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Sickaboutdad/roaedkill update and development

19 replies

roadkillbunny · 16/07/2012 13:30

For those that followed my other threads, thank you again for all the support you gave.
Funny thing is I was thinking of posting a little update on how we are doing, how much better I have been in my own head and that all had been quiet apart from a card sent to dd on her birthday (that I opened, put away and dd non the wiser that there ever was one, after today I am glad I have kept it) and my sister again sending birthday gift to dd even though she never has before, I know that these 'gifts' are coming on instruction from 'Mike' but feel that they have me over a barrel on this one :(

So not an hour after I am thinking about maybe posting ds and I are sitting down for our lunch and there is a knock on the door, I answer to a man identifying himself as being from social services. I knew at once it was about 'Mike'. The (very nice and reassuring) man was from the access to records department of my local social services department. 'Mike' and his fancy lawyers paid for by my uncle have requested copies of all the info and records my social services have on us and also the records held by the social services team in the originating county (where the offence in 1969 was committed as they were the referring agency). From that nice man said referring agency went 'not a chance in hell' and so did my social services but as the info is about me and my children and a large part of it supplied by me I get the final say. He had come to deliver me a copy of this information held by my social services and to ask me if I was willing for them to hand over this info. I said not a chance in hell do I want any information released to him! The nice man then said good and if needed he will stand up in court and defend my right to keep this information private. Go team my county social services!!
The nice man then also reconfirmed that the conversation about what would happen if I were to grant access to my children to 'Mike' was still valid (social services would be forced to take action against me) even though his fancy pant legal team have managed to play the system that means that if 'Mike' were to get a CRB check the info wouldn't come up (makes you completely distrust the CRB check system and wonder what the point of it is).
I had wondered what the next move would be, all been quiet for some time. This is just another method of control and intimidation.
What happens now is they write back to fancy pants legal team and say 'get stuffed' and as I want all the paperwork and evidence of things as possible as I don't like the way this feels like it is going (I wouldn't but it past them to legally challenge me for access to the children) and well, I admit, a little playing him at his own game they will also cc me in on that communication and give me copies of the communication they have and will receive from fancy pants legal team (oh how 'Mike' loves to attempt to intimidate with the of 'look who I have cc'ed into this!' trick).
I was shaky at first and I admit I am upset and worried about where this is going. I can't afford a string holding up his pants, in the gutter legal team let alone something that could stand up to fancy pants team. I am going to make sure I have all documents together, print outs from all emails sent to me and that I have sent to him. I feel I need to be prepared. Worried that they will use the breakdown I had last December against me as my uncle knows about it as he helped me out of a hole I found myself in due to being 'absent' mentally for so many months. I have to just hang on and wait and see. I can't change anything that has already happened and I just need to ensure I have my house in order to protect me and my children. Knowing social service are fighting my corner is a huge boost.

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roadkillbunny · 16/07/2012 16:43

Shameless bump as still feeling really shaky, sick and stressed about where this will lead and what his next trick is going to be.
I know this falls into the needy category, I am sorry :(

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hevak · 16/07/2012 16:51

Hello roadkill, sorry I can't offer anything more than a virtual hand to hold. I remember at least one of your previous threads but I don't think I ever posted. FWIW I think you are doing the right thing and you have handled an extremely tough situation with grace and dignity. I'm glad SS are doing the right thing by you.

I hope some better informed posters come along soon.

Guiltypleasures001 · 16/07/2012 16:54

HI RD

I have no idea of of the back story, but just from your post, you sound coherrant, together and gunning for the fight should it happen, low betide
any fuckwit person who trys to get between a mother and her children.

You hang in there babe, and heres a metaphorical hand to hold, and as always MNers have many shoulders to lean on in times of stress and shite trouble

may I end with a you go gf as it seems appropriate xx

RandomMess · 16/07/2012 17:03

Hi, I think I was on this name on your previous threads Confused

I am not surprised you are rattled and social services are clearly on your side. Don't panick but yet get your house in order.

That man sounds more and more like a self important pr*ck who thinks he is above the law and doing this kind of think to try and prove that he is "innocent" even though he isn't.

So sad for you you are not being weak and needy you are wanting support which is completely understandable in the cirumstances hugs.

SherlockGnomes · 16/07/2012 17:16

I don't know your history (any chance of a link?) but from what I can gather you sound like you're doing great!

mummytime · 16/07/2012 17:29

Just hang on to what SS have said. They are not going to let "Mike" have access to your children, whatever "fancy pants" lawyers might try. It isn't just you against "Mike" but the whole of SS too.

People who know about CRBs know they are flawed, however schools have extra checks and balances, and a brief google search should show up information on why "Mike" shouldn't have access to children (especially now) so any decent child protection officer should know why they shouldn't. Of course the RC Church still doesn't seem to totally have its act together on this (and I feel guilty as I have a distant cousin by marriage who works in their legal department, and it's only your case that mademe realise what he is probably working on).

