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Warped perspective, need some opinions on how bad these events are (father/stepmother related)

37 replies

R2PeePoo · 01/08/2012 22:44

I should start by saying that I have had low self esteem, high stress levels, anxiety and depression for a long time that I am only now getting help for, in part due to my father who is a bully and sees me as a failure because I don't fit his idea of a perfect child. He and his wife have done things that I have suppressed and ignored for years, eventually managing to make a joke out of them (as I am very passive and find confrontation incredibly upsetting). When I told the counsellor that I am seeing a few of the things she was incredibly shocked and told me that they were some of the unkindest things she had ever heard. But in my head I can explain them/laugh them away as wellmeant but inappropriate and most people gasp and laugh when I telll them, she was the first person to be shocked. I think I need an external perspective before I can believe her.

So a few of the things:

On my 22nd birthday they turned up with a box full of little individually wrapped presents. I got very excited but when I opened them but it was all the things that my mother had left behind in the house when she had moved out two years previously. Basically my stepmother had emptied the medicine cabinet, drawers and under the sink cupboards and wrapped it all up. There were half-used lipsticks, old milton bottles, a package of old fashioned maternity towels etc.

When we visited with brand new baby DD she took me to one side and presented me with a bag. Inside was 'sexy lingerie' two sizes too small. She then proceeded to tell me several stories of colleagues who had become too immersed in their baby and ignored their husbands who had then had affairs and left them (Stepmother doesn't have any DC). She spent the rest of our visit monitoring my portion sizes, to the extent of removing bowls from my hands and replacing them with smaller ones. I found her going through my luggage and she told me I should throw out all of my black clothes and wear brighter colours as my baby wouldn't be stimulated. She produced a bag of clothes she had bought (two sizes too small and not my style) and sulked horrendously when despite thanking her I didn't wear any of them during our stay.

Everytime she visits she rearranges cupboards and drawers, especially the kitchen which drives DH crazy. She questions every aspect of my life and makes it clear that she thinks I am not a good wife to DH. When I had DS and they offered help I asked them once if they could bring something to eat when they visited as DS was a colicy, refluxy baby who needed to be held constantly. I was expecting bread/cheese/ham etc but they spent the whole time in the kitchen making a lavish four course meal, complaining about the size of the kitchen and constantly asking me to find equipment they needed to cook.

My dad was there for all of these (and others) and said nothing. My problems with him are more deeprooted and complex, around feeling like I have to be a good girl, wellbehaved, academic and quiet. But he has made it clear he sees me as a failure because I am a)fat, b)a SAHM mum with a good degree which I don't use and c) I had children young.

I can see that the stepmother things don't look good, but I believe she genuinely thought she was doing the right thing and didn't want to hurt my feelings. She doesn't have any family of her own and she stepped into a ready made one when she married my dad and I think she was trying to act like a mother without really knowing me. My counsellor says that she constantly oversteps the boundaries so far that it shocks me into silence, whereas I do challenge smaller issues. She also says that it isn't well-meaning, quirky, thoughtless, eccentric or gently inappropriate (as I have been telling myself) but hideously unkind and mean. That they are bullying me and making me feel like a failure because I don't do what they think I should. That I don't have to see them if I don't want to.

This is a whole new way of thinking, my head is spinning and I honestly don't know who is right and wrong anymore.

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R2PeePoo · 02/08/2012 15:42

Thank you for all the new replies. I really appreciate you all sharing your thoughts with me.

My father was more of a bully when I was younger, using his force of will and sulks/tantrums to get me to do what he thought was appropriate. Its more insidious now e.g. we visited at the weekend and he knew I was unable to eat certain things (high salt, high fat, highly flavoured, high fibre, things with tomatoes etc, basically I can only eat quite bland foods in small quantities atm). The meal was spiced mackerel pate flavoured with tomato puree on seeded bread, turkey/tomato stew, a heavy frangipan pie with icecream and a blue cheese board. The expectation was to eat, there was no way to not eat without causing massive sulks and tantrums and I ended up eating enough to make me feel very unwell. Which sounds pathetic, even to me. They also pushed and pushed and pushed DD to try the pate when she was uncertain and then when the cheese board came out told her it was very strong and she wouldn't like it (it was all really expensive cheese). That was something I could challenge and she got some in the end but I was so exhausted by the end of the few hours we were there that I couldn't keep my eyes open. Its like there is a tightrope of expectations that I can't see and I keep slipping off; but when I do slip off I get the waves of disapproval. He once sulked for three days and wouldn't talk to me because I chose an A-level he didn't approve of (Classical Civilisations, to go with History, English and General Studies with the aim of getting a degree in Ancient History-which I did from a top 3 university)

