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Can anyone make sense of this?

28 replies

nureyev · 12/07/2012 23:04

I have namechanged for this as DH has read threads on here before and hasn't liked it at all. I have been thinking of posting for ages but have been put off by this. I just need some perspective now. I am writing this far too late. I'll bump it in the morning and then hide it tomorrow night.

DH and I have been married 5 years, together ten. We have two children 4 and 2. We live far away from my family. He is from another country. Since I was pregnant with our first child, when I had hyperemesis for the whole pregnancy, things have been very difficult. DD never slept and had feeding problems. My mother died from alcoholic liver failure when she was 10 otnhs old. My father was diagnosed with terminal cancer 6 months later (they were divorced, very difficult history). I had another difficult pregnancy. My brother had a nervous breakdown and lost his job. DH negotiated for him in the tribunals. Four months after our baby was born y father died.

From the death of my father, I took a year to recover. I accept that in this time DH was very practically helpful and tried to supprt me as much as he could. I was involved in myself and he came last. I did keep things going however. I looked after my children, the house, myself, my husband as best I could.

I did not have time or energy in the evening. Communication suffered. Sex suffered. Eventually I got counselling and got better. I am good if not stronger than before.

As soon as I started getting better DH broke down. He works extremely hard and maintains this and his relationship with our children but he wants nothing more to do with me.

I knew something was wrong and then six months ago he told e he had had enough. He felt I had attacked him over iisues I was uncomfortable with, such as his smoking and how much he works and that I had withdrawn sex from him. He wanted space and time to recover.

I believe I have tried to give this to him. He lives with us. Neither I nor the children see him much in the week. He works late and goes to the gym afer work (part f his unhappiness had been a huge gain in weight). He is frequently away with work. He take sths children out by himslef at the weekend as he doesn't want to be with me. I do not believe he is having an affair. I genuinely don't.

I try to give him as much support as I can but he doesn't want me. He says he does not want the marriage to continue and that he is only here for the kids. He expected to feel better and get over it bt he doesn't.

He says that he has had to ask me for love and that having to ask for it means that the love is worthless. He says he did everything he could to help but I let my past overwhelm our marriage and cause me to neglect him and that this is unacceptable.

Thigns got really bad when he realised I was disccusing it with one friend and when he read a thread on here. I wasn't going for hi at all. The worst things he could find that I had said about him were that he was a workaholic and that he had been emotionally unsupportive. He says he cannot forgive the fact I have done this and i is really terrible. You will probably question why I have done it again but I am just so isolated I feel I need some strangers' perspectives.

I feel he may be having a nervous breakdwon. His behaviour and demands are very strange. For example, he offered to look after the chidren for a week in August so I could see some old friends. All was planned. Then he announced that he had found a childminder to take over if he found the children too much. When I asked for her name and phone nuber so I could know who she was, he refused, said this was selfish and controlling behaviour and he would never agree. So, if I cancel the trip I am selfish. If I don't, well.... I don't really see it is reasonable to know that my children may be left with someone whose name I don't even know.

Another example, in this last six months he comes home late, I get up early - often at five (I'm a SAHM and my children are early risers). I began by waiting up to see him at tennish. He clearly sisn't want to see me. So, I thought I may as well be fresh for the chidren in the morning and went to bed. He resents this. I am wrong whatever I do.

He has asked me not to cook him dinners as he doesn't like to eat late so I don't. I try to leave something he could eat in the fridge or on the hob. He resents that no food is prepared for him.

This is necessarily a partial account. However....

He wants to have the summer at home here to recuperate more. I have agreed to this but I don't know if I should have done so. We have discussed the fact that this is likely to lead to a trail separation and that this is as likely to end in divorce as not. He seems to think he may have some kind of revelation if left to himself enough that he loves me and wants to stay. He refuses to talak. He refuses counselling. He sees to be determined to see an end to it and yet reluctant to call it and I don't know if I shoud do so as I am getting to the point where almost all is destroyed.

This is long. All I'm asking is what do you make of it?

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nureyev · 12/07/2012 23:08

That was long! Sorry and thankyou if you read.

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freeandhappy · 12/07/2012 23:11

Sounds like you are both very worn out. No advice but sending support.

Nagoo · 12/07/2012 23:14

I did read.

My immediate impression is that he is depressed and resentful of investing in you and your family so much.

I agree I would not go away if he was engaging the services of a childminder you don't know. I am suspicious that this is an OW you don't know about.

If you are sure there is no OW then I would agree to the break. You need to break the stalemate, you cannot carry on like you are.

