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I don't love my mum :(

14 replies

onlymeitis · 11/07/2012 14:52

I don't think I love my mum, am I a really awful horrible person to feel this way? I feel that as a daughter I should naturally love her but I don't feel that way, I don't feel a special mother daughter connection with her and it makes me feel sad and guilty.

My mum has suffered from depression and a mental illness since her late teenage years, my dad was not aware of this when he and my mum married. When I was very little I think she was okay, she was a stay at home mum. I don't know if she really was okay or if she hid her illness well from my dad, I have no idea how I was cared for as a baby and toddler. I have a sister who is three years older than me and I believe she was a difficult child. I don't know if there was a lot of stress in the house at this early stage and how my sister's difficult bahaviour might have affected my mother and her early relationship with me. I know as a very young child I was very insecure and shy, frightened that my mum might leave and not come back. I don't know why I felt this way or if something might have happened to cause me to feel this way. My father used to tease me that I was a mummy's girl as I always wanted to be near my mum.

When I was around 10 years old my mum's illness became very apparent and finally my father was able to get her diagnosed again (he was not aware of the first diagnosis when she was a teenager) and put onto medication for depression and schizophrenia. At this point the history came out and my father was told about her earlier diagnosis. For all those years she had not taken any medication, my father tells me that their relationship was very stressed as he didn't understand why my mum acted like she did and he knew nothing of her illness. I remember up to the age of 10 that my parents used to argue an awful lot, it just seemed normal to me as that's what they did so much of the time.

A few years later my mum's condition worsened and she became very ill. She was sent into hospital and I remember visiting her, I must have been about 12. She wasn't aware of who I was or even that I was there. She was in a world of her own, like she was there physically but mentally she was in another place or another world. I was not warned about what state she was in before visiting so it was a shock to see her like that and I didn't understand what had happened to her. I was simply told that she was ill and needed a "holiday" away from the family so that she could get better. She spent weeks in hospital before being transferred to a mental health hospital where she stayed for a couple of months. By this time she was back in the world with us but clearly not the same person. She had become very child-like in the way she talked and acted.

My sister and I would go to school and then spend our afternoon doing the household chores, shopping, cooking etc. My father found it very difficult to cope, although he did very well considering he had a full time job to keep as well. My dad was very supportive of my mum in many ways, but he was also cruel too. I remember my dad referring to my mum as a looney and that she was in the mental hospital, she was a nut-case etc. I was very embarrased and wouldn't talk to anyone about my mum, I felt ashamed of her :( I know now it's not her fault but at the time I didn't understand any of it. I saw a councellor once, my sister did too, but we never saw her again. My sister didn't like the councellor because she challenged my sister's behaviour (she was a difficult teenager) and my dad didn't like her either. My mum returned home but she was very depressed for the several years that followed. She was also very suspicious of everything and everyone. My sister's teenage years weren't easy and my mum and sister clashed badly resulting in my sister leaving home at 17.

From the age of 14 I had my mum at home but it was like she wasn't there. She'd spend the entire day sleeping and locked away in a dark room. I would try to get her out of bed and do things with me but she had no interest, it was the depression. When my mum was around she would embarass me so much that I didn't want her there. She told my best friend's mother that I was a lesbian, after that for a while when I had sleepovers at my friend's house we weren't allowed to sleep in the same room. I think my friend talked to her mum because after a while her mum relaxed about it all again. My mum thought I was a lesbian because I didn't have a boyfriend. I didn't have a boyfriend because I didn't want to have to explain about my mum or have them meet her. I knew lots of boys who were friends, my mum would flirt with them and act stupid, we were all only about 14! My mum did other things to embarrass me, she got herself arrested when we were out shopping one day. I was 15 then and having the police take your mum off to "have a chat" was the most humiliating experience I've ever had. I was questioned too and it was the most awful experience in my life, I had no idea what she had done and realised after that I was questioned because they thought I was involved. I was also very sickly as a teenager spending quite a lot of time off school at home with my mum and on hindsight I question if perhaps she had a hand in causing this although I can't be sure. Ever since leaving home I've seldomly been ill and generally am a very healthy fit person. There are many other things that happened too, I could go on for a long time explaining them all.

