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still so angry this morning had to post

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ancienthistrionics · 05/09/2012 07:10

My MIL-in-waiting came to visit yesterday. We have quite a strange situation, because she, brought up my partner's nephew (her grandchild, both parents dead before he was 1) until he was 12 and she couldn't cope. We took him and we are bringing him up.

We have had a major task, over the past 2 years, because he had been doing pretty much as he pleased, refusing school, all sorts of stuff. He's now doing well.

Every time MIL comes up and he is in the room with me and he, he starts behaving badly. Rudeness, criticising everything I say, bad table manners, etc. the list goes on.

I talked to him about it, explained that it wasn't even something I particularly blamed him for, a difficult situation after all, in that he used to used to do what she said, and now has to follow my rules. I said she couldn't come to see us again unless he could guarantee he could control this behaviour. He agreed and two visits have gone by without incident.

The rudeness started yesterday when MIL/granny arrived, having driven 3 hours to see us and was driving back the same night, so set to be with us for about 4 hours. She also wants to see our little DS, also her grandchild. Nephew got her to promise to run an errand for him, a really stupid thing for his guinea pigs he could have done himself if inclined. He wanted her to drive across town in the heat, braving one-way system. It's complicated route and she always gets lost anyway. She had had a glass of wine (just one) and wanted to relax (late sixties) but said she would go because she can never stand up to him in anything. There is a history of him making her run around and do everything for him.

This is where it gets a bit messy. I said no way should she do it, he started shouting at me saying to keep out and she wanted to do it. She then started saying she did want to do it, because she had said. They both retired to the end of the garden. Nephew crying. SHe came back and said she was taking him in the car because she had said she would. I said if she wanted to undermine my trying to instil positive values in him then she should just bring him up herself. My relationship with MIL is usually very good and she is incredibly grateful that we took him - she would rather die than have him back (although she loves him, she knows she is a useless parent).

Lots of stropping around. DN refused to speak to me, she took him out in the car (although not on the errand) and when he came back he was happy, but no apology for extreme rudeness, ostentatious bad table manners, refused to do the simple tasks he is usually good at doing. I am going to tell him today that I will pay for rail fares for him to visit her but no more visits for a while.

I was awake all night feeling angry. SHe loves him to pieces but she is a bad influence on his life.

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oranges · 05/09/2012 07:15

didn't he just want a way to spend time alone with his grandmother? I can see its really tough for you but in this particular case, I can't see that its up to you to decide whether or not she runs this errand for him.

ancienthistrionics · 05/09/2012 07:31

You see oranges, that's what I'm thinking now. In the end they went off to the beach in the car and had a lovely time. But I do think his behaviour is my concern, and he was doing what he has done many times before, which is be very lazy and demand she do all the traveling. And very rude about it.

i now really regret kicking up such a fuss about it, I feel I made a bit of a tit of myself - but at the time I could just see an elderly lady, driving a 6 hour round trip and being made to do an extra, completely unnecessary trip in heat and traffic when he could have walked to the shop in the morning if he was that bothered. He told her his guinea pigs had no hay, there was lots in the cupboard, just a different type.

It's important to me he doesn't grow up as someone who thinks the world revolves around them.

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tethersend · 05/09/2012 07:37

He lived with his GM from a very young age and moved away at 12. He misses her.

The disruption is a huge factor in his behaviour, but you can't pretend it didn't happen. I can't say that your decision is the wrong one without knowing her, but you potentially set yourself up for a great deal of resentment from him for keeping him away from the only 'mother' he has ever known.

QuickLookUsainBolt · 05/09/2012 07:38

Ancient, you are doing a fantastic thing in helping to bring our partner's nephew up, so well done to you.

I do agree that he probably just wanted to spend time alone with his grandma.
I think you should allow them time together, either him going to her house or you going out for a couple of hours next time she visits. Have a chat with him and ask him what he would like to happen. He must have been through an awful lot in his short lifeSad

ToothbrushThief · 05/09/2012 07:39

It seems this one incident has touched a big nerve? I guess you've invested a huge amount of love and energy and see results and are terrified of losing that progress?

I think what you have decided for the future is reasonable but also suggest cutting some slack in order that it doesn't become a huge issue.

tethersend · 05/09/2012 07:40

" he was doing what he has done many times before, which is be very lazy and demand she do all the traveling. And very rude about it."

It sounds like he is very angry with her for giving him up.

ancienthistrionics · 05/09/2012 07:40

Thanks for your post Tethers, I think you may have posted on previous threads and I hope you know I want only the best for him. I wouldn't ever keep him from seeing her, but I don't want to keep going through this in the house, they can meet there or mid way. I think if he is made aware that this 'thing' happens when she and I are both present, he can deal with it. Granny would rather not deal with the issue and just keeps shushing him. I don't want to put up with bad behaviour as clear boundaries in this area have brought us a long way.

He misses her terribly, sleeps with her scarf in his bed.

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wanttomakeadifference · 05/09/2012 07:44

It sounds like a tricky situation ancient, I completely understand why you are upset.

It's difficult to know DN's motives- whether he wanted to spend time alone with his grandma (but was hiding this behind a pointless errand), or whether he was trying to control her.

It sounds like you have made really good progress with DN so far, as such maybe you should trust your instincts on this one.

tethersend · 05/09/2012 07:44

Poor kid- it certainly sounds like you have his best interests at heart.

He clearly cannot cope with the two worlds colliding, can he?

Has he had any counselling or therapy to deal with the situation? Family therapy sounds like it could be useful. Does he have a SW who you could have a chat to?

ancienthistrionics · 05/09/2012 08:19

We don't have a SW, they have never had any involvement. He wouldn't agree to counselling, although I would love some! I have had one session with CAHM, just MIL and me, it was interesting. I have no-one to talk about this, not even DP because he is so angry with his mother for not learning from the impact her parenting had on his two siblings first time round (tales of woe and disaster across the board).

You are spot on with the two worlds colliding.

He has been great recently, obviously with the odd moment, but I don't mind that. Brilliant school report, have given him some rewards etc. Then MIL comes to visit and he repeats the old behaviour. FWIW, he definitely though, oh, she's got the car, let's go and do xyz without thinking of her. I can cope with that, I was a selfish teen myself, but when I talked to him about it he starting swearing under his breath at me, then walked out while I was talking. he hasn't done that for ages.

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