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Help me find a sense of perspective on this - IL related

33 replies

sleepychunky · 29/08/2012 21:52

I started a thread in AIBU on Thursday last week - can't link to it as I hid it eventually and can't find it now, but should be easy to find on a search as I don't post that much.
Basically I was told in no uncertain terms that IWBU about FIL turning up early to collect DS1 for a sleepover when I wasn't ready and asking him to wait 5 minutes. Fair enough, I apologised to him within the hour but didn't get any acknowledgment of my apology (which was by text).
ILs live a minute's drive from our house and DS1 has a sleepover there every Friday night, and occasionally he has extra ones in school holidays. ILs also help out with childcare for DS1 after school when DH and I are both working. We normally see them, if not every day, then 5 or 6 times a week.
On Friday DH spent most of the day helping FIL move pots in their garden as they were having their garden wall taken down and rebuilt on Tuesday. I went down with both DSs but left after a little while as there wasn't anywhere the boys could really play (they normally play in the garden, which was out of bounds because of the work) and I couldn't be of any help. Whilst I was there I didn't speak to FIL as he was in the garden busy with DH.
We didn't see them again until Monday, when we popped round in the afternoon after DH got up (shift work and he had been on nights so sleeping until 2pm) as the DSs were asking to see nanny and grandad. I was blanked by FIL and felt very uncomfortable, so said to DH (who was in the garden with MIL) that I thought we should go home as FIL was being nasty to the DSs (who are only 5 and 2). DH agreed with me, and when we got home said to me that if I wasn't welcome in ILs house, then none of us would go round.
Yesterday MIL popped in to our house in the early afternoon and stayed for 10 minutes. She said to DH that we shouldn't feel that we couldn't go round to their house. Later in the afternoon DH went round with the boys whilst I went briefly to the shops, but as soon as I turned up he came out of the house with DSs and said we were leaving (I didn't get through the front door).
MIL had told him about a couple of incidents which FIL appears to be dwelling on, relating to things I have done. The first of these was over a year ago when I went into the drawer where FIL keeps little sweets for the DSs to get something for DS2 and I got an absolute bollocking for doing that without him being in the room. I apologised at the time but apparently this incident has led to FIL feeling "not safe in his own home". The other relates to me going into their kitchen/diner when everybody else is in the lounge so that I can check my phone for emails (there is no reception in their lounge and very little in their kitchen, and I work shorter hours than others on the understanding that I will be available to read and answer emails for an hour or two after I leave the office).
If you're still with me, well done. This has taken me ages to type and, looking back, seems very trivial. BUT, it means a lot to me. DS1 is due to have a sleepover there on Friday (as he always does), and ILs were going to look after DS1 on Monday when both DH and I are working as school doesn't start until Wednesday.
I don't know whether to pretend nothing has happened and carry on as normal, try and confront FIL to ask him if he wants to discuss anything, or just stop going round there completely, which causes massive logistical problems once school starts again. I don't want to feel as though I am unwelcome in their house (and I love my MIL to bits - she is an absolute angel and I would hate it if I couldn't see her). I am quite prepared to be as I always am at their house but it just doesn't feel right. It may sound like a nothing issue to some people, but it's a real problem for me.
I have of course talked to DH, but the problem is that he is not one for discussing problems (a trait which all the men in his family have in common) and their response to an issue is either to sulk and not speak to anyone, or just to ignore it completely. His suggestion is to still go round but just not to speak to FIL, but that seems wrong to me as I will probably then get a reputation within the extended family (they are all very insular and live within 15 minutes' drive of each other) for being rude.

IF any of this makes any sense to you, and you have any ideas about what I can do to make things better, please tell me. Since Thursday it's been more or less the only thing I can think about, and it's really upsetting me that somebody I have known for 15 years is now not speaking to me over the smallest little thing when I have apologised, and it's causing repercussions amongst the extended family.

OP posts:
Kayano · 30/08/2012 11:52

So we use children as weapons now?!

Grown ups should be able to resolve their issues without resorting to 'well if you don't
Like me you can never see the kids again'

Hmm

They aren't just ops kids, she didn't magic them out of thin air!

HeathRobinson · 30/08/2012 12:31

I was on your last thread and thought YWNBU and fil was acting like a 12 yr old.

