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The stress is winning right now...

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timefliesby · 18/07/2012 21:50

I'm a mum to a 21 month old and a 3 1/2 year old. My ex partner moved me north with our two children just over a year ago for a business venture, 3 hrs from London where i had lived for 13 years. It meant moving away from my work contacts and meant I wouldn't be able to return to ex-employers when DD was older (we moved when she was six months old). We moved initially to a rental and then six months later into the house we had renovated together. I designed the kitchen and walked to the site every day with the kids strapped in the buggy to see progress and help with decisions. My ex had always had funny turns but it got worse once we moved. He refused to use his office saying it was cold and sat at the kitchen table all day with his back to me. He said nothing was mine because I didn't contribute financially. (I realised after we split up that I had contributed several thousand pounds to the everyday living costs through my freelance work.) He put the house in his name and we're not married because despite promising it, he never asked me. He said I didn't clean enough, that I wasn't his equal, that I didn't have aspirations etc. Our house was actually clean considering we have two toddlers, I found p/t freelance work, I designed the marketing collateral for his new business, I did the flyers for my son's preschool and I did the majority of the childcare for what were two very young children at the time.
Eventually, I decided I would just need to find more work as the money situation was being flung in my face regularly despite my ex being actually very well off. So I put DD in a creche for 3 hours and I did some quotes for a potential new client. When I told my ex, he went mental about me putting her in childcare for 3 hrs (she was 20 months old by this point and I paid for it) accused me of just drinking coffee and putting my feet up and cut a long story short, he threatened and intimidated me for two weeks telling me to leave until, with two upset children, I did just that. I fled to my mum's house two hours south. Four days after I left, with several bags still packed, he filed an emergency residency order saying I had "kidnapped the kids". I got 24 hrs notice of a court hearing. I had to find a solicitor in one afternoon and ended up with one an hour's drive from home. I got my mum to babysit and I spent an afternoon filling in forms to get it delayed. Two weeks later, we went to court and the judge threw the emergency application out (which would have meant the police would have come round to my mum's house and taken the kids back to their dad), and he put it to a contested residency hearing. A week before the hearing my ex supposedly agreed to an access agreement, but when we went to court, he said he'd changed his mind. As the courts thought it was all agreed, they'd only allocated 15 minutes. So then it was listed again for the 30th July. I have now submitted my witness statement. My ex, meanwhile is paying me £19 a week for two children and he is on Match.com as single with no kids. I have no doubt that his custody battle is just about power and intimidation because he is now down in London every other week seeing friends and spending lots of money whilst I scrimp and save to feed our kids. So I think having two toddlers to look after would seriously cramp his style.
Work wise, I have now got a new client and we are just about holding it together, although I worry about money constantly and we can't move out of my mum's. The childcare to cover half my work in the holidays is going to be c£500 (the rest of my work I will do in the evening so as to actually earn something).
Everyone thinks I am okay, but I don't think I am? I feel numb and then I have these outbursts and I'm trying to be a good mum but my DS is 3 and he is really hard work and challenging in his behaviour with everything going on. And he says he wants his daddy sometimes (he sees him every other week for three nights). And just after he comes back from his he is really unsettled and tantrums a lot and doesn't look me in the eye and just seems to really not respect me. And I end up yelling at him and putting him on the naughty step all the time and I just don't think I'm doing it right. I love him so much and I feel like a bad mum. I've ordered "Raising Boys" and something else. But it's all getting too much. I'm worried about court, about my son, about money about being on my own. I can't share anything with my ex for fear of it being used against me in court. So I can't say, "you know his pre-school teachers said he was badly behaved today and I don't know what to do"...And then I have nights like tonight, where I can't stop crying and honestly, the odd suicidal thought crosses my mind but I can't do that because of the kids can I?
I don't know how my life became such a car crash and I know I'm lucky, my kids are beautiful, no one died, I don't live in Sierra Leone, I'm in my 30's and I should just get on with it, but I am really, really struggling right now and I just don't know what to do. Thanks.Sorry, I just realised how long this is.