Just keep getting stronger, you are keeping your kids safe. If you ever need legal or other advice do come back, and I'm sure people on MN can help.

sadwidow28 · 16/07/2012 17:37

I do remember your previous threads. I also thought your Mum's post on a blog-spot comment was absolutely 'bang-on-the-button'.

Why they ("Mike" and your Uncle) continue to feel 'entitled' to carry on this unfortunate sage I will never comprehend. You made it clear that you wanted no contact from "Mike". He has been discussed on the internet and he still raises his head above the parapet in your personal life!

Disgusting!!!!!

I am so pleased to hear that SS are batting on your side.

Stay strong - you are a remrkable mother.

roadkillbunny · 16/07/2012 17:46

Thank you for taking the time, I am actually quite angry with myself for how much this has thrown me, thought I was past days like this :(
Still, I have remembered some of the stuff covered in the therapy sessions and also the things I learned through the 'breakdown' and have told a friend about today. As well as peoples support here it has helped. Going to go down to the horses when dh comes home for a bit of horse therapy. We have a new pony coming tomorrow and the old one is moving to a riding school I work at so I am going to go back his bags and get everything ready along with some burying my face in a much loved friends neck. Just what the doctor ordered. Then later will have to talk to my Mum :(

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1221207-Father-admits-sexual-abuse-in-past-new-thread?msgid=29063445

and then

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1383254-sicaboutdad-roadkillbunny-new-thread-very-long-but-if-you-can-please-read?msgid=30067239

allot of reading there, the first thread (well second really as first I had removed as things were moving so swiftly and I was thrown off so badly that everyone involved became ridiculously identifiable) it from the time when everything was moving quickly and things changed quickly, second one is more the aftermath of all that.

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MrsSquirrel · 16/07/2012 18:34

Oh roadkill, so sorry to hear this, especially after you were feeling better.

You are doing all the right things protecting your little ones, so just keep at it.

strawberry17 · 16/07/2012 21:48

I remember your previous threads and often wondered how you were getting on now. So sorry Mike has surfaced again Sad the thing I do remember from your previous threads is how clear thinking and strong you are. It sounds like you are doing all the right things now but not surprisingly it has shaken you to the core.

Eurostar · 16/07/2012 22:12

I was wondering how you are recently. I am sorry that Mike doesn't have the grace to leave you alone. How dreadfully wrong it is of your Uncle to use his money to try and get access for Mike, how dare he take that risk? However strong his denial that his brother is like the men who abused him is, he should not be taking the risk. It's not as if your DC need Mike in their life to enhance their childhood, even if he was no risk. Perhaps because your Uncle has helped you out he feels that he is entitled to make decisions about your life and your family? Stay strong. You know you are breaking the cycle of abuse - and if you do have another down period, better to put your trust in services than your Uncle it would seem.

roadkillbunny · 17/07/2012 23:57

Thank you so much everyone, have had a busy but good day, the only times through the day I thought about it all was when I realised that it wasn't occupying my mind (if that makes any sense). Horse therapy worked a treat last night and I came home feeling so much better, didn't speak to my Mum last night as dh had told his parents about it and fil was worried so I was on the phone to him a while explaining it all and reassuring him that social services weren't investigating us and are backing us up.
Spoke to Mum tonight who is furious that he is doing this and has the same concerns about next steps as I do (we both know him so well and mum went through the whole custody battle with him) although we both know he will never win and social services would kick up a right stink in court over it but is the stress, time, worry and most of all possible effects on the children that we worry worry about although dh put it best when he fumed last night 'never dare to try and come at me through my children', if he starts a battle he wont win and will just come out of it looking like the prick that he is.

sadwidow28 I mentioned your comment about the blogspot post my Mum made to her and she asked me to pass on her thanks, she said it means allot to her that people have seen it and people understood where she was coming from. She doesn't regret posting although it triggered a very nasty email from him but she said she wont be doing it again and it was a result of having fought so long and so hard against Goliath and finally losing composure in a very stressful time. She also knows I can't reply to public things like that as my behaviour must be beyond reproach to protect myself and most of all my family and it upsets her so much at times when people who know nothing of who 'Mike' really is indirectly belittle my experiences at his hand and I am not able to haver my say.
She asked me to say thank you to you and also to everyone else here is have and still are supported me (directly) and her (indirectly), things people have said here have helped us both so very much and given us strength. I often share things the people have said here and observations people have made and it has been hugely valuable in the effort to deal with this and try and more on.
So thank you all and do do ask very humbly for your continues help and support.

I am off to bed, hopefully I can sleep as well as I did last night although big day tomorrow, going to start getting to know and seeing what our new pony is capable of but most of all I have to get ready to pack the other pony off, his bags are packed, his space at the other place sorted and tomorrow I am doing the pony equivalent of sending one of my children off to boarding school for the first time... gulp!

