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X having baby with new wife - I'm freaked out about possible consequences to my kids and I

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Restart · 31/07/2012 14:53

I had a meltdown this evening. The thing was that I carefully constructed it myself, I asked a question of my kids that I knew I wouldn?t like the answer to.

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Restart · 31/07/2012 14:54

I had a very painful breakup 3.5 years ago, my partner of 16 years had an affair with a colleague, left and they are now married. He was a nightmare, tried to take all he could I had to fight him tooth and nail for settlement, I had just been made redundant at work so all of my payout went in to our settlement pool and I was penniless and out of work. He did the whole MIL think of demonising me and treating me as though it were I that had betrayed him. It was incredibly traumatic for me and has taken all this time to realise that it actually triggered me in to Post Traumatic Shock. So many of the incidents that occurred during our break up were reminiscent of my childhood. He would come to the house and demand that I agree to his terms, becoming increasingly threatening with each visit. I grew increasingly afraid of him, and would be a blubbering, hysterical panicking mess within minutes. My own childhood had been fraught. My mother is mentally ill and my Dad was NPD. My mother would fly in to rages and attack without warning, my dad had to be obeyed at all times without question. He left when I was six. One evening my mother went to my grandmothers house and there was a knock on the door, I was alone for some reason. I opened the door and my Dad was there. I was delighted to see him and thought that he was coming home, I let him in. He made small talk with me for a minute and then very sweetly asked me if I had a black crayon he could borrow, I went and looked for one but couldn?t find black so I loaned him a red one. He thanked me and then proceeded to write his name all over the walls of the house, all over any surface that would take it basically. I was frozen with terror. When he was finished he said ?Now you tell your mother that everything is mine, and I?ve written my name on it in case she forgets it?. He left. He left me to face what I knew would be a crazed mother; he left me knowing it was my fault, my crayon, me that let him in. Sure enough, I was held to blame. It was one incident of many. I didn?t? make the connection until very recently, but that is the feelings evoked when my X suddenly became a stranger overnight. He went from the man professing his love for me and his undying loyalty to our family and his commitment to ?sweep the streets if he had to? to make sure his kids were always taken care of, to a monster, and in the face of that I was again a terrified 6 year old.
So, last Friday he called me to tell me that his now wife is 3 months pregnant. For the first time in 3.5 years he spoke to me like a reasonable person, and didn?t treat me as if I were a lowlife. I?ve come to realise since we split up, that he is NPD and that the he moved across the spectrum of NPD disorder when his affair was discovered, apparently he is now back in the more manageable just selfish range. He told our two girls about the baby over the weekend. They are excited, the oldest one is a bit wary (she?s 14), the youngest one is thinking of it like a new puppy and is over the moon (she?s 10). I of course am processing a million emotions about it, I?m worried about how my X will handle it, how his new wife will change towards them, I?m worried about their entitlements if anything happens to him. For myself, I am worried about them wanting to spend more time with them and less with me, I?m worried about not being able to compete with their big salaries, big house, big family support network (she has incredible family support). I?m worried that after 3.5 years of struggling to fight off his irrational attacks and demands for money, striving to rebuild our lives, get us a new home, and do all in my power to provide a stable life for us all, that once again I?m on the verge of having my life collapse again.
I am terrified that having lost a partner, that I will now lose my kids.
I asked them tonight if they would want to spend more time with their Dad when the baby was born, the older one said hmmmmmmmmmmm maybe, if he wasn?t so far away. The youngest one (who is on a high about the baby and moving to our new house) said oh maybe we could do a week there and a week with you, maybe we can sleep in the hospital when the baby is born (another hurt for me , she?s having the baby in a private hospital, he wouldn?t allow me to because he said it was a waste of money ? even though he works in private health insurance), she became very excited and kept asking me if I?d texted him. It was more than I could take. I was so hurt. I felt so disposable and worthless again. He had spent a year having an affair, never coming home before they were in bed, then left and refused to see them unless I worked full time, then would only see them on Monday /Tuesday nights, then lied to them until a week before his wedding, then moved 1.5 hours away to be near her family rather than staying near them. But after all that, I still don?t count for any more. I am so hurt and exhausted. I know they have a right to a great relationship with their dad, I know they deserve to feel loved and cherished, I know they should feel excited about having a new sibling, I know it will be good for them to have a new person in their life to love and be loved by. But I am still hurt. It is my fear of abandonment rearing it?s head again. I find it profoundly painful, the thought of losing them. The divided home is devastating enough. The concept of them having family that has no connection to be is somewhat baffling also.
I know this is just another thing that I must find a way to work through, but I am struggling tonight. I had to apologise to the kids, I should never have asked the question. I knew they were excited, and I knew the younger one in particular would give a hasty idealised answer as that is her nature. It was like I set them up, but that wasn?t my intention. I told them it was wrong of me to ask a question and then give a negative response (becoming emotional) because they answered me. We all ended up having a cry, it?s been an emotionally charged week. We found our we?re moving, found out about the baby, and tonight they even found out that they might be meeting one of their favourite celebrities as one of their school friends dads works in the music industry, the oldest also got her first period last week. So it has been a very big 7 days and emotions were running high.
What a dump this has been. I needed to lay it all out. I am very frightened of losing them.