twofalls I don't really see my brother much, although we get on well when he visits at birthdays and christmases. When our parents split up he phoned me first and came to stay for a week but I don't know anything much about his life atm. After years of me being the golden and favoured child and him being the disappointing one, I think our relationship is pretty damaged. He sees my mum, but not very often.

katnisscupcake DH likes to see the best in everyone and to fix problems and its only recently that he has seen that my dad is not a good person to be around (after 11 years). He has suggested that I talk to my brother about this and said he will take the DCs by himself to their house if I want (no, my dad would work on him constantly and would see my absense as a personal insult, which would not be good in front of the DC). He did suggest that he and my brother confront my dad but my dad and his wife have the potential to be really nasty and they wouldn't take it lying down. I'm already frightened of answering the phone in case it is them, I don't think I could take unpleasant phone calls. My mother agrees that my father is a bully, thats one of the reasons why she left him, but she hasn't seen or spoken to him in 8 years - since I got married. She left him suddenly for another woman and he was incredibly bitter and nasty about it...we are not allowed to mention her at all when around him. I have built a more comfortable relationship with my mother (who is practically rather than emotionally supportive), greased in part by the fact that she thinks DH is fantastic and they are close friends. Her partner is the most wonderful, caring maternal woman and she is a full grandma to my children (and was there at the birth of the second with my mum). My PILs recently told me that they see me as a daughter and phone me regularly to boost my confidence which I am enormously grateful for. So my children do have two sets of grandparents who love them and me which does make the contrast between them and the third set more stark.

The fact that I don't have to do things that I don't want to has come as somewhat of a revelation. But I think 30 years of conditioning, suppressing my emotions and damage to my self-esteem is going to take a long while to get over, but I feel at last I am starting to think clearly.

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CleopatrasAsp · 02/08/2012 15:42

They are both a pair of weirdos (the birthday present fiasco itself is testament to that). Don't feel guilty about viewing them as deeply unpleasant, controlling people. My advice would be to distance yourself from them as much as you need to. You are entitled to be happy, they make you unhappy - just get rid.

CogitoErgOlympics · 02/08/2012 15:48

Step-mum sounds barking. Dad not much better. Hope you live a nice long way away from both of them.

RoomForASmallOne · 02/08/2012 17:59

I'm with Crikey on this.

The gift incident is the most nasty thing I have read on here too Sad

I have no practical advice but you really don't have to see these people.

I don't spend much time with my parents and I very rarely take my DCs to see them.
It protects my family from their 'chaos'.

I really hope you find the strength to cut contact with them.

You really do get to choose who you have in your life Smile

Nanny0gg · 02/08/2012 20:57

Do not let your DH take your DC to your father's house.
Keep seeing your counsellor and please find the strength to cut contact.

They are the most seriously twisted 'parents' that I think I've ever read about on here.

They will be no loss to you and a potential harm to your DC.

CrapBag · 02/08/2012 21:39

You are being waaaayyyy too kind.

They sound pretty toxic and not well meaning at all. Taking away food from a new mother and swapping for smaller bowls!! WTF is that about. Rearranging your cupboards? This is just rude. Who goes into someone elses house and moves their things.

Can your DH/P have a word?

I would minimilise contact and if they don't take no for an answer and turn up, just don't let them in and tell them you said it wasn't convenient. As for your visiting them more and going on holidays, just keep saying no to them. They can't physically drag you there.

It will be contributing to your wellbeing so you should keep contact to just a couple of times a year if you feel you must do that even.