I'm sorry to see he hasn't grown up.

reastie · 30/08/2012 12:39

Just read this. Just wanted to offer an ear of listening. We use PIL for childcare too and it can be awkward. I realise we should be lucky that they help out but....well, you know as well as I can that awkward relationships can make these things really tricky. Just wanted to say I don't think YABU but I think you need to keep talking to people either on mn or RL about when your FIL stresses you out and you feel uncomfortable if you can't do so with your DH. It really eats me up and if I didn't have someone to talk to about all of my thoughts re: my ILs it would really eat me up more than it already does . I dont' think there's an answer as to how to progress in the future as you are a bit in a catch 22 situ. If it were me I'd probably ignore the whole incident and be completely friendly and 'normal' next time I saw him and see how he responds (it's very hard to be rude/cross with someone who is being friendly and nice and if they are then other people will see more obviously he is BU) but I'm not sure that's the best advice Hmm

steben · 30/08/2012 12:47

OP I read your original post and IMO YWNBU. As for FIL I am have to say that you should not apologise again - what you did was not particularly offensive or out of order and he is acting like a brat. My (bitter) experience of things like this is the more they are allowed to get away with it the more cantankerous and difficult they become until you are permanently dancing to their tune.

It is not a nice situation and I hope DH and MIL back your corner.

OliveandJim · 30/08/2012 12:59

I can't get over how much time you spend with the ILs when you don't seem to like FIL very much. I agree with other posters, apologising via text for that generation is not an acceptable form of apology and going in someone elses drawers at their home is also a bit rude (where I come from).
I would also never leave my DS with someone who talks them down for nothing. It's not because he's not hitting them that this shouldn't be a real worry for you. How does he talk to DS1 every Friday night? Words can sometimes do more damage than physical force.
Your free childcare might be blurring your moral compass, would you leave your DS with a childminder who spoke to your DS like that?
And what about not having a proper relationship with DS2. There seems to be a few hints that your relationship with the ILs is not completely healthy! Perhaps neither for your kids.

olgaga · 30/08/2012 13:06

Well I didn't think you were being unreasonable in your last thread. I think your FIL is crass, self-regarding and lacking in empathy. He could have been more understanding but chose not to be, and is making every tiny thing a massive drama when it doesn't need to be that way.

Thankfully your DH sounds reasonably supportive of you. However, as you rely on them so heavily for childcare you will either need to try to build bridges or make alternative childcare arrangements so that in future you welcome your MIL to your house, but do not visit the pair of them.

sleepychunky · 31/08/2012 05:58

Thanks to everybody for your replies, which I really appreciate. It has given me a lot to think about.

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Spuddybean · 31/08/2012 08:07

I don't have much advice OP, but i have a similar situation with PILs (except mine is with both and has escalated). My PILs are sulkers and determined to find insults in everything i do. So much so i am banned from their house.

After DP and i had been together about 9 months MIL called him to say i wasn't welcome anymore. That i had really upset them and insulted them. They had a list going back to my first visit. Every comment i had made had been picked apart and some slight interpreted, these include but are not limited to:
Not eating battery eggs
Laughing with DP (AND MIL) at something MIL had said
Saying my mum had loads of decorations on her xmas tree (which implied she had more than them)
Choosing a carpet for our house that wasn't the cheapest in the shop
Going downstairs to get my handbag at 3am when i needed a tampon

So now 2 and a half years on i have never seen them again. I am expecting their 1st GC which they have made clear they wont see.

It is such a sad situation and poor DP is stuck. The trouble is there is no point 'apologising' and trying to build bridges because when you differ so wildly in what you consider an insult you are going to spend your life 'insulting' them. I honestly would just unintentionally offend them again, by sitting in the wrong chair or something.

My nan was the same - if she gave you a present wrapped in blue and you gave her one back a year later you were throwing her wrapping paper back in her face and basically saying you didn't like it. Every picture and word in a card was analysed and symbolic - why a pic of a dog? what are you trying to say.

It is like that scene in goodfellas where Joe Pesci says 'funny? like i'm a clown'. You can be laughing together then suddenly it all changes.

If i were you i would ask your DH to have a word. Sadly my DP, like yours refuses to talk about stuff and would rather just ignore it all.

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