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Has this friendship run its course?

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drcrab · 30/07/2012 15:53

We have these friends who were/are very good friends of ours. We used to be neighbours until about a year ago when they moved (up the road) and then we moved (across town). When they were our neighbours they used to pop round for a cuppa tea every week and every so often for dinner. We had one then 2 children so usually it was them coming over to ours (which is not a problem, we were happy feeding another 2 mouths). I'd say that in the 7 years we'd been neighbours we've probably been to their house for dinner the grand total of one/two times. A couple of times for a beverage, but usually 90% of the time they were at ours.

Then when they moved up the road, they still popped in and kept in touch because they still had to walk past our house to the bus stop/shops etc so we'd still see them. They also got pregnant (all planned etc).

We then moved across town. And because they don't drive, we don't see them anymore (because it would take 2 busses to get to ours). When she was in labour, they rang my DH and he then drove over to theirs, picked them up, brought them to the hospital (30 min away). Drove back. And then drove back again (same night) to pick the husband up as she'd already given birth and he was kicked out. Next day, drove back to drop the husband off.

We popped round to see them when they were ready (1-2 weeks post birth) and cooed over baby etc. All fine. We've since seen them once - in 7 months.

We are really busy with 2 kids (of whom the older one who's 4 recently had a bout of bad health - ending up with a 2 week stay in hospital, now on steriods so reduced immunity etc), and full time work for both of us. On the weekends, we have children's classes (swim, music etc) and then food shopping (although we do quite abit of online shopping too). We don't have family nearby either so the kids are with us all the time. We do make an effort to meet up with other friends who have children the children's age (and to be fair, these tend to be nursery friends of my children's) but life gets so hectic that we've just been swept away really.

DH and I did talk about this and DH said 'oh, we can have them round for dinner/lunch'. And I was agreeable to it, until DH said 'oh, I'll go pick them up'. I think that's incredibly generous of my DH but I think it's a bit mad - to cook a meal, pick them up, send them home....?! or am I being abit tight?

when we met the last time, it was lunch in town. fine for an hour. and because they hardly eat out I felt guilty about getting them out.

I'm just wondering whether as a result of them not driving, that this is the end of the friendship then? I think it's a ridiculous reason for a friendship to die, but on the other hand, I don't want to have to ferry them around (that'll mean having to have 2 cars!) or have to ferry them to my house so that we can have a chat and some food (because they don't seem to have any toys out - their child is much younger so the types of toys would also be much younger/limited). I could suggest popping up and bring my own food and toys (for my kids)??

I have to add that I have friends who don't drive or who live further afield. But we all seem to have the same sort of thinking - like those who don't drive tend to invite us round to theirs and we have a playdate (say 10-12, or 3pm onwards) and there's usually food (spag bol, sandwiches, fish fingers etc). Same for those who live further. Same for when I have the kids over at our house. I tend to prepare food at least snacky stuff if not lunch/dinner type things. Even if there's no food involved there tends to be a cuppa tea on offer. could it be that this is a young baby family thing - where they only have a 7 month old who basically doesn't do much. and say if we were to revisit this situation a year from now, their living room will be strewn with toys and they'll be used to the 'playdate' concept and offer food/toys as we do?

Sorry this is such an epic post. thanks for reading thus far.

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girlywhirly · 30/07/2012 17:24

If they really wanted to see you, they would. They could get buses or taxi. I think they were taking advantage, happy enough for you to entertain, make meals and give lifts, but have not done the same amount of entertaining you even when they lived close.

How much do they keep in touch with you in other ways, because if they don't make any effort and it's always you calling them I think it's very unbalanced and I'd be inclined to let it go.

drcrab · 30/07/2012 17:30

thanks for your reply. I'm off to pick the kids up from nursery now. but yes I was thinking along the same lines but I need to know if I'm being tight or awkward.

Just realised that on another occasion, we did pick a friend (and her DH and DD) up to come to our house for a dinner and they stayed till real late. They called for a taxi to get home even though we could have in theory sent them home. they had also brought a tonne of food with them to share with us. So I thought that was fair!

ps: I know this post sounds v much like I'm food obsessed but I'm not really!! Grin

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littlebluechair · 30/07/2012 17:37

Hi, I have friends who drive and I don't, and tbh if they didn't pick me up I probably wouldn't see them anywhere near as often as I do. It is offputtimg having to put kids to bed, rush like mad, get two buses, be out for 1.5 hours, rush off, two buses home, less sleep, up at 5:30 with ds2.

