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Is it MIL or is it me? And how do I cope in either case?

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MsFanackerPants · 14/08/2012 14:22

I've posted before about my futureMIL and the issues with her hoarding, her dirty house and her somewhat 'me first' attutude. I'm getting to the stage where I just don't want to be around her, but I don't know if it's me or her or a bit of both. I have depression and last month ended up in A&E because I was suicidal and out of control. I've changed medication and feel more stable, but things are still rocky for me.
DP told me last night that MIL is coming to stay on Friday night. This is the 3rd Friday in 6 weeks and would have been 4 but for the fact I was so unwell. Combined with DP working shifts etc, I feel like I've barely had anytime with him recently. We've got stuck on a track of get up, go to work, come home, have dinner, housework, bed. On a weekend he is either working or MIL is around. Having her stay even affects our sex life as she's in the bedroom next door which means we can't shag on Friday nights or have a long Saturday lie in and shag.

MIL is a very messy person and when she is at our home, I never feel quite relaxed. She doesn't expect to be waited on hand and foot, but it does create work (laundry, extra shopping, washing up, meal planning). MIL had a bunion op last month and since then has not been able to drive. However, she has also become very fetch me/carry me about everything. She spends most of her days with her feet up, reading or sleeping. This is actually not really any different from before she had the op. She can get around with crutches or heel walking, but chooses not to. She then tells us she feels trapped in her house, so DP goes to resuce her and bring her to ours (as her place is so filthy he won't stay there). DP and I seem to spend a lot of our time talking about what MIL needs, about what we can do to help MIL or sorting things out for MIL. MIL is depressed but won't take anti-depressants and sees a rather ineffective counsellor.

She is 62 and seems to be de-skilling herself or at least expecting DP, DP's sister and me to do the things she can't/can't be bothered with. SIL lives in London and although she came up recently to look after MIL, she has now gone back to London with no intention of returning anytime soon as MIL took the piss so much, frankly I don't blame SIL. I've seen how MIL ran her ragged. MIL's husband died last year and MIL took advantage of SIL greatly (leaving her huge lists of tasks each day, not doing anything herself) SIL became incredibly depressed and then MIL told her that her (SILs) grief wasn't as important as MIL's. MIL seems to believe her needs are always paramount, what she wants is the most important thing and that it is unfair if she doesn't get her way. I have witnessed her stamping her foot like a toddler when she doesn't get her way. She has never offered DP and I any sort of practical help; when DP had an operation and I had to work, she moaned about having to go to the hospital to get him.

I find it increasingly hard to be around her. I suspect part (probably a lot) of it is my issues. Despite being in chronic pain and disabled, my mum is very independent, very supportive of me emotionally and practically and is generally a very practical, problem solving sort of woman. She's also been on her own since my dad left in 1987. I know in my head I compare MIL to my mum and can't reconcile how they can be such polar opposites. I also dread MIL ending up living with us and that she plays so helpless.

I don't even know what I'm trying to say here. I am so frustrated that the thought of MIL being in our house again on Friday makes me feel tearful. I want to like her, I used to like her, but right now, I just don't and I dread seeing her as it's such hard work. What do I do? It's actually making me worry for the future, DP and I are engaged, but it feels like our relationship is having a third person forced into it.

Sorry, this is really long and confused. I'm just so fed up and frustrated.

OP posts:
diddl · 14/08/2012 14:33

OK, all else aside-how long is she staying for?

Does she really create that much extra work?

My Dad stays for a month at a time-he eats what we eat, sticking his clothes in the machine isn´t a hassle & it´s an extra cup, plate/dish per meal.

Tell your husband to have time off & look after his mum himself-and to also talk to you about it first!

MsFanackerPants · 14/08/2012 15:03

She just stays one or two nights,asking us to go back to feed her cats. She only lives 4 miles away! But I end up sorting out towels, she will hog the bathroom for ages and will also just ipck and help herself to food in the fridge. She also tried to take plates of food into the bedroom and pouts when we say no as she creates crumbs. She won't bring glasses out of the bedroom. It's like having a teenager.

DP claims he is getting tough with her, but as soon as she starts the pouty lip, he backs off.