Offred · 12/07/2012 23:19

I don't know why you are letting him dictate everything? If you are not happy then break up. If you want to stay together ask him if he does. If he is insure ask him to leave until he is sure, if he wants to work on it you need counselling, if he wants to break up you need to break up. If you break up you cannot live together this will be horrible for all involved. The childminder thing sounds suspicious and I would be thinking it was a "childminder" OW

izzyizin · 13/07/2012 00:04

Given that the way you're living now is on a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' basis, I suggest you tell him that if he wants to spend the summer 'recuperating' he'll have to do it elsewhere.

Frankly, his behaviour indicates that he's got an OW and nothing's going to change until he stops having his cake and eating it.

If you haven't cancelled your child-free trip next month, you're best advised to do so now, or arrange to take the dc with you and have the neighbours keep an eye out to see who stays overnight how many callers come to your home in your absence.

Inadeeptrance · 13/07/2012 00:40

It sounded more and more as I read your OP that he has someone else, sorry. Sad

I hope I'm wrong but a lot of what you have written I would find highly suspicious, especially the encouraging you to go away and calling you selfish when you asked for the no of the CM. Hmm

Not to mention the rest of it. The question is, what do YOU want? At the moment it all seems to be about him. What are you getting from this? You're not happy and I don't blame you. I would start by considering your options. Whether he is having an affair or not, his treatment of you is shitty.

ImperialBlether · 13/07/2012 01:03

I, too, think he has another woman and I imagine he is furious at being thought to be in the wrong if he's found out. Where does he go to so late at night? Unless he's in the pub, it's hard to imagine. Does he claim he's in the gym for several hours? When other people go for an hour or two?

He sounds as though he's having a right little pity party all on his own. I couldn't be doing with him and the food, for example. He wants this, wants that, it's all wrong, woe is him. I'd have a couple of words to say about that.

Can you take the children with you? It would do you good to spend some time apart from him. Could he afford it if you said you wanted him to spend that time looking for somewhere to stay?

He's got a nerve thinking he might decide he loves you and wants to stay. From the way he's behaving I wouldn't want anything to do with him. Take some control here.

differentnameforthis · 13/07/2012 06:13

You have both had a rough time recently, that is easy to see. But it sounds to me like he is holding everything against you & that either way you do stuff (cook or don't cook, wait up/don't wait up) it isn't right for him.

He needs to decide what he wants. Does he want a divorce or a marriage. If he wants a marriage he has to start helping you to repair any damage done & stop criticising you & pushing you away.

differentnameforthis · 13/07/2012 06:17

Oh & I am sorry, but I do agree with the others that it does sound like there is another woman in there somewhere.

Thumbwitch · 13/07/2012 06:29

Another one who thinks that more than likely there is another woman on the scene. I do also agree that you cannot go on like this - it sounds awful, draining and soul destroying. I'd actually ask him to leave, if you can cope without him, and if you think that he would pay his way still.

What positives is he contributing to the household in general at the moment?

nureyev · 13/07/2012 06:49

I have been doing what he wants as I believe he has been under great strain, no only due to me but also to work. I want to do everything I can, mainly because I think it could work again and a lot for the children. I think we both had hoped some distance, even while at home, would help things but it hasn't. I am now getting really angry that he won't try any of the things that might help, like serious talking or counselling. I don't see that the summer will help (he's in education so summer is a quieter time, though he will go to work every day). However, I want to give it every chance (although if we ake a decision about separation in the Autumn, it will be very hard for him to find anywhere).

He works late and goes to the gym at work after or he has to queue for machines. I do believe this. He has lost about 25kilos recently. Both the working and the gym are in line with his personality.

It's possible there is another woman, or even just someone who has turned his head. Frankly, I would make things easier. However, I do think though he is just exhausted with how life has been.

It is horrible though. He can barely say hello to me. I can't see how allowing him to behave like this over the summer will help.

I suppose I am afraid to put mysef in the wrong. It feels like the stakes are very high (the children, mainly, and their emotional and financial future).

Thankyou so much for reading and responding.

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tribpot · 13/07/2012 06:59

Why do you feel you would put yourself in the wrong? You're entitled to leave the relationship at any time. My feeling is there may be a war of attrition going on as each tries to get the other to be the one who ends the marriage.

Announcing he will use a childminder and refusing to tell you who that is is quite clearly an attempt to blackmail you into not going away, whilst maintaining the moral highground that he's never stopped you trying to do anything you want to. Your relationship sounds very unequal; does he actually value the work you do as a SAHM and managing the house? The word that really comes out of your very sad post is 'resentment'.

I'm very sorry about the multiple losses and stresses you've had to deal with, by the way, it must have been extremely hard.

nureyev · 13/07/2012 07:19

I want to give the marriage every chance I can to work. I don't want my children to grow up with divorced parents.

I do someties think he just wants me to be the bad guy and end it. I don't particularly want to be a bad guy as I don't think my behaviour warrants an end to the marriage. I think he is being hurt and resentful, but, I'm afarid to say, in a juvenile way.