If you like them, pick them up. If you get something out of the friendship, just do it. If they are selfish bastards or takers, then don't, but if they are good friends who you genuinely like, and who do give you something as well (not just takers) then don't be hung up on the lift aspect.

Some people are more dedicated about friendships than others, I am a bit of a lazy arse with general socialising tbh, but if a friend needed a hand I would be there like a shot.

HeathRobinson · 30/07/2012 17:56

But you're only across town, I can't understand why they wouldn't walk/bus/taxi to see you, or host at home. Confused

littlebluechair · 30/07/2012 18:00

Some people don't really like having people over. They have messy houses or get too stressed or whatever. Friendships must be beneficial in both directions but they don't have to be exact trade off e.g. alternate dinners.

drcrab · 30/07/2012 18:37

I get the no need for exact trade offs. Wasn't really heading in that direction. Another thing that recently happened (this has opened up my memories!!) - dh rang the husband up to ask if he had some tool that dh could borrow. The guy said he'd check and see but didn't sound like he wanted to lend it tbh.

Anyway I told dh to ask another friend. Said friend immediately said yah you come borrow it and off dh went. V grateful. Just realized that the husband didn't even get back to us as to whether he even had it.

And this sort of thing has happened consistently. They'd ring and ask to borrow lawnmower and other big tools. We'd say yah sure and bring it across or say sure come get it. If we wanted something it'll usually be a 'Erm lemme check. Ok you can borrow it but next week...'. He wants a ride to the DIY shop, dh will say sure! In an hour? If we need to pop round for something it's rarely a 'sure come'!

I'm by no means house proud - and they aren't that bothered either by what I can tell.

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Megan74 · 30/07/2012 22:17

They are takers.Either you accept it and balance that against what you gain from their friendship or let them move on.We have friends a little like this but I enjoy their company when we see them. I see less of them than I did as it used to annoy me that things were so one sided. I see them because we invite them over and I enjoy their company but don't expect a return invite and therefore leave it a while before we see them again.We all have our oddities.

QuintessentialShadows · 30/07/2012 22:21

If they were really keen, they would invite you.

I have a feeling that you were a convenience friendship for them. They were getting a lot out of it, dinners, tea, and offered nothing really in return.

Yes, it has run its course.

Megan74 · 30/07/2012 22:22

And another thing, I don't consider these people to be the 'call in an emergency' type of friends. There are different levels of friendships in my head, and the ones I would do anything for and I know would return the favour fullfill the things I consider to be important in friendships. Those that are not as close don't fulfill these things and are therefore on a diiferent level.I am now making myself sound a bit odd but what I am trying to say is,we all have different ideas of friendship and what that means and what we would do to maintain it. Some people are going to have such different ideas that they will never be your close friend but that doesn't mean to say they are not your friend.

littlebluechair · 30/07/2012 22:24

OK, so it sounds like you think they are takers - in which case just quietly stop inviting them.

familyscapegoat · 31/07/2012 00:55

I think they are three things: takers, lazy and tight.

It just doesn't cut it to say 'I don't drive' ......... and then expect people to ferry you around. What travel plans would they have made to get the DH to the hospital if your husband hadn't been around?

It's also not fair to accept other people's hospitality all the time and never offer anything in return.

Often people like this are just too lazy to prepare a meal and tidy up the house, but I think these two sound stingy as well, otherwise it would make far more sense for them to invite you to their house for a get-together, as they don't drive.

If you like them for other qualities, I think I'd be honest with them that the friendship needs to be conducted on a more reciprocal basis from now on. If on the other hand you get the impression that they offered friendship only when they got something out of it that they had no intention of returning, I'd phase them out and stop arranging things. If they phone you and ask to come round and be picked up, just say "actually it would make much more sense if we came to you".

drcrab · 31/07/2012 11:04

thanks everyone for your posts. I think it's a case of I'm going to leave the friendship as it is now. And if it picks up, it picks up. If it doesn't then well, that's it then.

It was my birthday recently and we always (for the last 7 years) celebrated it together. Nothing fancy, sometimes a cake at ours, or a meal out or something. I received a card. Her birthday was earlier in the year - we couldn't meet up exactly that weekend as we were away for a few weeks but the first weekend we had free, we met up (hence that one meeting in 7 months) and we got her a present and a card (frankly, the point of meeting up was the giving of the present thing).

Don't read this the wrong way - I don't have a problem with not receiving a present - it's just that the practice had been going on for so long now that I would have thought that my birthday (be it that weekend or another) would have been an opportunity to 'meet up', iyswim.

I guess that's the message I needed.

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