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Doomed relationship?

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loadsawurries · 27/08/2012 21:41

I've been with my bf for 6 years now, on and off for the first 3 but with no break-ups in the past 3 years. On the last break-up, I had had enough of a relationship he had with an ex-girlfriend who he now describes as his best friend. In spite of this, he had never once suggested I meet her, nor had she suggested this. Even when we got engaged this year, she didn't even offer congratulations. From what he has told me about her, she enjoys male attention and has few female friends (alarm bells ringing!) and is also quite insecure. I once checked his phone account and they were texting up to 30 times a day. Even when we went away together (and we have been away just three times in all the time we've been together) she would make a point of texting him and he'd reply, though very secretively - to me couples' holidays are sacrosanct and you just don't intrude by texting friends all the time. Anyway, we eventually broke up and so, with nothing to lose, I told him exactly how I had felt about her intrusion and asked him how he would have felt if I had maintained a close relationship with an ex, including spending the night at hers on two occasions! He admitted he wouldn't like it.

Some months later, we got back together. He had lost a close friend to cancer and was very low....funnily enough, his 'best friend' wasn't there for him and he turned to me, his ex for comfort. I made it clear how I felt about this woman and said that while I wouldn't dream of laying down stupid ultimatums about him contacting her, I wasn't prepared to have her intrude on our limited time together. (we live some distance apart and dont see each other more than once a week).
We went away this summer on out first week away together. Within minutes of landing, he was busy texting. I asked who he was texting and he just said no-one. Several times after that, I spotted him surreptitiously texting and was quickly suspicious that yet again, she was trying to prove a point by intruding on our holiday. I was livid though that he didn't have the decency to just brush her off with a 'talk when I get back'. Eventually, I confronted him and asked outright had he brought this woman away with us again? he denied it, though didn't say who he HAD been on the phone to.... later that afternoon, he made a rather lame excuse that he needed to go for a smoke and a beer - I said I'd join him but he refused to wait for me, saying I could catch him up and rushed out. I'd already seen an unopened text symbol on his phone so immediately suspected he felt the urge to go and reply to her. This left me really upset at the deceit and that he couldn't put her aside for one week. However, i didn't want to spoil the holiday with an argument so I tried to stop worrying about it and we had a nice time for the remainder and he at least wasn't seen texting again.
Today, he has been out all day, ostensibly with his mate from nearby for ' a few beers' - which often turns into a long session and I always avoid phoning/texting as I don't want to be 'checking up on him'. Tonight though, when he'd been out since mid-morning, I thought I'd say hi but he isn't answering his phone or texts. I can't help thinking he has actually gone to be with this woman and that's why he's avoiding my calls......this has happened in the past and he knows I would go ballistic if he had gone out with her.
I feel like I am being eaten up with suspicion and bitterness. I can't prove anything, he would simply deny it or turn it onto me so that I look twisted and unreasonable. I don't even think they are actually having an affair - I simply think this woman enjoys demonstrating her power over him and proving that when she crooks her finger, he comes running. He feels like her knight in armour, there to support her and cannot see what effect this weird relastionship is having on ours.
I have spent most of the day thinking about whether I can carry on with this relationship.....my gut feeling is that he will never change. He seems eager for us to marry and move in except he has done nothing to expedite that - his house still needs ton of work to make it marketable. I can't bear the thought of putting up with this secretive side of him once we live together either.

I just don't know what to do anymore. My initial instinct is always to walk away and, to be fair, I did make that clear to him that I would never put up with the same sh** from him ever again....but part of me remembers how lovely it is when we are together and when this shadow of her isn't there.

sorry for the lengthy post, i am so confused and unhappy.

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PooPooOnMars · 28/08/2012 08:04

Rowan. I had an experience like that. He wasn't an ex but a friend although we had kissed once. Nothing came of it though as we were better off friends and i then got a boyfriend.

He got a girlfriend a couple of years later but the first time i met her she went all weird and demanded they leave, she was fine right up until she actually met me face to face and then suddenly changed her mind about wanting to be friendly.

After that i never really saw him again, he also stopped seeing all his other female friends, some who he had been close to who were upset not to be invited to their wedding.

Its a shame isn't it rowan.

Rowanhart · 28/08/2012 09:01

It really is a shame Poo. I think some people really don't think you can have a friendship with people of the opposite sex without there being more to it. Which says more about them in my opinion.