Could be worse, she stayed with SIL for 9 adys and didn't wash a plate or cup or put the laundry on the whole time, whilst expecting SIL to play graceful hostess, tourguide and dinner companion the whole time.

Maybe SIL and I should run away together.

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CleopatrasAsp · 14/08/2012 15:04

You aren't responsible for your mother-in-law or her happiness, she is an adult and although she clearly has mental health issues if she won't address them then that isn't your fault. She is still young and you could have decades of this if you aren't careful. I think you need to look after yourself given your own problems and your DH needs to see and understand this.

Some people will just suck you dry if you let them.

Thumbwitch · 14/08/2012 15:10

This could go either way - she could be depressed and is having troubles with doing daily chores; or she's massively taking the piss and decided to leech of her children for the rest of her days.

Only she probably knows which; but I think your DP should be more considerate of you and your own MH issues, and tell his mother that she can't come to stay almost every weekend, especially if she lives so close! WTF is that all about? Confused Perhaps your DP could go and visit her at her house for a couple of hours at the weekend if she's that lonely; but it's completely unreasonable to have her staying so often, IMO.

aftereight · 14/08/2012 15:14

4 weekends out of 6? That would be 3 too many for me.
Is your DP feeling sorry for her (lonely, widowed) and thinking that having her to stay is helping her? Can you try to explain to him that it is in fact making her practically and emotionally dependent on you both, which will not help her at all in the long run.
You are emotionally fragile and you need your own space. Does your DP realise that his mum's presence is weakening your relationship as a couple? I think you need to talk to him about the bigger picture, and your needs.

PandaNot · 14/08/2012 15:19

Why is she staying if she only lives four miles away? Confused. Take her home at the end of the day!

diddl · 14/08/2012 15:49

She´s 4 miles away?

In which case I don´t get why she´s staying over.

She could surely come for a morning or afternoon?

elizaregina · 14/08/2012 16:01

can you help her get a cleaner in, she is running the show - you are bieng compassionate back, sometimes you need to take charge - get a cleaner in, go with her to x y z to say what benefits can she get - home help for instance..

can dp not clean up her house for her then get cleaner in weekly....

can you show her your mum and show her how she copes and survives...

I am all for helping out DP's, they have after all as we know spent years wipping our bums and keeping us safe...

however - there is a line to be drawn....

I dont need to imagine the work your DMIL creates. my own DF is disabled and is a huge strain in terms of extra work when here - including un neccasry things like eating a flaky pastry pasty withot a plate....leaving masses of crumbs and ink stains...and all kinds of stains in his wake, he cant bend down to pick a single thing up - etc....

he struggled for years without a disabled bagdge inspite of fact it takes him literally minuets to get in and out of car and walks slower than a snail on tranquilers....

i had to take charge - i made him get a disabled badge, etcetc..he used to stay with us often adn then started to invite him self down...

hopefully i have stopped that now...

dont be passive try and take the iniative....

in the nicest way broach to her - this situation is temporary and long term solutions must be found to help her..

she may consider other things if she does know - its not an option for much longer to be leaning on you both.

EldritchCleavage · 14/08/2012 16:09

Perhaps you could go and stay with your mother (or SIL!) this weekend. Leave DH on his own with MIL and then have a frank discussion about this when you get back. It just sounds as though tackling this issue right now might be a bit much for you.
Also, see how DH likes it when he has to be on his own with MIL-don't let him put you in the traditional default female role of carer. Not unreasonable to want to help his mother, but he should be her support primarily, not you.

PooPooOnMars · 14/08/2012 16:10

If she only lost her husband last year then I feel very sorry for her. Maybe she gave SIL huge lists of things to do after he died because she couldn't cope or face it. She had just been bereaved after all.

ImperialBlether · 14/08/2012 16:43

Could you go to stay with your SIL this weekend, giving your partner and his mother some quality time together? Grin

Why does she have to stay and why so frequently? Don't you get any say in this?

MsFanackerPants · 14/08/2012 17:53

I've arranged to go to my mum's, she needs some help with cutting out some new curtains anyway and I've not had any mummytime for a while.

I'm really scared of falling into the female carer trap, which is part of my frustration. I've worked in adult social care/carers services long enough to see how it happens. I also don't want to get stuck in the stereotype of DIL and MIL cannot get along.

