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FIL moving on....

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PuggyMum · 14/08/2012 11:58

Hi, I hope I've posted in the right section. Just looking for advice from others who have experience here....

DH and I have a fantastic relationship with FIL. We lost MIL in March very quickly after a cancer diagnosis. It hit us all very hard.

They had only 12 months of retirement and plans for the future so very cruel.

FIL worked away for much of his career and over the past 5 years had a housekeeper in Azerbaijan. When he retired he got her a job in the office of a company he worked with. They kept in touch via email.

FIL has always mentioned her. It's been no secret he relied on her a lot and he had a heart attack scare whilst out there and she called the ambulance / got all his stuff together whilst he was being airlifted back to uk. He believes she saved his life that day.

Over the past few months FIL has talked about going back to work. He's an active 64 year old and doesn't want to rattle around at home alone. He lives 250 miles away from me and DH but uses us as a base when he travels on business / visits regularly so it's not a barrier.

BIL and SIL live 10 miles from FIL. They have him round for tea once a week / he cooks Sunday dinner.

He also visits his sister once a week and has good neighbourly relations.

He has spoken of the HK a few times and said how close they had become. He made it very clear not in a sexual way.

His business associate is trying to get her a visa to come to work in the uk. Out of the office where FIL will be based (although huge element of travelling).

He has spoken to me about her as I think he is testing the water for a reaction. He said he'd made it clear to her when MIL was here that he was married, so I assume an opportunity presented itself to need to make this clear.

He said she wants to better her lot and grow and learn and if he can help her in any way he wants to do so. She said she wants marriage and kids to which he said he's got his children so there's obviously been discussion that this relationship could go further.

We've always been able to talk / joke about sex with PIL so he's made it clear that he doesn't see the friendship developing in this way.

DH is upset. Not too upset to feel the need to cause rifts but I need to support him here.

FIL is lonely and trying to see a path to happiness. We need to support him too.

BIL and SIL are oblivious to latest developments. They don't support FIL as much as we'd like but we have a different relationship with PIL/now FIL so we don't hold this against them.

She may not get a visa. This could all be worry over nothing but this is the kind of thing that blows families apart and I am not going to allow this to happen.

The unknown is her intentions. She might genuinely be looking to broaden horizons, have a career and FIL can be a 'father figure' to her. She may also be a gold digger preying on a vulnerable, lovely man.

Sorry this has been incredibly long. All advice is welcome.

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KickTheGuru · 14/08/2012 12:09

I had a very good friend in university and her dad was very wealthy. The mum passed away very suddenly at a fairly young age.

The dad also had a disability and therefore needed a full time carer.

Not a year after his wife had passed, he had met someone else and she moved in. They both claimed to be very much in love.

It very sadly came out soon after their marriage that she was only there for his money. They divorced shortly after.

It's fairly well documented that men need to get married sooner after a death or divorce than women do. And I think they are quicker to believe that someone truly loves them...

I would make sure that he knows WHY she wants to marry him. And that even if "only for a visa", that is still illegal.

It's very sad and I hope he turns out ok. I am a cynic so I hope I am wrong.

PuggyMum · 14/08/2012 12:47

Thank you kick. I didn't know that about men per se but it makes absolute sense.

He mentioned the marriage word to me as though she would get married given the opportunity... I haven't got the shocked face icon on my phone but that's what I did! He said no way. He knows that would be a step too far for DH and BIL.

The visa app is on the basis she would be training with the company. The business associate wants to open an office where she lives so that's the benefit to them. FIL would no doubt do a lot of work from this office.

He has said no way would she ever be in the family home etc. He is very family orientated and I think if DH or BIL made it awkward he'd cut all ties.

It's going to be a bit of a minefield if things progress as planned and I am the safe pair of hands to steer the family.... I promised MIL I'd look after everybody!

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KickTheGuru · 14/08/2012 13:01

I think if he is doing it from a business perspective, and ONLY from a business perspective, then I can understand it

If he is doing it because he thinks there is a potential relationship somewhere in the future, then he needs to be completely sure that she feels the same way as he does

The good thing with a work visa is that if everything goes tits up and she leaves the company, the visa expires.

