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Uh oh MIL troubles, advice needed please!

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mangomadness · 18/07/2012 09:49

Firstly I'm on my phone so apologies for any strange spelling etc!

Basically I can't stand MIL and don't want her near me. She's very nearly pushed me over the edge into PND and my marriage has become shaky because of her. DH knows that she is a problem but won't, or can't, really do anything. My DD is 8 weeks old, our first child.

She is extremely overbearing and controlling. For example at 6 months pg with SPD I was made to go to her house and with DH cook lunch for FIL birthday. My dogs had to go to even though one of them had terrible car sickness, she'd vomit at least 3 times on a 15 min journey. I really didn't want to as I felt rotten but was made to go by DH who'd been guilt tripped by his mum. I was told that I'd have to tell my late fiancee's mother that I was pg. I thought it was none of MIL business and she should keep her nose out. Nearly MIL has contact with MIL as she sees her at gym.

Before DD was born I was informed that MIL would be first in the room to see me, straight away, then DH was handed a list of times it was ok to phone to tell her I'd given birth. DH stood up to her a little bit and said that she could only come once me and baby were ok. But she told him that was rubbish.

Maybe I should say that DH is not close to his family, prefers them to keep out of his business etc. Up until recently they seemed to respect this.

MIL tells people who come into her workplace who know DH and me personal details about our lives. I think that this is inappropriate, I don't like it as if I wanted them to know I'd tell them myself. It's like she has to have ownership of my life.

When they came to visit at the hospital she came charging at me whilst I was feeding DD, luckily I'd grabbed a muslin, and tried to snatch het off me!

She phoned our house 6 times a day when we were home even though DH had said that we wanted some quiet and we'd be in touch. Then phonecalls demanding taking our dog out started! Bearing in mind she'd seen DD lots. It was then said that I'd never let her see DD once DH went back to work. Several other nasty comments were made about me. She has a GS born a week before DD.who lives hundreds of miles away and she doesn't pull this shit on them.

Whenever she sees DD she pokes her to get her to open her eyes for a photo. She pulled up a chair and sat leaning over DD shouting and poking at her for her photo! She gave DD and me tonsillitus. This has resulted in DD being taken to emergency docs 3 times as she was struggling to breathe, she's had oral thrush for the past 4/5 weeks due to me having to have antib's. It damned near finished me off having to bf when I was so physically weak I couldn't pick her up. She refused to leave our house unless she got to hold DD. They were here for over a hour even though I kept saying how tired I was. Out of earshot of DH she made bitchy comments to me that I was too shocked by to reply. Such as "well maybe I'll recognise her next time I get to see her". It had been two days! She'd seen her on Mon and this was said on weds.

She's been trying to drive a wedge inbetween DH and myself. Making out that I'm evil and irrational. Convinced DH that he should make me take DD to a late evening concert when she's poorly. I told him to fuck off and no way was she being taken out in the wet to be in a cold church with loud music. I also told him to go back and live with his bloody mother as he obviously values her over me and DD.

There's lots more but she's ruined my first month of motherhood. Phonecalls at 11 at night demanding to come around the next day!

DH is so overpowered by her that he can't see that anything's wrong. In all honesty they don't have much to offer my DD, all they do is sit and watch tv. That's not what I want for my child.

I was told last night that I have to see her. I don't want to.

How do I cope? How do I get DH to put us first?

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mangomadness · 19/07/2012 21:49

This thread has helped me sort my head out. The problem is that DH is spineless when it comes to her.

The suggestion of having her around for food actually made me feel sick! It's very obvious now that I don't want her in MY home.

DH had no problem with banning my DM from our home and not seeing her when she and I had fallen out. He refused to see her even after I'd made up with her and we'd apologised to each other! I respected his wishes. He reacted like that when my DM only hurt me, yet his mother hurts me and DD and he says fuck all to her about it. Also DD is STILL recovering from the virus, she's nearly fought it all off but was very nearly admitted to hospital 2 weeks ago.

There is NO benefit to her being in my life and (here comes the flaming) I don't see any in DDs life. Apart from perfecting how to sit and watch tv for hours on end, not exercise, have poor diet and get associated health problems. Not an influence that's good. I had a very active, outdoor upbringing with lots of stimulation and that's what I (and DH) want for DD. She's never going to meet my entire paternal family nor my maternal aunt; they don't know about her and hopefully never will.

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pumpkinsweetie · 19/07/2012 22:03

Your dh is just like mine, he won't say no to pil either but he is quite happy to say no to me.
They are controlling him and he needs to break free, but if he is anything like my dh he will feel to much guilt to sever ties.
These mad toxic pil take over everything don't they, mine have ruined quite a few of our babies homecomings by making it all about what they want iyswim.
Cant give you any advice as im in the same boat, still waiting to get out!
My relationship is in tatters at the moment because my dh allows them to do what they like even though deep down he knows they are awful

mangomadness · 19/07/2012 23:42

Well I've drawn the line in the sand tonight.

I've, hopefully, made it crystal clear to DH how I feel about MIL. I don't want her in my home, and I definitely don't want her near me. He was defending her until I pointed out that she's said awful things about me to him (he relayed them to me at the time), and I made clear all of the guilt trips and manipulation that she's been undertaking. He's been used by her, which I pointed out, and she's damaged our marriage. He has to man up big time and step up to the plate. For example next time she tells him that if we have another baby that I'll get rid of DD, he should tell her to shut the fuck up, not say that about his wife, that it's out of order and make her apologise; instead of not picking her up on it and letting it slide so she feels free to make other comments. That was said when DD was 10 days old, and was said in all seriousness.

