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What happens when children don't want to see dad?

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cheekychopsmum · 26/06/2012 16:22

I'm writing on behalf of a friend because he is desperate and misses his children. Quick history:- he separated from wife and she accused him of having affair and on the day she threw him out told the children 8 and 10 that he was leaving to be with another woman. (In the weeks leading up to this they had both spoken with the children and explained they were going to be separating and everything would be ok. The children although obviously upset did seem to accept this and seem to be dealing with it, in so much as they were asking questions and talking about it openly). Since the day he was thrown out he has not seen his eldest child as she has said she doesn't want to see him. She is angry and upset. She won't speak on the phone and her mum has said she won't force her. This is coming up to 6 months. The younger child also didn't want to see him, but following a mediation session it was agreed that there would be structured times he could come and take the child for something to eat and then return within 2 hours also a couple phone calls a week. This was a couple Of months ago and the first visit was great and child really positive with dad and they had fun. After that though he got a text from mum to say child came home very upset and it was awful for her to see her child distressed like that. Week later next visit child was visibly upset and saying didnt want to go. Agreed eventually and seemed to have a good time. Was relaxed and laughing. Since then relationship has deteriorated. When he rang child would say don't want to come and don't want to talk. He continued to ring and try and chat. Mum has said if child doesn't want to come she won't force it and doesn't bring child to door so they could even talk. This has been the status quo for the last couple of weeks, (including fathers day) where he has turned up twice a week only to be told my mum that child doesn't want to come. He has not got into confrontation with her but just put his head down and walked away. He is clearly devestated, the children are his life and before the split he was the main carer. He took them to school every day, made their meal meals nearly every day, took them to their activities. Basically was a huge part of their lives and the 3 of them were very loving. This situation can not be healthy for them and they must be very confused. He wants to help them through this but feels at a loss to what he can do. He will not give up on them and wants to know how he should deal with this situation. 6 months of no contact with his eldest is killing him and it is affecting his health. He is at the position where he feels he can not avoid court as he doesn't think the children should be put in the position of making the discsion as they are trying to protect mum and the fact that the youngest was seeing him and not the eldest, must have put a lot of pressure on. Also he has no confidence in mum moving this forward. All she says is the children aren't ready and he must wait. How will they be ready if he can't talk to them and explain and make things better. I think they are trapped in a vicious circle that is too hard for young children to deal with. Too much responsibility.

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clam · 26/06/2012 16:51

Is there any chance you can re-post this using paragraphs? It's very hard to read as it stands.

Mobly · 26/06/2012 16:55

I can read it fine.

He will have to get a solicitor & go down the legal route. The children may think they don't want to see him but for their sake he needs to insist on access.

JeffTracy · 26/06/2012 17:00

He needs to see a solicitor who specialises in family law and get a contact order agreed, either directly with his wife or through the court. If he has a good/safe/happy relationship with the children (which he does, from what you say) there is no reason he should be prevented from seeing them and the court will be very supportive.

Sassybeast · 26/06/2012 17:01

Okay first question - was he having an affair ? (and before anyone jumps on me, no of course it's not relevant to his access with his kids but it IS relevant in the advice that I would give in moving forward)

cheekychopsmum · 26/06/2012 17:12

Sorry it's difficult to read tapped it in On my phone and didn't want to mess with it in case I deleted.

No he wasn't having an affair, but wife has refused to speak to him since and then end of their marriage has never been discussed.

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Sassybeast · 26/06/2012 17:27

He needs to see a solicitor. He really has no other choice. He may be able to open negotiations with his ex via solicitors and agree contact without having to go as far as court. I don't understand the logic of being reluctant to seek legal advice. The children can be totally oblivious to the fact that solicitors are involved so he can't argue that it's to protect them.

And I would also be telling him that if he did have an affair (either full blown, emotional or 'keeping options open') then his wife is only human. And admitting an affair and acknowledging the damage that it has done is very often the first step in starting to heal the wounds. Children of that age aren't stupid and deserve the truth

cheekychopsmum · 26/06/2012 17:42

I think he has waited this long because their mum was saying they need more time and that the eldest would never forgive him if he took this to court. He really wanted to believe it wouldn't take this long.

