realised he should be more pro-active. I think he thinks he has been. His mother can be trying but the way I?ve heard him speak to her has sometimes been excruciating. He will lose his temper very easily perhaps because she?s his mum.

? He reminds me often that he never wanted children so I will have to put up with the consequences of his difficulties with parenting. This is despite us going through IVF together.

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DuelingFanjo · 10/09/2012 13:59

He sounds awful, even with the 'good' list which frankly doesn't make him sound that great.

I find the last bit really weird. If he was on board enough to have IVF then why does he claim he never wanted children. I had IVF and there's no way my DH would have been through it with me if he didn't want children.

One thing which really springs out to me is this: "I love him (although the issues we/I have prevent me from being able to give the way I should)"

depending on what those issues are it still sounds like he is blaming you for not 'giving the way you should'. If I am reading between the lines correctly it sounds like if he was a bit nicer to live with you might be a bit more 'giving'?

Sorry, but he sounds like he likes to blame you and others all the time but not himself. He also sounds like he is full of anxiety, the driving lessons thing is not normal.

A lot of what you have written seems to be about what will happen financially if you split. Personally I don't think it's worth staying in an unhappy relationship just because it's easier financially.

ErikNorseman · 10/09/2012 14:02

He sounds like a right charmer Hmm
I think if you are trying to convince yourself with pro con lists then that's your answer.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/09/2012 14:10

remsby

I would suggest you read "Why does he do that?" written by Lundy Bancroft.
He sounds very controlling indeed (controlling behaviours are abusive), ringing you every day from work to see how you are could also be construed as checking up on you. He has an awful lot of red flags re behaviours re losing control, having no friends (whose idea was it to move to where you are now?) and being aggressive.

Teaching your DD how to handle a controlling man is not a lesson she wants to learn for herself. How would you feel if she ended up with someone like this man for a partner?. This is also what you are teaching her as its up till now acceptable to you. Both of you are imparting damaging lessons on relationships to her.

Your "good points" re him do not sound good either actually. He gets far more out of this than you do; the power/control balance here is hugely in his favour. Small wonder he does not want you to split; controlling men do not let go of their victims very easily.

You state he is your DP even after 19 years?.

MonkeyRisotto · 10/09/2012 14:25

I think if you are trying to convince yourself with pro con lists then that's your answer.

This

I did a pro/con list 10 years ago, as to whether I should stay with my then partner or not. Should have been a very strong sign to me, but then I had very little experience of relationships at that time. I did stay with her, but she is now my XW. I just got more and more unhappy in the relationship, it should never have been a long term relationship for me, but I mistakenly clung to it.

izzyizin · 10/09/2012 19:20

I'm not taking the 'leave the bastard' road because, IMO, you should you show him this thread with your clearly articulated OP and the responses to it.

Basing my evaluation purely on the way in which, although it doesn't motivate him to continue, he appears to derive pleasure from accomplishing certain tasks in relation to your dd, I consider that he may have the potential to changes his ways, albeit perhaps with the help of CBT or other appropriate therapy.

This man needs to realise that unless he takes steps to drastically curb and curtail his controlling behaviour, it's probable that he's looking at a future in which he lives alone with no-one on whom he can take out his frustrations and it's equally probable that, when she becomes an adult, your dd will despise him in much the same way that he appears to despise his dm -such is the way that karma often appears to mete out redress.

As an obviously intelligent and well-balanced woman, you're unlikely to have any difficulty in forming a long-lasting relationship with a far more loving and caring man than the one you currently have the misfortune to be married to.

Whether he can become that man is a moot point but if he's unwilling to make any effort to become considerably more than his default position of self-entitled misogynist, I have no compunction in urging you to divorce as soon as is expediently possible because life is far too short for anyone to spend any longer than they have to under the yoke of marital tyranny.

remsby · 11/09/2012 03:41

Thank you all for taking the time to consider what I wrote av for letting me know what you think. Izzyizin - I do think he has potential to change with appropriate support buy as you might imagine it would be unlikely he would accept he should. I am scared and drained by my indecision.

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