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Mysaucepansdontmatch · 18/07/2012 22:04

Hey, you sound like the kind of woman I want to be.

Keep on keeping on, you are doing great x

Your kids will treasure you one day.

LifeHope11 · 18/07/2012 22:10

I am sorry you are having such a hard time. I'm afraid I don't have any specific advice but hang in there, things WILL get better for you in time. In the meantime, you should be very proud of yourself for how you are coping, keep going and hold your head high!

sadwidow28 · 18/07/2012 22:14

Bumping for more posters with experience of this.

The "Raising Boys" book is excellent IMO. I bought it because my widowed SIL has been raising her 12 yo son alone since he was 5yo and I support her with over-night weekend / mid-week childcare whenever I am needed. (I have him for 9 days starting on Friday). We have noticed that he tries to manipulate us against each other - and is quite controlling of his Mum with the "I don't want to do that" stuff. So please don't think that you are doing anything wrong at all. Children test their boundaries even when there are 2 supportive parents, or two very supportive adults (like my SIL and myself).

You do have too much responsibility and stress at the moment nd you must feel like you are treding water.

Have you got the number for The Samaritans in your phone? When you feel the suicidal thoughts coming on, you need to speak to a real person - cry and sob if necessary.

Have you booked an appointment with your GP? There may be some temporary help that you can get (ADs) and some regular counselling will certainly help.

I'll hand over to the experts now.

I am here to hold your hand if you need me.

kittybiscuits · 18/07/2012 22:25

Omg OP no wonder you feel numb and lost. What an utter bastard. I think you are amazing to be taking steps so get back on your feet after being turned over by such a nasty piece of work. Is there anyone you can trust to talk to about how you're feeling? For RL support? And have you been to see your GP? It's probably time to take that step now and get some therapy if it's available. Maybe anti-depressants are an option. This will take time to recover from, but I think you are doing amazingly well in a hellish situation. So sorry you are finding things so hard right now x

timefliesby · 18/07/2012 22:32

Thank you all. sadwidow I'm looking forward to getting "Raising Boys" it is my son that tips me over the edge with the tantrums when I'm feeling fragile. So I'm really hoping it helps. I've thought about the doctor. I always look fine to everyone else though. The health visitor just came and said "you're doing great" and I don't know if it's a pride thing but I just say "okay thanks"! I'll go and see what they say.

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kittybiscuits · 18/07/2012 22:40

You are doing great, and you might still need some help. Sometimes it's a good idea to write down what's troubling you before seeing the GP, so that you don't chicken out of being honest if they say you're doing fine. Be factual, eg I cry for long periods of time, or about feeling despairing at times. They are normal responses to very difficult life events. One day this will be part of your distant past. You won't think about it often and when you do, you will be relieved to be rid of such a vile person in your life. It will be really hard to imagine that now, but it will come. It's really obvious how resourceful you are. Do seek help. It will help you get there more quickly x

timefliesby · 18/07/2012 22:42

Thanks Kittybiscuits, I will do.

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Mumsyblouse · 18/07/2012 22:42

You are an amazing woman and completely made the right judgement call in getting the hell out of there and going to your mums. You have all these opportunities in front of you as you are entrepreneurial and go-getting (unlike your ex).

However, no wonder you are starting to crack a bit round the edges. You must be mentally and physically exhausted, with working, two very little ones, living in what may be a temporary situation, fighting a court battle.

You must go and see your GP and tell him or her the truth: you are a fighter but you are really not coping right now, and need some help (counselling, AD's, to let a health professional know what is going on).

I have no doubt that in a few years time you will look back at this dip in your life (with your lovely, but older and at school boys) and be so glad you set both them and yourself on this path, but right now, it's hard. Don't be afraid to tell people like your friends and family and the health visitor the truth; you need a bit of help right now.