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CogitoErgOlympics · 31/07/2012 15:07

Of course they are excited about the new baby - that's natural - but they probably won't like it much when Dad gives all his attention to the new one and less to them. They'll probably think twice about spending weeks there if it has them up all night crying etc.

It's also natural that you feel upset about your ex having children with someone else. It's not wrong to have a wobble as a result. But try to keep things in perspective, not waste time worrying about him or his wife, and understand that one remote baby doesn't wipe out a 10 - 14 year mother daughter relationship.

I think you and your DDs should plan something nice to do together this weekend. Something nicely grown-up that babies wouldn't enjoy . As you say, it's been a stressful week full of surprises and I think some fun, girly relaxation.... how about all getting sparkly nails done?!!.... might be just the ticket.

NiceCupOfTeaAndASitDown · 31/07/2012 15:10

You poor thing, of course you are frightened - you're human. You shouldn't have asked the question but I think it's a bit of a compulsive moment, you wanted them to say "of course not Mum, we'll always want to spend more time with you - but I'm a big believer in only asking questions when you are able to handle all possible answers.

You've been through a lot and a fair amount of stuff recently too. I can only imagine how hard its been but I think all you can do is keep doing what you're doing in being the best mum you can be, your children will recognise your effort in the end and as much as they should be protected if they're in danger, let them find out for themselves what a douche your ex is, you'll only come off as the bad guy if you try and turn them against him.

I think you should see your GP for your PTSD and negative feelings if you haven't already. It's important to look after yourself so you can be there for the children.

I know you may be feeling a little jealous of this OW but honestly she's done you a favour, you've got 2 (from the sounds of it great) girls and you're long shot of the complete waste of space known as their father. You've got the better deal :)

Restart · 31/07/2012 15:25

thank you both. I know I am well rid of him, he was a passive aggressive bully who treated me like a 2nd class citizen the whole time we were together. The bullyiing became more overt since he left, but he now seems to have rebranded me again and I'm not such a demon any more. I have to be careful to keep my boundaries up with him as he no doubt has an agenda.
The girls are so entitled to be excited about the baby, I feel so awful for making them feel guilty about that. it is my own insecurity which is driving this and I will have to work hard to get it in check. I was handling things so well until today, but seem to have hit a major wobble today.
I've just committed to our new home and cannot take too much of a financial blow, so if he stuffs me about financially it will cause me all kinds of problems. I'm luckier then a lot of people as i have managed to get us a house, but I have had so much upheaval, I thought we were finally getting to a point where we would have peace. I think I'm also just pissed off that I seem to sufffer all the consequences for their choices, while they carry on unscathed, it doesn't matter who they trample or hurt they continue to live charmed lives. While I'm sitting here, with my two kids in bed worried sick about having upset them tonight, and what this will all mean for them.

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blueglue · 31/07/2012 15:29

The baby will be the ow's own - will make her less likely to want your babies - ie she will not want to take them off you.

Agree with other poster - she has done you a favour taking that shitbag xh off you. It's only a matter of time before he treats her the same way. When she has her own baby, she may realise how appallingly she behaved by conducting the affair with your h.