When I finished school I left home as soon as possible, got a job and started my own life. I am happily married now with two children, we have an excellent family relationship, I have a strong relationship with my husband and two children. I now live in a different country to my mum, the move away this far from my mum was not intentional, it just happened that way. As I'm older I have learnt a lot more about my mum and can understand why she acts the way she does. My mum is a lot better now too, she still has her illness but the medication seems to be working a lot better and her condition is much better controlled.

I feel disappointment towards my dad for being so judgemental about my mum, calling her those names infront of me, I was a child and didn't understand what it was all about. I'm also sad that he did not encourage me to see a councellor so that I could talk to someone about my mum and how it affected me. I had no one to talk to in those days and my school, who were fully aware of the problems at home never once encouraged me to see the school councellor, I'm not even sure if we had one. Aside from that I have a fairly good relationship with my dad and I do love him.

When I talk to my mum she always goes on about how I am her favorite child which makes me very uncomfortable because my sister has a better relationship with my mum now than I do, she seems to love my mum and does a lot for her as they still live in the same country. I'm a little envious that my sister seems to love my mum and I can't seem to be able to do that. I think my sister was better off in some ways as during the years that were so difficult my sister no longer lived at home. My mum goes on about how we are so close. I don't have the heart to tell her that I don't feel we're very close at all. Since I was a teenager and even now she'd be the last person I'd talk to about problems, I don't feel close to her at all.

I care about my mum, I know none of the past is her fault, but I can't feel a love her like I imagine a daughter would love her mum :( She apologises all the time for the past, and I've accepted her apologies and told her that she shouldn't worry about the past as I'm someone who always looks to the future and I'd rather forgive and forget the past. I don't blame my mum for any of what happened but she seems to be hanging on to the past and keeps bringing it up. I think because my mum was so absent in my life from the age of about 10 it's like the mum I knew died and someone else replaced her, our close relationship we had when I was very little is not there anymore (if it ever was there).

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ImperialBlether · 11/07/2012 14:57

What a very sad story to read. I'm so sorry.

Do you feel you can fake it with your mum, so that you're pleasant to her, remember her on her birthday etc but without the feeling you have to love her? I can completely understand how difficult it is for you to love her and how you must feel the mum you had died. In what real way would things be different if you did love her?

It must have been incredibly traumatic for you having to witness her like that and when your sister left you must have felt very alone.

I'm so glad you have a loving happy family now.

redrubyshoes · 11/07/2012 15:11

I could have written your post onlyme my mother has a history of metal health problems and erratic and bizarre behaviour.

I have been with my DP for seven years and last year he proposed Grin but I don't want to set the date for the wedding because it would mean my DP's family and my friends meeting my mother. I have had what I call 'The Look' from people when they meet her for the first time, they stare at me in bafflement and bewilderment because her social skills are non-existant and her conversation is just either mad or incomprehensible. Sad

I don't love her, I feel protective of her but a lifetime of crushing embarrassment and humiliation squashed any love I felt. I know she can't help it and I am a bad person but when I was a child she was a fecking monster.

I understand completely.

something2say · 11/07/2012 15:39

My dear,

I think it seems that you are reaching a place where it is safe to think of these things, and thinking of them you are. Maybe now you are 'safe'; in the years away, and perhaps the space.

All of this is entirely natural and I would encourage you to find a counsellor again to have several hours worth of time to talk about all of it in much fuller detail. Why not?

It sounds to me as tho your sister maybe wasn't difficult, but suffered as perhaps a first born, and the parenting made her difficult iyswim, altho the intervening years should have made her want to sort herself out.

It reads to me that you were your mother's mother - a not uncommon phenomenon, and from years back too, when life for women was different to how it is now.

My own mother abused me and transferred her issues right on top of me, and it hurts, still does, and it is never very helpful when people say 'Well your mother was probably going thro xyz.....!' In fact I find it hurtful. But eve n so, I have read of loads of mothers of the 50s, 60s, 70s, who go mad with the straightjacket of their lives, I have even met some of them.

Your mother also had a diagnosable mental health condition, and I am so sorry for you for that, as it made her unable to mother you, and poor little you and your sister, motherless yet caring for that very person. I think you deserve the space and recognition to shout about how this was shit and a loss.

And I am not surprised you don't love your mother in the way you feel you ought to. Nor can you talk to her - yet she feels she can talk to you.

Is there anything you can do about this now? Can you instigate a conversation about how her mother mothered her, and then start to slip qs in about how she feels she did in mothering you?

I am not surprised to read that your sister is still craving her attention.....