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Offred · 26/06/2012 18:22

Sounds like there is more to this that he isn't telling you. I also really wonder why he is getting you so involved that you are posting on MN?

It could just be that the kids feel abandoned having gone from being raised by him to not seeing him but if he was the main carer then he hasnt really fought very hard for them either. It doesn't sound as though he is trying very hard now either.

Why did the wife think he was having an
Affair if he wasn't? Why would she be so randomly malicious about her husband for no reason and why would he leave and look like he was accepting it?

Offred · 26/06/2012 18:34

My xp didn't see our ds for a long time after we split up because he didn't want to but he still went around "confiding" in his friends about me preventing contact. When dd was born he didn't want to see her either, by then just ds Sad although he signed her birth certificate and was the one who was cheating not me he told everyone she was not his and we'd split up because when I took my ds, who was only 7 months old on a weekend away he thought I had slept with someone else. In reality he had been shagging his latest fling in my bed all weekend because he had said he had no interest in taking ds on a Santa train for his first Christmas and if I wanted to I would have to take him. We split up because he was abusive, he raped me which is how I conceived dd and things came to a head when we had a physical argument and the police were called. His friends thought he was wonderful and I was scum and he got them all so incensed his family members and friends would follow me in the street with the dcs shouting and swearing at me so he was pretty convincing. You can never tell what is or was going on in someone else's relationship and something about this doesn't make sense.

Offred · 26/06/2012 18:41

(obviously I'm not saying your friend is like my xp but he has definitely got you all riled up trying to sort out his life for him, he definitely sounds ineffective as a single father NRP and there definitely sounds as if there is more to his break up)

cheekychopsmum · 26/06/2012 19:08

Sounds like you have been through an awful time Offred, but his situation is not like that at all. He has confided in a few close friend and does not discuss the situation with everyone (as she does) and has chosen to keep close council as he doesn't feel he has to defend himself. The people who matter know the truth. She Refuses to speak to him and he is past caring what she thinks. He just wants to see and have access to his chIldren and is at a loss as to what he can do. I offered to post On here to get opinions from a wider circle, the same as everyone else I guess.

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startlife · 26/06/2012 19:17

He needs to start formal contact proceedings, it's the only course of action when mediation or discussions fail. If he wants to see his dc's he needs to see a solicitor. The longer he delays the longer this will go on.

If this is parental alienation then he must act now, time does not help or heal.

tenzeros · 26/06/2012 19:21

If he is genuine then the court route is the only way. IME fathers who care that much about their kids do not just up and leave.

Exact same thing happened to me looking like the bad one. Truth came out in the end, there is always two sides to every story.

Everybody is entitled to at least one hour free legal advice and there is also Citizens Advice, this is what I would advise him.

Offred · 26/06/2012 19:27

Yep my xp was supposedly only "confiding" in nearest and dearest telling them I was spreading lies about him too (I wasn't talking to anyone except my neighbour). It got other people to do his dirty work. I don't think anyone who was supposedly such a wonderful parent would fail so completely at asserting contact with them after their wife had behaved so insanely without any apparent reason. It just does not make sense. There is undoubtedly more to this story and you should keep well out of it. It isn't your business and you cannot do anything practical to help. Just support him, don't get drawn in.

Spree · 26/06/2012 19:41

My DC are a similar age and I separated from H in Feb.

He was having an affair but we never told DC. I can tell you both my DC were devastated by the separation and although DC see their father at weekends, I was at the receiving end of a lot of anger, meltdowns etc (because I am primary carer and they probably felt abandoned by their father whom they saw a lot less of so on best behaviour around him when they saw him)

I made H organise some child-centred counselling for them to help them process what was happening and to help them come to terms with the break up of the family.

Can your friend do the same for his children?

I too think it quite suspicious that his wife would accuse him of affair, throw him out and tell the children the reason IF it wasn't true. Something about his story and his reaction doesn't sit right with me.

Regardless though, the children are innocents in all of this and deserve as much help and support coming to terms with what's happening.

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