So I will wait and see what happens. I think I've made myself and my position clear. I mentioned that as she has zero respect for me it also means that she has very little respect for him.

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lisaro · 19/07/2012 23:47

Quite honestly it sounds like your problem is your DH. He needs to grow a pair.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 20/07/2012 07:44

wow! I hope your DH steps up. Your MIL is a toxic bitch!

Nanny0gg · 21/07/2012 11:38

Well done.

What was his response?

NarkedRaspberry · 21/07/2012 18:37

Well done.

msrantsalot · 21/07/2012 18:50

Tell your HV how she is stressing you out, and if you do have MIL back make sure health visitor just happens to be popping in at same time. Get HV to tell MIL that dd is sleeping and best not to wake her, poke her, or be a poisonous old boot to yourself.

kickassangel · 21/07/2012 19:18

I agree totally that your dh should be onside with you on this BUT don't forget that the entire formative period of his life he was being controlled/manipulated by her. He probably does think it's easier for everyone else in the entire world to change their behaviour and do what she wants than to stand up to her. If he's willing to change it will still take him time and effort to manage it. He basically needs to re-program himself. How the two of you sort this out is up to you, but I am just wary of people who say 'he does what you want or kick him out'. If only it were that easy.

Listen to people's advice on here, but make decisions based on what is best for you and your family.

mangomadness · 21/07/2012 22:11

I'm going to see what happens. I think he was shocked and thought that I'd suddenly want to be best friends with her. I've made it perfectly clear where I stand on the matter. DD, technically, has family who are never going to know about her as there is no benefit or positive reason for them in her life; DH hadn't actually thought about that, they're all my 'family' who I've cut out of my life. I think the 'but they're family' card gets played too often as a reason for someone toxic being in your life and not getting rid of them.

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mangomadness · 30/07/2012 11:35

I don't know how to handle the situation anymore. She's gone from calling our house to just calling/texting DH but the content hasn't changed. It feels as though he's having an affair! He's hiding stuff from me, late home from work as she demanded that he went there he lied to me about why he was so late back! She is EA towards him and after talking things through yet AGAIN this weekend he does recognise it but feels an obligation to her.

She says jump and everybody around her asks how high and how many times they should jump. DH said that I'm the first person to stand up to her. But it's at the cost of my marriage.

I asked how he'd feel if DD had a MIL how treated her how I have and he said he'd be fuming. However it's fine for me to be treated like this?!

His sister is exactly the same as his mother. She's been a bitch and has done several deliberate, hurtful acts to both of us. Yet she calls him and demands my membership card. No apology, nothing. He doesn't pick her up on it. If it was my sister I'd be asking her if she thought it was out of order. Basically he's a doormat.

I want to stay together as I love him, but don't see how I can at the moment. If he's always going to put his mother above DD and myself then there's no point.

He's still allowing her to dictate, which to me sends her the message that it's ok to treat his wife with contempt.

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DuelingFanjo · 30/07/2012 11:54

you need to deal with your Husband's part in this I think. She has obviously decided to cut you out of the loop by going straight to your husband and he is letting that happen.

Also perhaps you need to step back and see what happens. If she starts trying to get what she wants by excluding you and going through your husband then you can still resist this. If she tries to arrange something regarding your daughter but without speaking to you, you just need to remain strong and explain that she'll really need to re-arrange as you weren't included in the conversation and it's just not convenient. Keep giving out the message that you are the one in charge and the more they try to exclude you the less likely it is that they will get their way.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 30/07/2012 12:32

Toxic In-laws

mangomadness · 30/07/2012 16:18

I think that if he can't stand up for himself or his wife, how can he stand up for our daughter? It's not even about her wanting to see DD now it's about her controlling him. For example making him go to her house for lunch, having to phone everyday. This being the woman who didn't give a shit when he told her he would be losing his job! It's her exerting herself over him and our live. I don't want to live like that.

Just writing this out is helping me, getting my upset out before he comes home!

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mangomadness · 02/08/2012 09:18

He's done it! I'm so happy, feel like a massive weight has been taken off me. After a barrage of messages from her, he politely replied saying that he wanted to concentrate on his little family now. I know it may not sound like a lot, but it's the first step.

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seoladair · 02/08/2012 12:24

That's so great Mango. Your DH sounds a lot like mine. He knows his mother is out of order but always placates her for the sake of an easy life. But he's got me and the baby to think about now too.

This is a major step for your DH - he obviously loves you and wants to put you first, but has to fight against a lifetime of conditioning by his toxic mother.

My ILs were vile to me when my baby was a few weeks old. They have been quite annoying since, but I thought we had reached a point of mutual tolerance. My best friend warned me that these things go in cycles and there would probably be another explosion - and it happened last week, almost exactly a year after the last one.

I hope it will comfort you to keep reminding yourself that they are toxic, and you can't be blamed for their problems. Poor you - keep strong and enjoy your baby.

mangomadness · 03/08/2012 13:31

MIL has clearly gone around telling whoever will listen to her that I'm abusing DH, seriously! But we're ok, DH is actually much happier, he came home at lunch for cuddles with DD instead of having to placate his mother. So she can just go flapping her big mouth as much as she wants to, just reinforces my opinion of her!
I hope your husband manages to break free. I asked DH to think about how he'd feel if some woman did it to DD when she's older and in a relationship, that's what helped him.

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