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holyShmoley · 18/07/2012 08:31

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roadkillbunny · 19/07/2012 21:49

My Mum called me today, she has obviously had things on her mind (probably more so then me, I have been very occupied with settling new pony, getting the other pony to the other yard and settled for his 'boot'camp, then today ds's last ever day of pre-school, also my last every day of pre-school with no other lo coming through and then dd finishing school tomorrow), primarily it seems she has been thinking about my uncle and if any kind of relationship can be salvaged with him.
She really wants me to try, she knows I love him, she knows I value his previous support and faith in me but she also knows how hard it is to get past all that has and is happening. It is not so much that my uncle supports 'Mike', I understand that, they are brothers and they have no other family, they shared a very tough childhood and I know I have supported and stood by my brother when he has done terrible things (obviously not on this level but when using he went to prison for burglary) but at the same time I have never excused his actions. What I am having the real trouble with is my uncle providing 'Mike' with the means to employ legal teams to get round the fact he is placed on the sex offenders register and to continue to hurt and control me with demanding access to personal records. I do wonder if my uncle has really thought it through, he takes 'Mikes' version of events as gospel and I doubt has thought about the fact that asking for copies of information help by ss he is asking for access to my personal information. I don't know if my uncle even knows the exact steps the legal team he is paying for are taking, my uncle is the type of pay for the services you need and then let you and the professionals do what needs doing, that's what he did when I needed medical help. That would also help him keep his head firmly in the sand, I don't think he wants to admit that his brother, his flesh and blood is capable of these things, especially given his own history of abuse at boarding school, he is like a child with their fingers in their ears shouting 'lalala I'm not listening'.
My Mum has suggested I email my uncle and to skirt around talking about the real reason I haven't written to him sooner ('Mike' sending him my personal email as a round robin and the fact he is paying for the legal team), I do want to do this but I am also frightened of what may happen, I do know, thanks to counselling that the reality will be okay and I will be able to deal with it, the fear is not about set things, just a general fear I can't put my finger on, it is not miles away from the fear I had before sending 'Mike' the email confronting him with his actions. I was bang on right about what he did with that and while it was horrible I got through it quite well I think(being so ill probably helped as things were put in perspective). So, if I could ask for help what again, what do you think about this as an email to my uncle, I am unsure as if I should go into as much detail or just keep it to the first paragraph and ditch the last, it's just I don't want him to think that I am just interested in what I can get from him given especially as the last time we spoke he helped me, allot, making me a substantial loan to help me out of a desperate situation and then 'gifting' me the amount of the loan as a Christmas gift (we don't do birthday and Christmas gifts normally) neutralising the loan. Anyway, opinions hugely valued:

Dear Uncle X, I am sorry I haven't contacted you sooner when we had agreed to try and meet talk after Christmas, I am under the impression that you are aware that I broke my leg badly in early January and I was very ill for a time afterwards with plenty of complications both with the leg and all the other pre existing problems. It has taken a great deal of time and work to get back from this but I am finally back on my feet and getting back to things although there are still issues that are causing problems with day to day life. I am now though able to look at things other then just getting day to day and would still like to talk to you properly, either by exchanging letters, on the phone or in person if you are still wanting to do this.
I appreciate all the help and support you have offered so generously in the past and would like you to know how much I appreciate that on a daily basis, it has never and never will be expected and it has always been appreciated on a level I can not express in words.
I really look forward to hearing from you, Love Roadkill x

(sorry for yet another marathon post Blush )
P.S mummytime please don't guilty to bad about your distant relations job, it's not like it is something you have control of or can influence. Somebody has to do the job, and it'sd not you personally or even a member of you close family so please don't feel guilt, or anything else, if you see that person I think it could be interesting to ask about the details of what they do but only is appropriate.

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RandomMess · 20/07/2012 12:24

Letter sounds ok to me

izzyizin · 20/07/2012 12:50

Given recent developments which have been facilitated by your uncle, I would suggest that you do not send your proposed letter or make any attempt to communicate with him at the present time.

You need to face the fact that whatever you tell/say/write to this particular relative is going to be shared with 'Mike'. 'Mike' will inevitablyattempt to manipulate any communication from you to his advantage, and will most probably see this missive to his db as you having left the door open, or at the very least ajar, for further overtures from him.

You're best advised to detach, detach, detach, and wait to see the outcome of the enquiries that have been made to SS before engaging in any further correspondence with any members of your father's family.

When you come to enter into further correspondence with your paternal uncle, I would suggest you refrain from providing any information about your health and current circumstances.

MrsSquirrel · 20/07/2012 13:25

I agree with izzy. If any kind of relationship can be salvaged with your uncle (and that's a big if) now is not the moment to do it.

Lemonylemon · 20/07/2012 13:36

OP: I agree with Izzy too. At the end of the day, your uncle has betrayed you. Maybe not consciously, but the end result is the same. You don't feel safe anymore. Your privacy and safety have been compromised.

SS are on your side. Keep them close and take it from there....

Eurostar · 20/07/2012 20:12

Given that you Uncle's name is in the public domain and Mike's story has been in the press, I would tell him to desist now before the press get wind that he is trying to get his sex offender brother access to children. This would of course mean that you would never again be able to count on him for money if things went wrong for you.

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