WRT your DD staying there, this reminds me of a great piece of advice given to me by my grandad when my nan and aunt were badgering me to let my poorly cousin hold my newborn, even though I knew she would catch it (I gave in to their badgering and yes, newborn DD did catch it). YOU ARE THE PARENT AND IT IS UP TO YOU!!! Not shouting, just making sure you remember that. They can't force you to let your DD stay with them.

Good luck and please please stand up for yourself and stop being so nice. I know its hard. I LOATHE confrontation and will do anything to avoid it so I understand how hard it is, but they aren't misguided and they don't mean well at all. Your step mum knows exactly what she is doing, especially with buying the wrong size clothes.

R2PeePoo · 02/08/2012 22:34

Forgot to answer finally's questions.

Yes they do know I am having counselling. My dad said that they had been talking and it was obvious I needed some because I don't take enough time for myself. I must fix myself because they don't want to get any middle of the night phone calls saying I have been taken to hospital again. He said I need time off and a holiday which prompted even more suggestions for staying at his house and even going on holiday with them.

DD won't be staying there ever. In total they have spent 3 hours in the last seven years with her without me - taken her to playparks etc. They have spent 1 hour with DS (nearly 3). DD was seven in June and her present from them was a suitcase so she could go on holiday, her Xmas present will be a larger one. They are persistent.

Oddly enough the straw that broke the camel's back was an incident on Sunday. There were 6 chairs around the table and we were told to sit where we liked. I asked repeatedly if there was anywhere in particular I should sit and was told 'no, just sit down wherever'. I pulled out the chair next to DS and stepmother ran from the kitchen and pulled it out of my hands and told me that was my dad's chair and reserved for the master of the house. She then grumpily shifted it around the table to another position and gave me another chair. The only thing different about the chair was it had arms, but it was one I had sat in before at other meals (and was the childhood chair my brother and I would fight over). I was so nervous trying to choose which chair to sit down on, almost frightened and I still managed to get it wrong even though I tried to get it right repeatedly. I realised I have never felt comfortable there and am constantly fighting down a borderline panic that I am doing something I shouldn't.

I've talked to DH and shown him this thread and we are working out what to do. I think I need to talk to my brother as he only visits dad when I am there too, so any decision I make will affect him too.

I really appreciate everyone who has taken the time to post on this thread. I am going to try and be strong, even if I am wrong about their motives they are hurting me mentally (and physically to a certain extent now). I don't want them as part of my life and you have helped to clarify my thoughts to a certain extent.

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R2PeePoo · 02/08/2012 22:38

Oh and his response to the question in finally's post:

What do you think would be their answer if you said,
" My counsellor has asked me to explore what was your thinking behind gift wrapping my mother's tat belongings?"

Denial
Bafflement
Anger that I had brought it up after so long
Hurt
Guilt tripping
Nastiness with particular emphasis on every time I have ever failed or let him down and how I am lacking as a good daughter.

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Nanny0gg · 03/08/2012 00:16

Vile.
Your SM is the epitome of the Wicked Stepmother.
You have no need of these people in your life and nor do your DC.
I hope you find the strength to disengage.
And if your brother wants to continue any kind of relationship with them, it should be without you.

Good luck.

BrevilleTron · 03/08/2012 00:30

Put your barriers up. Disengage and give your DD a NORMAL example of a female-female relationship.
Your Dad may be too far gone to ever change and it's up to your DH to give the good example of what a Dad should be.

The fact you are analysing their behaviour and being upset by it. Makes you normal.
You sound lovely. Be strong for your DD
UnMumsnetty hug.

HighJumpingHissy · 03/08/2012 07:47

Please get these monsters out of your lives, forever.

The most horrifying cruelty by parents I've heard.

TheLightPassenger · 03/08/2012 15:43

This is shocking abusive behaviour, physically (making you eat food that is bad for you) and psychologically. Carry on working on this with your counsellor, she is right about them, the fear/anxiety/guilt are due to their cruel behaviour. It will take you time to start setting boundaries, get your DH on board with this.

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