I can't say it doesn't still hurt that we have no contact even though we're three years on since we've last spoke. He's had a child whose about 18 months and I'm expecting my first and we are both much happier than we were together. Shame his partner seems to think my marriage is a sham and that I actually want him back. When she lost her temper she said that I wasn't happy in my relationship and clearly I'd realised letting ex go was the worst mistake I'd ever made. Hmm

PooPooOnMars · 28/08/2012 09:06
Hmm
Knobbers · 28/08/2012 17:21

It's ok to be friends with an ex but not when there is an emotional connection involved. This relationship between your DP and his ex has over stepped the normal boundaries for a platonic friendship.

He is being secretive, she has kept her distance from you, there is way too much contact between them. Does he text/phone his male friends that often?

I would not be comfortable with this at all. There are no boundaries with this. The worrying thing about it is that he is trying to hide the contact from you. If you have expressed your feelings about it is not the problem. If there was nothing to hide then he wouldn't be hiding it. It might not be a physical thing......yet, but its definitely emotional.

Red flag, red flag OP

Lueji · 28/08/2012 17:51

If you can't trust him, then it's better if you split.

loadsawurries · 29/08/2012 18:31

Thanks to everyone. I know he isn't married, 100% sure of that. I'm close to his family, accepted as his fiancee and we see each other sometimes more often/sometimes just once a week - awkward jobs and mum duties mean it's hard to get much time together.
I know - 6 years seems an awful long time, though in fairness, for the first 3, we were on and off a lot for various reasons - some him, some me.
He is the one who has done all the running re bringing up marriage and living together - and I know if we split up, he'll be shocked and devastated but, like so many said, there are so many red flags that I can't see myself fully trusting him again....for starters there are other things that came to light about 18 months ago that he confessed to me and things I found out through snooping, that we talked through and he promised me that he wouldn't risk what we had that way again. I haven't looked, so I can't tell of there's any truth in that!

Anyway.....I've become so used to this man in my life - when things are going well, it is wonderful but when the niggling things resurface, I realise I've just had the rose coloured specs on.

Thanks to everyone who replied. Time to find the inner tough bird, hiding somewhere beneath the outer doormat!

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loadsawurries · 29/08/2012 18:38

Rowan and Poo, I've never ever insisted he has no contact,for that very reason - because however I feel about their friendship, it isn't my place to ban it... I do however feel it is intrusive and insensitive for them to carry this on so secretively during our rare, private time together and when I have made it clear how it makes me feel when they do it. Of course I am just as peed off with him as her - and as many have pointed out, I'm not invited to meet her so the whole relationship is mysterious and thus suspicious. I genuinely don't think they're having an affair but I do think he holds a very special candle for her which may or may not be unfinished business. Unfortunately, I would now find it very difficult to meet her with a happy smile plastered on my face even if he arranged it.

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PooPooOnMars · 30/08/2012 09:37

I wasn't saying you were like the girlfriend of my male friend, sorry if it came across like that.

What came to light 18 months ago?

solidgoldbrass · 30/08/2012 09:57

He's repeatedly lied to you about his involvement with this woman. He's going to carry on doing so because she is more important to him than you are.
Bin and move on, you can do better than him.

geegee888 · 30/08/2012 10:20

OP, please be wary. It sounds as though you hardly know this man. How can you be contemplating marriage when you only went on a week's holiday together for the first time in six years this year? You seem not to have spent extensive time actually together. How do you know if he has habits (or worse, a character) you find unbearable when your time with him has been so limited? If he is secretive, he may only be able to keep up a good act for so long.

A friendship with a person of the opposite sex is fine. 30 texts a day to that person and secrecy are not. I wonder whether she has really done anything wrong. Does she even know about you? You don't have any clue about what he is saying about you to her.

Is there any way you can meet her to check her out, without his say-so? Does she live close by?

loadsawurries · 31/08/2012 13:44

oh she knows about me. She's a fb buddy of his and we're linked as engaged - tho she never congratulated him. I get what everyone's saying, I see all the red flags and I know at the very least, we need to sit down and me lay everything out in the open, my feelings about the secrecy and what, if anything, would demonstrate a real commitment from him.
I would be more than happy never to marry - this will be my 3rd engagement, called the prev 2 off because i knew they weren't right for me. I certainly won't be rushing into marriage even if we do stay together - but I can't 'know' him any more closely without living together and the longer we live these 'separate but together' lives, the more entrenched in his ways he will become.

Gonna ask to meet him on neutral ground for a 'chat'. That'll put the sh** up him !

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