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Toxic Family (v.long)

65 replies

RainingInMyHead · 25/08/2012 08:20

I have nc for this as its deeply personal but I am an eight year poster.

Basically I have finally reached a point where I don't want anything to do with my family. Any of them. Barr my brother who already got out. And this is why.

I am angry. I am bitter. I am hurt. My family brings nothing positive to my life.

My father got custody when I was a baby. My mother left. He got custody because she was very neglectful and left us on a mattress locked in a room or in a caravan. They had a violent relationship. My dad then got together with another woman whom I was brought up believing was my mother.

There were five of us and we were pretty much outdoors at all times, step mum was very OCD and didn't really show love but we were taken care of.

At the age of seven a cousin started to abuse me. He was much older, basically attempted with most of the female children until he got to the youngest and weakest, me. He made me feel special, always wanting my company and giving me attention which I craved. Then once I was reeled in, started doing things he shouldn't. He told me not to tell anyone as they would never believe me, and my bond with my parents was such that I did believe they wouldnt believe me. It went on for three years.

During this time my brother began to get difficult. My step mum and him detested each other. He got more out of control as he got older, going into rages which my father would literally try and beat him out of it. As an adult my brother is now known to be ASD. I was exceptionally close to my brother and would get desperately upset when my father was hurting him and would try to protect him by jumping on my fathers back or screaming and shouting at him. My brother and I were less than ten at the time. My attempts would lead for me to be dragged up the stairs by my hair and pushed into my room. My brother steadily got worse, would climb on the roof of the house and threaten to throw himself off. I would be sent to calm him down because he loved me and would listen. He would run away from school because he struggled with the work and I would be sent to get him back. He had a horrific childhood.

At the age of ten, I finally told my parents about the abuse. I wrote a letter and left it for them to find. They didn't believe me initially. Asked me where I had read what I wrote. Demanded to know why I hadn't told them. Then it was all brushed under the carpet. Nothing was done.

At the age of thirteen my mother came back into my life which turned my world upside down. I hadn't known she existed. My step mum wasn't my real mum etc etc. basically everything I had known was a lie. For a while I thought the sun shown out of her arse but I soon learned. She was a drinker, bitter over the loss of her kids and did various things over the next few years, from telling me she wouldn't be that upset if I was to die compared to my brother, to accusing me of sleeping with her boyfriend and physical fights.

At the age of seventeen I was having a drink with my brother one night and I asked him why he never told anyone what my cousin was doing to me. He turned around and told me he didn't want to believe it was happening to me too. My poor brother had also been abused, but not by the same person as me. By my stepmums son. A year later my stepmums son committed suicide.

I moved away after that and those four years with any family was bliss. I moved down with my lovely brother and met my now stbxh. Had children. Eventually I decided to move back home, I wanted my kids to have a family.

I did move home and my parents for the most had little to do with me. Saw them now and again. Then I discovered that my step mum and step sister had been talking badly of me. My house wasnt clean enough, I was too hard on the kids, critisised my stbxh. Lots of things. There was a big falling out and I haven't spoken to my step sister since. She has always been jealous of me as I became the baby of step mum as such, when she was ten. She has admitted jealousy.

At 23 my step mum asked me one day if the abuse I suffered had really happened.

I became close to my step brother and his wife a few years back. Particularly with his wife. She is my best friend. Yet this morning I have found that she is going on holiday. With my abuser and his wife. I am utterly distraught.

This would be a bloody marathon thread if I was to list every way my family has hurt and let me down for all of my life. I went to counselling recently and its changing my view of everything. My mother sided with stbxh when we split due to dv. Was in cahoots with him to stop me from moving away. Kept a journal of my marriage. Counselling is helping me see how toxic my family is and I have just reached a point where I want out. I want to be free from the low self esteem I have. The inability to trust. The not knowing how to function when things are just...normal. I feel damaged.

Having had my own kids, I just don't understand any of it. I have no respect for my parents. My mum neglected us. Abandoned us. My dad beat his ASD son rather than find out what was wrong. I have an ASD daughter. My family brushed my abuse under the carpet. My brothers abuse.

I am such an angry person inside. A messed up person and I want to be better. But when I think about cutting everyone off, what about my own children? Should they miss out because of me? I want to move away from them all and never look back. Can I do that?

Sorry it's so very very long. I just needed to get it all out. I won't leave this up too long because I will have very easily outed myself.

OP posts:
Offred · 25/08/2012 09:15

I really feel for you raining. :( a horrible start so far but hopefully this is the beginning of something wonderful for you. I really hope it works out and it is a great sign that you are confronting all this stuff but very difficult. Sad

PooPooOnMars · 25/08/2012 09:15

Can't you transfer the course? Or just start another one? It doesn't sound like a solid reason to stay.

How far are you planning to move?

Perhaps your DP could just move to the new town and set up and then you can go and join him?

PooPooOnMars · 25/08/2012 09:17

I don't think Marcheline meant it like that Cailin. Nasty is a bit strong a word for what she wrote.

Offred · 25/08/2012 09:22

I think if you have a year then you could use that year to learn to separate yourself psychologically. I think this would help a physical move be more successful.

CailinDana · 25/08/2012 09:24

I don't want to turn attention away from the OP, but what Marcheline said was "Sure, your childhood sounds wretched, but what is the point of dwelling on it? Move on." To me that comes across as "Yeah yeah you had a bad time, wah wah, stop on about it, just forget it happened." How is that helpful? I'm sure if the OP could just forget about it and stop dwelling on it she would. As a result of what Marchline said Raining said "I know plenty of folk who will have had a much worse time than me." Raining felt she had to minimise her own experience which is a classic problem survivors of abuse have - they feel they constantly have to justify what happened and say "I know it wasn't that bad..."