I have NO idea why MIL needs to stay. Perhaps because her house is a shit tip and currently stinks of catpiss. Which we offered to clean but she refused. Even if she can't drive temporarily, taxis are abundant and she has no money worries so she could come for dinner, then go home, but never does. She already has a cleaner, but there is only so much the woman can do in two hours a week and as IML can't/won't empty a bin and the house is crumbling, it's a bit like deck chairs on the titanic.

PooPooOnMars the lists weretotally unreasonable. MIL made one daily and pinned to to SIL's bedroom door. SIL had dealt with getting death cert etc already It was everything that needed to be done, not just post-bereavement things and it went on for weeks. From empty the bins, to valet the car, clean the bathroom, make dinner, do shopping. SIL had left her job and her flat in London to look after FIL and MIL seemed to expect SIL to look after her too. Everything that FIL used to do, MIL has tried to offload on someone else. Even when FIL was going through chemo, MIL refused to clean cat litter trays.MIL also then demanded keys for SILs place in London so she could pop down to visit whenever she felt like. SIL vetoed that quicksmart.

It always gets presented to me as "Oh Mum is coming to stay this weekend", rather than any sort of discussion beforehand or checking if I might want us to do something as a couple. I suggested a while ago that we go away for a weekend or a day and DP recently moaned that we haven't done that yet. "Yes, because you keep having your bloody mum stay over."

I feel sorry for DP as he is having to support me and his mum. I also feel selfish for asking him to make me a priority right now. I explicitly said to him a few weeks ago that I was really struggling and he said I seemed ok, even when I was self harming and telling him I was not. If I get annoyed or angry, he seems to think it's just because I am depressed, not because there is a genuine problem. I am very conflict averse, I cannot stand shouting and will always try to reason things out and come up with a solution, but when it comes to this we just can't work it out because he goes back on what we agreed. I love him, but it makes me start to wonder what the future will be like if we have kids.

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oscarwilde · 14/08/2012 18:13

I think your last couple of paragraphs sums it all up really. You could copy it into a letter and leave it with your husband to mull over for the weekend (in his mothers company for good measure) if you are not good at conflict.
It doesn't have to be confrontational either though it does sound as though your DH has a bigger problem with this than you do. She's 62, this could go on for the next 25 yrs or longer depending on how much hand and foot treatment she can get out of the three of you. Time enough to deal with it when she really can't cope by herself.
Perhaps it is time to start making noises about how she isn't really coping and perhaps it is time to start making plans for assisted housing etc etc. Leave a few brochures lying around :) Might wake her up a little if she realises you have no intention of wiping her backside into her dotage?

PooPooOnMars · 14/08/2012 22:05

Wow those lists!

ImperialBlether · 14/08/2012 22:16

I've been thinking about this and I think it's very unreasonable for your partner and his mum to expect you to have her to stay at all, given she lives so close.

I couldn't bear to have someone staying with me if I didn't really like them. Surely your husband would find it hard to give you a good reason why she should stay rather than call round for a couple of hours?

Thumbwitch · 14/08/2012 23:32

Your DP is being daft and self-delusional. If you'd got to the point of self-harming, how on earth could he think you were "all right"? Did he want to wait until you ended up in hospital before realising that you weren't? that makes me so Angry on your behalf.

If he won't refuse his mother's ridiculous (sorry, it is) insistence on staying over at your house almost every weekend, then you should definitely just go to your own mum's or a friend's or somewhere and leave him to it. Because you don't need to skivvy for her. And he really really needs to get his priorities straight before it's too late.

Angelico · 14/08/2012 23:48

OP I know it's hard but you really need to have an honest discussion with your DP and make it clear that this is the last weekend she is coming for a while. He needs to be supporting you too but she has trained him into thinking that her needs are number one. You need to do some 'counter training' so he can see that your needs as individuals and as a couple are important too. If he can't put his foot down he has shown you where his loyalties lie.

ImperialBlether · 15/08/2012 00:18

I wouldn't stay if she was staying. I'd go to friends or family, but I wouldn't spend my weekend with someone like that who doesn't even need to be there. Your husband needs to get a grip and realise he should be caring for his wife at the moment.

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