But the main thing I have to say is - don't feel bad at all, in fact well done for coping and for setting up a healthy family of your own. I would love your tips actually - how did you get used to how normal people live, set against abnormality from your early years?

I ask this because we spent most of our time at home, and I was always in disgrace, getting sent up to my room where I would stand against the wall or be allowed to read or made to clean the house. Nowadays I still spend too much time alone - and fear I can't be like normal people - so how did you manage to overthrow it all and feel comfortable like that?

MissFaversam · 11/07/2012 15:44

You're not the only one OP. I don't love mine either. She was an alcoholic and left me to "rot" with my father when I was 13.

She's 80 now and needs a bit of care. My other two sisters do a bit of shopping for her etc. and don't get me wrong I would if I had to but they leave me out of it knowing how I feel about her.

We can choose our friends but we can't choose our family huh.

I also don't feel guilty about this whatsoever.

Just wanted you to know you aren't alone in having these feelings - or not as the case may be.

ImperialBlether · 11/07/2012 16:02

Redruby, could you get married without your mum knowing? I know it sounds a bit mean but you could have a lovely wedding without her.

Would there be anyone there who knows her? Would she get to hear about it? If not, I'd do that.

doggiesayswoof · 11/07/2012 16:04

You are not alone OP.

I am not sure if I love my mum or not. I really don't know and I have not been able to examine my feelings for her (yet).

I don't have much advice but I will say this - granted, it was not your mum's fault, she was ill. But it was not your fault either and there were big consequences for you. It's OK to acknowledge that and it's OK to feel the way you feel.

redrubyshoes · 11/07/2012 16:14

Imperial

I have thought about doing that Sad. I have successfully kept her apart from most of my friends over the years to protect them. The ones she has met she has driven crazy because she somehow manages to get their address or telephone number and bombards them with visits or phone calls until they lose their temper with her or avoid her. I have lost friends through her and she successfully managed to cause a huge rift between my ex-inlaws and myself.

The thought of her haranging my in-laws to be fills me with absolute horror.

Sorry OP - thread hijack.

onlymeitis · 11/07/2012 17:33

Thank you for all the reassurance from everyone. I typed a long message and then lost it, argh. I need to go and get the dinner ready now so will reply to you all later. Just wanted to reply to something2say's question quickly. It was easy for me to adjust to a normal family life because my best friend at secondary school had a lovely family. Her mum was a stay at home mum and her dad was a lovely man, they had what I considered a very healthy and normal family life. I often spent a weekend with them, I'd go home after school with my friend on a Friday and spend the whole weekend with them returning to school on the Monday morning with my friend. This happened about once a month, I think my friend's mum had a pretty good idea of what life was like for me (after my mother had told her I was a lesbian etc) and she extended the invitation regularly. The last year at secondary school my friend's family moved (dad got a promotion and they were transferred to another city) but I had been welcomed into their family regularly enough for me to realise that this was how it should have been and that this is what I wanted to create for my own family when I had children one day. I will be forever in their debt for helping me to see what a normal family life is. With raising my own children it has been difficult at times because there are things I simply don't know because I never experienced it myself. For example my daughter is 11 and with the onset of puberty I had no idea what to talk to her about and how to go about it as it's something my mum never did with me. There are so many gaps like this where I feel sometimes I don't know how to be a parent because I can't model myself on my own experience with my mum. Thankfully there's mumsnet, parenting books and friends that I can rely on for help and advice.

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OatyBeatie · 11/07/2012 17:44

You've had to go through so much, and it is completely understandable that you don't love your mother. What shines through your posts is that you have a very very balanced and empathetic understanding of her. You aren't harsh, you aren't overly judgemental or filled with hate. You present her illness and the effects of that illness compassionately and fairly, even though it was so hard on you. That makes you a kind and tolerant person (no wonder you have a good family life of your own, given that kindness!), and you should feel proud of yourself for that. There is no need, none at all, for berating yourself for not feeling love. We can't love on command -- and your lack of love towards you mother isn't at all surprising in the circs.

Mumsyblouse · 11/07/2012 17:59

My view is that overwhelming mental illness often changes or really destroys a person's personality dramatically. I have had relatives who were 'gone' for years although when treated successfully, something of their old self did return.

