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maintanance question

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NettleTea · 20/07/2012 21:43

Split up with EA, VA and FA ex about 10 years ago after a pretty horrifying marriage. DD was just 2 at the time. Realised the full extent of his abuse thanks to mN in last couple of years and accept that he is, most probably, a narc.
For 2 years he did the expected messing around with contact with DD, arranging and cancelling, turning up late and screaming abuse if i called to see where he was, the predicted game. He had made great claims as to what he would give me as maintanance, but in reality I kept a tally and after 2 years it was a third of what he had offered (which I hadnt thought he would actually be able to afford, but he ho) And he had seen her about 20 times in those 2 years if I recall....
Then DD was diagnosed with a condition which meant that I had to change from being a full time student to a part time student, and applied for JSA which, at that time, meant that I had to then involve the CSA. Ex was not impresssed and didnt believe me when I told him I had no choice (a pattern, as he tended never to believe a word I said, even though I had never been proven to lie and he was almost compulsive in that respect)
anyways, he was self employed at the time and they calculated the grand sum of £5 a week. he never paid. they ammassed arrears but nothing much ever seemed to be done about it.
In 2006 something happened which meant that contact was stopped, and as he refused to deal with it he ended up not seeing her until 2010. During this time he went abroad for about 9 months and I only knew he was back because I suddenly noticed csa payments coming into my account for the first time. he was signing on. More stuff happened and eventually we managed to get to court and he started supervised contact with dd and my mum. Supposedly every 2 weeks, but probably averages out at every 3 weeks. Started around June 2010. A little way in he started giving dd some money when he saw her, and shortly my mum took the money to give to me towards maintanance. Some of the time he was signing on and i got CSA, some of the time he wasnt and I didnt. I know nothing about his work situation there are suspicions of some dodgy dealings and he always runs a car/has cash/holidays/private doc appointments, etc.
Recently CSA have been in touch with me. He has signed off and I guess they want to calculate his wages and make him start paying the arrears. He has told them that he has been giving me money, and I sent the court order and worked out about how much he had given me, and they have taken it off the arrears. He wants to pay me direct. He has told my mum that he wants to give me £20 a week, as thats what he gives the mum of his other kid, if he can afford it.
Twice now my mum has said I need to let him pay me direct, and when I have said I would rather have CSA deal with it she has got all cats bum mouth and said 'well I will keep out of it'
I tried to explain that he isnt really giving me any 'extra' as what he gives me is just clearing nearly 6 years of arrears. She and him are a bit buddy buddy, although she likes to laugh at him and point out his failings. All I want is for him to be nice to DD, and she seems happy to see him with the current set up.
Now he has texted me and asked if my mum has spoken about the money. i think I am being reasonable in just wishing to keep it with the CSA. I assume if I stop that, then I will lose the chance of EVER getting any arrears back, and tbh the amounts are so paultry given dd is starting secondary school, I think its more the principle at stake here than the money.
Im not sure i trust him to pay maintanance reliably. I dont see why I should write off what he didnt bother to pay. I dont really want to have to deal or not deal with him, and I would rather he didnt make himself feel like the big man giving my mum £20 quid when he sees dd, and that they just collect it directly on my behalf. I dont have contact with him, so I guess I will have to face my mothers disapproval and CBM again, and tell her I am quite happy with the csa doing it. But think it might blow up in my face
I dont really know what I am asking. Maybe just a reassurance that its OK not to do what other people seem to want me to do....

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foolonthehill · 20/07/2012 21:55

Hi nettle you should (IMHO) stick with the CSA. And it really isn't any of your mum's business.....

If you go to a private arrangement it will be hard to get money if he signs on again and I would bet my bottom dollar that he won't even be thinking about the arrears.

Sometimes other people are just wrong!

NettleTea · 20/07/2012 22:03

It just makes me laugh that he made this big show of giving me 'extra' money, but as soon as CSA started wanting info from him he used that 'extra' to try to wriggle out of paying what he owed.
Thats what I cant get her to see, the way he has done it, and the way its been taken off his arrears (AND I was fair and told them he had been abroad for 9 months, so they took that amount off too) he hasnt given me anything. He probably still owes me £700. Not a huge amount but its the bloody principle.

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foolonthehill · 20/07/2012 22:19

actually...could buy quite a few pairs of school shoes with £700...so plenty!!

Hope you can make some headway nettle. I don't think the CSA are perfect but they are a darn sight less stressful than our exs to deal with!

kinkyfuckery · 20/07/2012 22:31

Definitely keep it to the CSA. It is none of your mum's business. Tell him to stop speaking to your mum about it and if he has any questions or anything to tell you, he can do it directly to you or your solicitor.

NaturalNatures · 20/07/2012 23:22

Do not in any way at all leave the CSA.

My ex pulled this trick on me and scarpered. CSA pissed themselves laughing.

Your DD won't see a penny if you leave the CSA.

If he was reliable and without arrears I'd think differently but he's not so stick with the little you are getting.

If you get the cats bum from anyone tell them you'd rather keep the financial side of it away from the personal side of it.

Sounds like he's manipulating your mum too so I'd be careful with her around him iyswim.

msrantsalot · 20/07/2012 23:25

After 3 years of nothing CSA has got me my £20 a week and £20 a week towards arrears, so keep with them

MushroomSoup · 21/07/2012 13:47

For God's sake stay with the CSA! This isn't a money issue for him but a control one. Dig your heels in!

NettleTea · 22/07/2012 21:08

well, I told my mum I was going to stay with the CSA, and he had texted her to ask what was happening, and we had a chat and she fully understood my reasons why I wanted to keep it that way, and supported that. I said that at the end of the day I will probably end up with less than he pays for his DS, and less than he was giving more recently. my mum pointed out that she wondered why he felt is was OK to pay £20 a week for his DS who is 4, whereas he paid half that amount - which he claimed back off the arrears - for his DD, but I said I didnt really care, we have done without his money for so long I am not going to be jumping with joy for the crumbs off his table.

So she texted him that I wanted to stay with the CSA, and he got a right strop on, and texted her back that I would get what they assessed and nothing more. Although my mum did then text him further to say that was fine, but that he would have to pay the arrears as well, and CSA would collect that too, and that the money he has given over the last couple of years was only reducing what he owed me, not actually paying anything towards her keep.

I suspect one issue might be because his 'cousin' is giving him money at the moment and he is not signing on, and CSA are chasing him for details of who he works for. I dont know which supposed cousin this is. I doubt its on the books. I suspect it isnt even legal (he has history) and I expect thats opening up a whole can of worms that he doesnt want opened.

he always seems to have money though, he drives a car and has a decent flat, he can afford to jet off to Egypt and Spain at the drop of a hat, and he has a wallet full of cash.....

He may well end up really shooting himself in the foot with DD though, as he has promised her a laptop before she starts secondary school in Sept, and she totally is convinced that she will have it. Myself, Im not so sure.

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