I am not surprised that your son's tantrums are too much for you, I found my eldest three year old very difficult and pushed me emotionally to places I really found difficult, she was just so stubborn and difficult at times and would not give in. But, it passed, and we got through it, just as you will and there are happier times around the corner. Good luck.

Confuseddd · 18/07/2012 22:46

What an absolute horrible b***d your ex sounds. He can't hack an adult relationship obviously, and has been deliberately cruel. You are dealing with the day to day singlehanded, plus the emotional fall out from living with an abuser. Get down the GP and ask for referral to counselling. Also, there are nutritional supplements you can take that are calming and help with anxiety, but don't have side effects of anti-deps - 5-HTP, DLPA, GABA. They may help.

Vent here. God, How horrible your ex sounds. I am angry on your behalf just reading it.

Brew for you x

sadwidow28 · 18/07/2012 22:54

Okay, I'll share a bit more......

LNs Mum and I 'made allowances' because LN was a bereaved child. (He did have counselling when he lost his Daddy btw) and we rue the day that we ever started on that road. We should have done what you are doing - setting the home parameters and expectations. If I 'told' LN off, he would phone his Mum to 'report me' (Lol). If Mum told him off then he would say "Send me to Aunty Sadwidow". We were both fragile also because she had lost her husband and I had lost my youngest brother.

In our fragility we allowed LN to take a control over us that we are now trying to fix. This was compounded when LN's Mum got breast cancer 2 years ago and we thought he would be orphaned (more couselling sessions for LN). Interestingly, he told the counsellor that he would want to come and live with my dog if anything happened to Mummy. (See? He couldn't say that he wanted to come to live me me!)

You are being remarkable. Can you try some positive reinforcement rather than the 'naughty step'. Reward the good behaviour that you would like to see more of rather than punish the bad behaviour that you want eliminated?

Try the 1-2-3 technique before DS is put on the naughty step.

  • Naughty behaviour starts
  • ONE! I don't want you to do that because.......
  • Naughty behaviour continues
  • TWO! If you don't stop that [naughty behaviour] you will have to go on the naughty step.
  • Naughty behaviour continues
  • THREE! You are now going on the naughty step for 3 minutes (1 minutes for each year) so that you can think about what I said.

I have a variation of this because I don't have a naughty step/place for LN (and I don't believe in making a bedroom a place of punishment)

I do the 1-2-3 strategy with 'getting my cross voice out of the box'.

timefliesby · 21/07/2012 11:36

Thanks everyone for the help. Sadwidow I had an extraordinary day with my kids yesterday. I've been reading "How to talk so kids listen". I stopped myself denying his feelings all day "You can't be hungry you've just eaten" sort of thing and the tantrums were much better. But the truly amazing thing is he told me he loved me three times and at the end of the day he said "I had a really nice day mummy". I was made up. This morning he came in to my room at 5am (argh) and said he'd had a dream and he told me in great detail about this dream. He said he woke up and he didn't know where he was, that it wasn't his home and he couldn't find me. And I said to him if we're in a strange place, he doesn't need to worry because I will always be there for him & if I'm
not there, daddy will be. I really feel he's starting to open up. Today was pick up day (we have an interim access agreement), my little boy said to me "Mummy I'll do some magic so daddy will let you come too". I have never said to him why I can't go back or blamed my ex and up to now, he's always blamed me, because my ex does tell him its my fault. When he says to me "you don't let me see daddy" I always just say "that's not the case, you're seeing him on *" He seems to have now come to his own conclusions that it might not actually be true. Anyway it's been a good 24hrs, although I find the pick up devastating and utterly confusing and I am sure we'll have gone ten steps back when I see them again. But there is a chink of light now.

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mummytime · 21/07/2012 12:14

Yesterday is a reason why star charts can be good. The best way to use them is to find 10 good things your child does everyday, and put a star on for each one. The challenge is that it is your responsibility to find the good things, so you may have to really hunt. But it does help you: a) see that they do do some good things, b) pay attention to them being good, not just bad.
You are doing really well. It is tough, but long term you will have the DCs far more than your ex.

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