Try not to panic, you are a nice mum and your girls know deep down that you are the one that they can rely on even if they don't say it and are caught up in the excitement of a new baby.

Shinyshinyface · 31/07/2012 15:56

I really feel for you. I understand your fears and insecurities so well. My exH left me and my 3 children for OW and her 4, younger children. My first fear was that they would have another baby but that's not going to happen. Then I was so worried that my 3 would love going over to their house so much because it was more vibrant, lively and exciting than our quiet, reduced little family. That was not the case at all either...I needn't have worried on that score either as it's a house of tension and chaos that my 3 hate to visit. anyway, that's another story.

I think you'll find that things will change when the baby actually arrives. They will become a little family unit and it's possible your ex will not have as much time for his own girls. This has happened to many friends of mine. Babies change things.

Try not to worry too much now...keep talking it through with your girls so they're not afraid to bring up the subject with you. Encourage their relationship with their dad because there may come an unimaginable day when you're actually having to force him to spend time with them. Never never ever thought that would be me!

Take care x

Shinyshinyface · 31/07/2012 15:59

I think I'm also just pissed off that I seem to sufffer all the consequences for their choices, while they carry on unscathed, it doesn't matter who they trample or hurt they continue to live charmed lives. While I'm sitting here, with my two kids in bed worried sick about having upset them tonight, and what this will all mean for them.

This used to be me too. I wouldn't worry about that either...people who build their happiness on other people's misery often end up paying the price in one way or another. I hated my ex and OW for blithely making decisions that completely changed the lives of 9 other people! Well they are incredibly unhappy now...not that that makes it better of course.

raskolnikov · 31/07/2012 19:56

I can relate so easily to your situation, having been there myself and had exactly the same worries and doubts that you are experiencing. I have to say that whilst things may be looking rosy for them on the outside I can imagine that they definitely are not in actuality.

After 15 years of marriage and 3 kids, now all teenagers, my ex had an affair with a secretary at work. They now have a lovely, newly decorated house and 1 and 2 year old babies. He's late 40s and has always been short-tempered and works very long hours. My children were excited about the new babies, but the novelty wore off very quickly when they went to spend the weekend - DS2 said she never stopped crying and he could never get back to sleep. Now they're trying to do the family holiday with 5 kids in a camper van in the west country - good luck to them.

A year or so down the line I'm sure you'll find your DDs appreciate you so much more for the effort you put into your relationship with them and, if he's true to form, he'll return to his old ways and your girls will see beneath the glossy surface.

Good luck x

Restart · 01/08/2012 13:03

Thanks again. It is such a roller coaster. My fear of abandonment is distorting a lot of this for me. I grew up with parents that treated me as disposable and taught me that love was absolutely conditional on compliance, this has been reconfirmed to me by my ex. I don't lay the blame entirely on him for that, because I think the modeling my parents did for me when I was a child meant that I had no idea what a healthy relationship was and how to behave in one. If I had, I would never have entered in to a relationship with him. That said, I have two very wonderful kids and I am thankful every day for that. Today I feel a lot stronger and more secure. I know the insecurity will return in waves, much the way that grief does. When I have PMS it will be blown right out of proportion. I am so afraid of them just not loving me any more. It must seem like such an irrational fear to so many people, that a mother would doubt the love of her children. However, because my own relationship with my mother broke down it looms as an ever present danger for me. My ex seems to exude enough nice guy persona to cover a lot of his less savoury attributes, he makes much of the gestrures he's prepared to make, but on closer examination everything he offers to do for others benefits him the most. I worry that the strain on me will make me drive my kids away. That is why I am venting here, to try to get all these fears out of the shadowy recesses of my mind, put them out in the open and hopefully find that in full light they are not so scary after all. I am improving my self esteem, and my confidence as a person and a parent, I feel the slow steady progress I've been making. When I have one of these wobbles, I can't begin to tell you how much I appreciate and benefit from the support on these forums. x

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TittyWhistles · 01/08/2012 13:06

Be cool. Be cool. That's my only advice!

Restart · 01/08/2012 16:20

tw that is probably about the best advice anyone could give! thanks

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