Raining, I may be wrong but it feels to me like you need to get angry. The way your family treated you and your brother was just awful and you didn't deserve any of it. You say you're "forgiving" but I don't think that's it - I think you feel deep down that you don't deserve better treatment so you're willing to accept what has been done to you. Am I way off the mark?

MarchelineWhatNot · 25/08/2012 09:26

Steady on CailinDana, I was just offering my point of view. Personally, I think in the majority of cases counselling just doesn't really help. Something happened in my family that was so awful that not even the British press would cover the story. I made the decision not to go for counselling as I knew that no amount of counselling would ever make me feel OK about what had happened. I am glad I took that decision now. I feel that had I dwelled on it, I would probably be in an institution or on medication by now, rather than successfully getting on with my life.

Sure, getting on with it is not for everyone, but I think it's important to point out that it is an option.

PooPooOnMars · 25/08/2012 09:28

That's only one part of what she said . . .

I think at some point you just have to move on. Sure, your childhood sounds wretched, but what is the point of dwelling on it? Move on.

As to whether you should still have contact with your family, well, if you think there is anything to be gained by it (for you and/or your DC), then do. If not, then perhaps you should just have a clean break.

I took it to me that the OP should stop putting herself through contact with these people if they aren't good for her.

I don't agree with the not dwelling part because that's just burying it and not dealing with it.

chickenwingsmmmm · 25/08/2012 09:30

Did you post about the sil situation in aibu recently?

PooPooOnMars · 25/08/2012 09:30

Personally, I think in the majority of cases counselling just doesn't really help.

Woah! How the hell would you know if you never had it!? Your comments on institutions and medication show your prejudices towards counselling.

It does work! It does help people! If you've never had it you should not dismiss it!

chickenwingsmmmm · 25/08/2012 09:34

Sorry I see you did.
I gave you my opinion on that thread. Just wanted to say good luck and I hope you find a resolution you are happy with.
I am so sorry for what you went through.

PooPooOnMars · 25/08/2012 09:36

[waves at chicken]

Offred · 25/08/2012 09:38

Marcheline - I used to speak like you about what happened to me. It has caught up with me, I wasn't ok. Counselling has really helped. It may be different for you but don't poo poo counselling which has helped a lot of people!

MarchelineWhatNot · 25/08/2012 09:38

I have had counselling, PooPooOnMars, a long time ago. I was also on medication from the age of 8 for severe OCD.

There are other approaches, other than counselling, Life Coaching being one of them. I think this is a far more constructive approach in a lot of cases.

If counselling works for you, then great. However, I have seen many people go to counselling for years and years, for the same issues, never really getting anywhere. I think this is a horrible shame when there are alternatives.

Offred · 25/08/2012 09:39

Nothing, life coaching or counselling will work if you are not ready.

Offred · 25/08/2012 09:41

It isn't the wonder if you are alright really btw it is the "just move on" comment. It is exactly what I used to think, "I don't know why people struggle with this, I'm fine, I just moved on" except I didn't I was just in denial.

Offred · 25/08/2012 09:42

It isn't the not liking counselling that makes me wonder even!

MarchelineWhatNot · 25/08/2012 09:44

But Offred don't you think that some things are so awful, that you will never feel OK about them? No matter how much counselling you have?

CailinDana · 25/08/2012 09:45

It's not a matter of feeling OK about them Marcheline. I agree that some things are never OK. It's about coming to terms with them, reducing the power they have over you, clearing your mind.

Offred · 25/08/2012 09:46

No, I don't. That's why life coaching is completely different to counselling. You can move on with or without acceptance and ownership of your experience and one is more productive than the other. I really believe with hard work you can own and accept and move on with any experience. I don't say that lightly either.

MarchelineWhatNot · 25/08/2012 09:47

It's about coming to terms with them, reducing the power they have over you, clearing your mind.

But surely the most effective way of achieving this (in most cases) is by moving on?

Offred · 25/08/2012 09:47

And what cailin says is true. It is about believing the things are truly abhorrent but you are not and accepting them having happened to your without them being you.

Offred · 25/08/2012 09:49

No, not always because until you have accepted and dealt with them psychologically I don't believe you can actually move on effectively. Not in your mind and often not in your subconscious choices/beliefs.

CailinDana · 25/08/2012 09:54

Unfortunately for most people it's not possible for them to put difficult experiences in a box and just forget about them. Abuse and a difficult childhood can very negatively influence your though processes and cause you to believe things about yourself and others that are not true. Unless you address those thought processes and beliefs head on there is a danger that you will engage in self destructive behaviour, have low self esteem or make the same mistakes over and over (often by choosing abusive partners). Growing up in a dysfunctional environment shapes you, no matter how much you might want it not to, and you need to unpick that and develop a healthier way of looking at the world. Just pretending it didn't happen is very dangerous as IME it always comes back to bite you at some stage.

Offred · 25/08/2012 09:57

Cailin's really wise btw and has really helped me when I've been bad. Hope you are well cailin. X

PooPooOnMars · 25/08/2012 10:00

Marcheline. What you are saying sounds suspiciously like burying it and pretending it didn't happen.

Counselling, group therapy and cbt have all been very helpful to me. You shouldn't dismiss it to others just because you didn't like it many years ago.