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tribpot · 13/07/2012 07:34

It's interesting that you say I don't think my behaviour warrants an end to the marriage because I think you (both?) see whoever ends the marriage as accepting the 'blame' for being one who failed the marriage. In reality the other is equally likely to be the case, i.e. the one who ends it is the wronged partner. But either way I don't think it's a healthy reason to stay married, i.e. that you don't think you've done anything 'wrong' enough to end it. It's not a competition.

That said, I would agree with you that I don't think your behaviour warrants an end to the marriage. He has no real incentive to change whilst he holds all the cards. You are financially dependent on him, whilst he knows you are committed to doing anything to make the marriage 'work' (i.e. not end), what does he actually have to do, when he can refuse any suggestion you make to try and improve things? (Just to be clear, I am absolutely not having a go at you for being a SAHM, I simply feel he thinks he can call the shots because you are).

You said in your OP I try to give him as much support as I can but he doesn't want me. So take the hint. Your gameplan of unstinting support isn't working and must be leaving you feeling empty and drained. Withdrawing some support allows you to recoup some energy and upsets the status quo in a way that might make him realise what he is risking with his selfish and self-pitying attitude.

I think you do need to go away for that week, btw, and get some peace and time for yourself. You've had a hell of a lot to cope with and you deserve a chance to recharge your batteries.

nureyev · 13/07/2012 12:59

I will go away if I can, but I can't just accept my children being left with someone whose name I don't even know. If this makes me controlling in his eyes, so be it. I would love to go though: I have never left the children, except for y daughter on a couple of nights for my parents' funerals and it would be novel. Also, I have tickes to the Olympics and the opportunity to see my best friend who I haven't seen for nearly four years.

He is coming back tonight. I'm still not sure what I want to do about the summer. I think we wil probably separate at least for a trial anyway but I feel sick at the idea of asking him to go.

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nureyev · 13/07/2012 13:21

And for those who have asked, I don't really know what I want, to be honest. I have tried to think more in terms of what is likely to be best for us all. It has got to the point that it is a relief when he is not here. Just the thought of him not syaing hello again to me tomorrow makes my heart sink.

We couldn't afford to run two establishments from his salary. I am looking into how I could support the children best, but in the short term I would need welfare help. I am very unhappy about this. I am thinking that perhaps I could use the summer to learn to drive and / or find or train for a suitable job. I have applied for one but it is very part time.

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nureyev · 13/07/2012 13:27

Also, I'm sure if I asked hi to leave that would be that and it just seems too awful and stupid. I know I shouldn't be a hostage to that, but I am still.

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tribpot · 13/07/2012 14:45

I can perfectly understand why you would find it incredibly difficult to go, knowing he might have them cared for by a stranger. I would be tempted to call his bluff as long as you have someone who could keep a friendly eye on things there for you whilst you're away.

I think the fact you think he would just leave if you asked is very telling. Would you leave, if he asked? Of course not. So why is he not committed to this family and this marriage? Is he staying to save money? (Sorry to be so brutal - but bear in mind if you separated it doesn't absolve him of his financial responsibilities).

Whatever you ultimately decide to do, you do need to allow yourself to at least think what you want to do/what's best for you. You can of course compromise from that but at least know what you're compromising on.

MissFaversam · 13/07/2012 15:52

I think it's very strange that he wants you to go away for the week and not tell you who the children will be going to, very strange indeed. He wouldn't up and abscond with them would he?

nureyev · 13/07/2012 17:39

I think the idea behind a childminder is that he has never had to care for them overnight before and he will find it a strain.

The idea of me not being allowed to know who it is foxes me. I think he wants to feel trusted and not undermined but it is a pretty bizarre way of going about it. Or at least it doesn't ake any sense to me.

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nureyev · 13/07/2012 18:02

I will probably try and hide this thread at the end of tonight. I don't want to appear rude.

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tribpot · 13/07/2012 18:34

Not at all, nureyev, it's your thread - your choice. Hopefully you've been able to take something out of the comments.

If you want, you can ask MN to move it to somewhere which isn't searchable, they will explain what I mean.

I hope you can find some peace. You sound very put upon at the moment.

nureyev · 13/07/2012 19:34

Thanks.

I a very undecided. I am going to judge again when he comes back. I suppose I feel under pressure as if his coming back is some kind of deadline, but it's not really.

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nureyev · 13/07/2012 20:22

bump

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sarahseashell · 13/07/2012 20:34

this relationship doesn't sound nurturing for you and I think you will go from strength to strength out of it tbh. You sound like a strong woman and your ideas about gaining some independence now sound wise.

sorry but my impression here is he has OW Sad
You have been through an awful lot. You could try some counselling on your own, to give you some support through all of this?