I would not beat yourself up about not loving her, you are understanding and caring and perhaps that's where it stops for you. She herself may not have been able to love you in the deep sense either, being very wrapped up in her own world. Even her declaring you are her favourite and how much she loves you is really about her illness and her self-absorbtion. It's not actually a reflection of your true relationship, which as you say, functions on her saying stuff and you agreeing to keep the peace.

I do think the advice you have been given is good, you have a really amazing insight into how things were and what made you able to cope, perhaps some counselling will stop you feeling guilty for something you really shouldn't feel bad about.

onlymeitis · 11/07/2012 19:05

Imperial, yes I can fake it as that is what I've been doing until now but it does feel dishonest somehow. I care for my mum and don't want to hurt her or blame her as I know it's not her fault and she didn't set out for it to happen that way. She already blames herself enough for the past and I wish she could let go of it, it's like she wants to hold on to the horrible past for some bizarre reason.

redruby, I am so happy for you that your partner has proposed, I wish you all the best and congrats on your engagement :) My husband and I have been married for 20 years now, he is very understanding and knows all about my mum although it was difficult to explain it all to him - I was scared that he'd run a mile! I haven't explained it all to his family, they are very close and accepting not judgemental in any way towards people. I simply explained that my mum suffers with depression and can be a bit "quirky" sometimes, they don't see her often and just accept her for that. I'm lucky that he has a lovely family, they are fab.

MissFaversham and doggiesayswoof, thank you for your words. It's nice to hear that I'm not alone in my feelings and shouldn't feel guilty. I'm surrounded by people (friends and my husband's family) who have close relationships with their mums, sometimes I feel it's not normal to feel the way I do but then I must realise they don't have the same past that I have.

OatieBeatie you have such kind words to say, thank you. I have researched a lot on the internet and that has helped me to understand why my mum is like she is, understanding has led to forgiveness and a realisation that she didn't do this on purpose.

Mumsyblouse yes I totally agree. I wonder if she tells my sister that she is the favorite child? I've never asked because I don't want to tell my sister what my mum says, it would hurt her but perhaps my mum says the same thing to her. My mum visisted a few years ago and was telling me what a wonderful mother I am to my children, she went on and on about it but I don't take much notice because I know her well. She also told me about someone at her church that is a terrible mother giving me all the details about how dysfunctional this family is (coming from my mum it's probably very untrue). Later I heard her on the phone talking to this church friend and telling her that she's a brilliant mother and so good to her children. She is like that, I never take what she says seriously, praise means nothing because it's always empty words.

A couple of people have mentioned counselling, I'm not sure I need it or am ready for it. Sometimes I think I don't need it as I'm very happy, bar the concern about my feelings towards my mum. I guess I'm frightened that one day she'll be gone and I'll feel that I could have or should have done more to strengthen our relationship although I'm not sure if that is possible with someone like her. I'd love a strong mother daughter relationship with my mum but I don't think that will ever happen no matter how hard I try. I also worry about talking of the past, I'm frightened it might dig it all up and make things worse. I'm an optimistic person by nature and I think focusing clearly on the future and not dwelling on the past can only be a positive thing for me. However having made my initial post here and hearing reassuring words from others has helped a lot, thank you everyone for replying it has really helped to know others have had a similar experience and to hear your thoughts about my feelings. It feels good to have written down in words how I feel and to describe some of my past. Apart from my husband I never talk about it to anyone so this has been a big step for me.

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henrysmama2012 · 11/07/2012 20:12

Living with a mentally ill parent is just so traumatic and horrible asks you sound like you are a lovely person, and you love your mum in a lovely way that is empathic but representative of the terrible things you had to go through. Good on you for being so kind, strong & together - many people would be in a dark place as an adult having live that life with that upbringing - but stop putting pressure on yourself. I think that people living with a close relative with mental illnesses often don't get looked after so well, and are used to putting others needs first and just taking care of themselves which is what you are doing now. You are very loving & understanding towards your mum and that's great - don't push yourself for more.

henrysmama2012 · 11/07/2012 20:13

Ps sorry about typo's, trying to feed little guy at the same time as typing!

theundercovermummy · 11/07/2012 20:22

I really feel for you and admire your courage for writing such an honest and open post:)

We don't choose the family we are born into but we choose the one we create. I would agree with some of the posts above. I saw a councillor once during a period of my life and I learnt that whilst I felt I was at peace with things and really didn't want to drag things up and confront them, things can be put to the back of your mind but they need to be confronted. Something prompted you to write the post, so it may be a good idea? I wish you all the best xx

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