A partner visa is a minefield because she would potentially have to leave the country and he would feel more obligation then to try not cock up her lifestyle.

flagnogbagnog · 14/08/2012 13:21

My uncle lost his wife to cancer a few years back. He and his wife had been married for years as they were childhood sweethearts. 3 weeks later he came to visit my father (his brother) and told us all that he already had someone else. It was a shock. Eyebrows were raised, and concern was expressed for his grown up sons.

But we all just has to accept it and move on. Non of our business really. They are still together several years on, and his new partner is a lovely addition to our family. If your fil has basically already said he wouldn't marry this lady, nor would he move her in, I think it shows how much he values his children's feelings. He sounds like he has his head screwed on well.

As for whether or not she is a gold digger, cross that bridge as and when you come to it. There really won't be much if an issue if they don't get married. So wait and see what happens.

KickTheGuru · 14/08/2012 13:28

I think the difference here is potentially a visa or a lot of money

Remarriages by themselves are fine. It's when there is a lot that could be at stake - not only the heart of the person who lost their loved one

PuggyMum · 14/08/2012 13:29

Thanks again. I think the key is to make sure he feels able to be honest with us. I've pitched it to DH that as harsh as it is for him we need to make sure FIL doesn't feel the need for secrets.

So falling out with him over it is a no no as thats dangerous!

I don't think DH would ever want to meet her. I also don't think FIL would expect him to. Just writing that has made me feel better actually.

I'd want to see the whites of her eyes though!

I think I'm in this position of having the convo with FIL in the first place, as well as several others over the years that I was surprised that they would trust me with because he gets me.

I'm not bothered about the inheritance other than the family heirlooms / personal items. If he spends every penny living out a happy life than that's alright with me and DH agrees.

For now that's enough to give FIL the benefit of being a good judge of character and she has been around for long enough so I am comfortable with her as a 'very good friend'.

I have a fab RL friend who I can chew it over with over much wine. But her DF is on his third marriage to gold diggers so I know that's her start point!!

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KickTheGuru · 14/08/2012 13:32

I think you are fortunate that you have a good relationship with him. You all sound like nice people and I think support is always more important than trying to figure out how to convince him not to do it

Parents deserve to be happy - regardless on what their children think. I think you are a good mediator though.

PuggyMum · 14/08/2012 13:39

Thanks flagnog, if he does find love I'm happy with that. If its genuine! So it's nice to hear a good story.

It's a lot of money in so far as the house is paid for and there's a few quid knocking around. Not enough to see DH and BIL in luxury but enough to have mortgages paid off / vastly reduced.

We certainly aren't relying on it though! I don't think BIL and SIL are either.

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PuggyMum · 14/08/2012 13:45

Thanks kick. We do have a fab relationship.... Complete with rows at times!

I lost my own dad at 18 and my mum had another guy who she's still with now. I think FIL sees how I have reconciled what went on there and knows I see the bigger picture in life. I don't see supporting him as a disrespect to MIL. Quite the opposite.

He is so very sad about MIL. We can just start talking about happy memories. She'll never leave our thoughts.

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KickTheGuru · 14/08/2012 14:10

That's it though. My folks divorced when I was in my teens but we had a very poor childhood with lots of very sad stories.

I think the thing it did for me was to see my parents as humans. They taught me that they deserve happiness - they taught me because they never bitched or moaned and they taught me to be empathetic because they were empathetic.

It meant that from a young age, up until now - I believe that everyone deserves to be happy. My parents didn't have to stay together for the sake of the kids and my dad died a few years ago as well. I rung my step mum and consoled her. Still in contact with her. I supported my mothers' boyfriends and was nice to them.

My parents gave us life. Not their lives. Big difference.

Not a fan of my DH's family though but I suck it up for him. I think I do it because I know he would give up his family for me and I would NEVER expect him to do that. As a result, I try to support his relationship with them because I know he puts me first...

Strange how we all grow up...

PuggyMum · 14/08/2012 14:42

Our parents gave us life. Not their lives.

That sums it all up kick.

This has made me feel much more positive about what may lie ahead.

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KickTheGuru · 14/08/2012 14:46

He sounds like a gem and so do you :)

I couldn't imagine losing my husband. I can't imagine how awful he must feel and sometimes, you just want your family to support you no matter what.

I bet he is glad he has you :)

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