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Strained relationship with ageing dad - any suggestions please for trying to improve it?

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jushitsu · 29/08/2012 23:12

I remember having a happy early childhood with my dad - doing DIY with him, playing badminton, him teaching me to draw, building LEGO. Me and my brother joke that he's great with kids until they develop their own opinions - particularly about him; until they start to see his flaws and tell him so. I can see this happening with DS who's eight; Dad adores him, but DS is starting to see - and be vocal about - Dad's shortcomings, and he doesn't like it.

From my secondary schooling onwards, Dad's and my relationship has been pretty awful. He seemed uninterested in me throughout my teens, other than to yell at me about my poor clothing choice, hairstyle that wasn't the kind he liked, telling me that my opinion was wrong and he was right. No positive interest whatsoever.

My self-esteem was awful until a few years ago really, and I blame Dad for this; for never bigging me up - never believing in me and bolstering me when my wobbly sense of self was emerging. That sounds a bit fluffy but you know what I mean.

I did so well with my education, but it never moved Dad to praise/pride. I was arty (his only comment on this was that I got it from him), musical (he came to a couple of my singing performances with family and said nothing afterwards - like it would pain him to be supportive), caring (helping to look after my younger sister, who has special needs). I worked so hard and excelled in all I did - maybe subconsciously driven to get a positive reaction from Dad - but it never came.

Meanwhile, I found him chauvinistic towards Mum so was fast losing respect for him in a big way (he still is like this, which is a sticking point between us).

He's been great with DS, and lives nearby and so we see him and Mum often. And what I find painful is that he has good relationships with my cousins and family friends right under my nose - he'll devote days to helping them out, write them long chatty emails, shows a real interest in them and their lives - but never initiates spending time with me. He doesn't ask how I am. He doesn't ask about work. He often opts out of coming to us for family meals because he has other stuff he wants to do. I daren't ask him to help me (unless it's to look after DS, which he enjoys), because I don't want the inevitable guilt-trip about how busy he is, etc.

I think I've learned to handle how he is by detaching and reciprocating the lack of interest; a sort of self-protection approach. It's more in my nature to be nice though, and I'd rather be, if I didn't feel so hurt by the lack of reciprocal warmth.

I've worked hard at building up my self-esteem and confidence myself, although still feel I've achieved much less than I might have done had I believed in myself more much earlier on. But I do push myself, and a relative asked me to sing at his wedding recently, and I thought hell, just do it! I was so nervous - it had been a while - but I practised loads and did it. Mum was supportive. DS was proud. DP had a tear in his eye. And the married couple and my extended family were chuffed to bits. I felt so pleased. Dad sat through it all and said nothing afterwards. He knew I was anxious. But he didn't so much as acknowledge what I'd done, and hasn't said anything since. I can't imagine behaving so indifferently if DS were to do something like this! I just wanted a little "well done".

I'm prepared to bet money that had a friend/cousin sung, he'd have been full of praise. So why am I so f*cking invisible? I feel just so unimportant and worthless and unlovable all over again since this happened, and have been talking to my (lovely) brother about it, and we both think I need to try to resolve these issues with Dad while he's still around. They keep on resurfacing.

But where do I start?! I'm so concerned he'll dismiss/reject any attempt I make at addressing this. I don't want him to belittle my concerns. I want him to say actually, yes, I went wrong in your teens and it hasn't been right since and I'm sorry and I love you. But is that really going to happen?! Probably not.

I'm a grown woman. I have a good job that I do well, a wonderful son with whom I have a great relationship, a loving DP, lovely friends ... but when I think about Dad and our relationship, I just feel like a needy, whiny child, and I hate feeling this way; I don't like myself for seeming so precious about it. But it does bother me; it really does.

Anyway, it's been cathartic to write this down at least. And if you've got this far, and have any ideas for how to improve my relationship with my dad, I'd love to hear them. Thanks so much.

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notbloodybranston · 29/08/2012 23:52

You are me (and my sister)! Everything you wrote
•being great with kids until they are old enough to challenge/have an opinion. He stopped interacting with my daughter when she turned 7
• never praising or even noticing what we do/achieve. Was horrible to us on our wedding days, days we announced engagements/pregnancies (I told him and mum that DH and I were having their first grandchild. He said NOTHING for five minutes whilst mum whooped round the room then stomped off because he couldn't hear the TV)/degree/ A levels.
• apparently is quite proud of us to acquaintances, but would tell aunts and uncles that we are useless, stupid, lazy (we have great jobs and happy lives)

We sat down with our parents (we felt mum was complicit in some of the nastier things he had said/done over the years) in April. We wanted him to see how he was and his affect on us. It didn't end well. During the two hours he admitted he had no happy memories of being a parent and that he didn't particularly like us. Hurt like hell but was also a release. Neither of us has seen him since. Gradually over the months, word has got round the rest of the family and we've told them about our childhoods from 8 years onwards. We've had a mixture of shocked disbelief and support.

My sister and I are closer, we have DHs and circles of friends. One of my friends thinks he is jealous of us - I don't know. I am glad we confronted him though, and I don't miss him.

notbloodybranston · 29/08/2012 23:57

Just read your post again - sorry my response wasn't more positive. Is there a close relative who you could sit down with and point out the oddness of his attitude towards you? We found strength in both numbers and in the fact that we are now parents and could calmly say that we could never imagine treating our kids that way.

summerintherosegarden · 29/08/2012 23:58

I'm glad you've found writing all this down cathartic. My relationship with my Dad was also strained for many years; he was, like yours', wonderful when I was a little girl, but things went pretty wrong during adolescence and I didn't really forgive him until after his death.

Because I so regret that, I would urge you - as your brother has - to try to deal with these issues while your Dad is still alive. I should warn you that I did try with my own Dad and it didn't really make much difference, but it certainly didn't make the situation any worse.

Also, looking back, I think I was really attacking him, partly because I didn't plan the conversation at all, so think carefully about what you want to say and perhaps start off on the "we had such a great relationship when I was little" foot, trying to keep it positive as much as possible.

Do you know what his upbringing was like? I don't think my Dad had a great relationship with his own father which I feel explains a lot of his behaviour... maybe your Dad grew up in a house where there wasn't a lot of praise given out?

As long as you are prepared for the situation to not change - which it sounds like you are - then you have nothing to lose by bringing your feelings up with your Dad. Good luck and sorry this wasn't very helpful - I should probably be asleep right now :)

crescentmoon · 30/08/2012 09:55

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Nanny0gg · 30/08/2012 13:29

What is going wrong between him and your DS?

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