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Relationship breakdown with Emotionally Abusive ExP

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LittleIllusionMachine · 25/06/2012 12:54

This might be long, I'm sorry. I'm not really looking for anything from this thread other than to get out everything that I need to. I don't have anyone unbiased to talk to in RL.

DP of 9 years and I split up 3 months ago. It was my decision to leave after what I perceive to be a couple of years of unhappiness. We have a 3 year old daughter.

For 3 months now he has behaved awfully. He has always been emotionally abusive, but the last 3 months of incessant abuse has been like torture.

He has called me every name under the sun. I'm evil, I'm twisted, I'm a sick c**t. He tells me that I'm an awful mother, that I'm too selfish to keep her (because I left and broke up the family). He will tell me one minute that he worships the ground I walk on, that he wants to marry me etc. The next he will be telling me I'm a disgusting bitch. He tells me that he feels sorry for me as no-one will ever love me like he does. No man will ever love all my flaws like he does.

He says he feels sorry for me as I'm fucking my life up - one day when DD decides she wants to live with him and I'm all alone, I'll realise what a big mistake I've made. He thinks she WILL eventually want to live with him. He's probably right. He lets her get away with murder, buys her toys everytime he sees her. He feeds her crap all the time, whenever she wants sweets/biscuits he says yes. Of course when she comes home I'm the horrible Mummy who doesn't let her do those things. She has been coming out with little snippets such as "Daddy doesn't want this" which worries me that he is trying to manipulate her too. Sad

I had severe PND and PTSD after the birth of my daughter. He's thrown that back in my face. "You weren't capable of looking after her when she was born, and you aren't now" "You didn't even want her when she was born" Sad (Although I had PND and had some initial bonding issues, I looked after DD on my own for most of the time when she was little, she has always been loved and well cared for. I sought all kinds of help to get better and I'm recovered now).

He has threatened a couple of times to seek full custody of DD (he won't) and has said he will do anything to get it (i.e. threatening to drag up PND/PTSD and other mental health issues from my past). I don't actually believe for one minute he would get this but it's really upsetting. From the start I have suggested 50/50 care, but this isn't enough for him.

He says and does awful things, but says that it's my fault because the only reason he is doing it is that he is so in love with me. He is heartbroken and doesn't know how to handle it.

We very briefly got back together for a few days about a month ago. It didn't work as he lied about so much and behaved badly throught that week.

I have slept with someone else since we have been apart (a distraction I guess, only twice). When we got back together he told me that he knew I'd done something, if I told him honestly then he would move on. I told him. He went ballistic, telling me I was a slag, I was disgusting. He didn't know if he could ever forgive me. He told all of my family including Mum and Dad that I'd "fucked someone else" as if I'd cheated on him. Sad
He told me at the time he'd taken a girl from work on a date, but hadn't done anything "because that's the difference between us, you dirty bitch. I wouldn't do that". I was so confused and upset I begged him to forgive me and give us a second chance. He finally caved in and agreed, and I slept over with him for the night. He said he wanted to have sex to see if he could still feel the same way about me after what I'd done. I agreed, but felt awful. I thought he would throw me out straight after (he didn't). The next morning I noticed scratch marks on his back (not made by me). He come up with some lame excuse and I swallowed it. Anyway, long story short, a few days later he admitted that he had slept with her. The woman who he told me "was gorgeous, has the body of an 18 year old" who was chasing him for months. He had humiliated me when he had done the same thing.

I've since found out that he was texting her and giving her lifts to work while we were together, knowing that she was majorly into him. He has also slept with a second woman since we've been apart. When confronted, he says it's none of my business what he does. Later on he tells me that it's not true, that he only said he has slept with someone else to make me feel less guilty for what I did? Confused

He lies about everything. I don't know what to believe any more.

During this time, he kept going on and on and on about the other guy. He made me give him every tiny detail. I told him I didn't really enjoy it (not true but I couldn't tell the truth). He kept insisting that it was rape. I kept telling him that it wasn't AT ALL, that I wasn't going to call it that. (I have been raped and sexually assaulted in the past). When I asked him why he was so keen on me to call it rape, he said that it made him feel better to think I'd been raped than actually sleeping with someone. Sad Sad Sad After everything I've been through. Sad

Two weeks ago he wanted to talk to me in the car after work. I agreed (i've been trying as hard as I can to keep things as civil as possible for DD, always smoothing things over). He told me that he thought he had cancer. (He doesn't).

Since we split up (the second time, a month ago) things have escalated. I'm worried he is actually losing it. For the first time ever I believe he is more than capable of physical violence and I'm scared to be alone with him. He has told me a couple of times that he wants to kill me. I know they might be shallow threats but I'm starting to worry that it might happen.

The last time we were alone together he pushed me really hard across the room 3 times. He grabbed me by the throat. He held his fist to my face, and really aggresively put his face in my face.

A couple of weeks ago he asked to meet again after work in the car. This time he snatched my phone from me, locked the doors and sped off. He said I "should put the seatbelt on, it's the only thing that will save your face". He drove around really erratically, telling me we were going to "die together". I was trying to get my phone back, he was shoving me around. I was so scared I was screaming. It was only when I finally managed to get my phone and start calling someone he pulled over. I got out and he drove off saying "see you at my funeral".

A few days later he told me he was going to commit suicide. He disappeared for a whole night. Not before calling me at midnight saying "I hope you realise that this is all your fault, and you will have to explain it to DD when she's older. I hope you can live with yourself".

A few days after that he told me that 2 years ago he was attacked when he was working nights and sexually assaulted by a group of men. He has sought councelling from the doctors and they told him that he needs to sort the relationship issues out first. I told him that I'd be there for him but I can't get into a relationship. I feel so guilty as I've been through it. He says that "any decent human being would be there". Saying how he is pathetic he is for letting it happen, and how could I "dump him after what he'd told me, I must be heartless" etc.

All the while I have texts telling me how amazing and wonderful I am. He wants us to be a family. But I must not forget that if I don't come back to him I'm a c**t.

He is not eating anything. He tells me he can't keep any food down, that he's sicking up blood. He is taking 2 packs of painkillers a day. Smoking 60+ fags a day and drinking. He keeps telling me that "it won't be long". He's trying to slowly kill himself. His family and friends are not very supportive. Most of the family are alcoholics and his friends are mostly single dad's who have been "wronged" by the women in their lives. Although I'm still paying all his bills, I've cancelled some of them and now he's saying he is worried as he has no money. As much as I hate him, I still care very much and this is breaking me. I hate to see him so low which is why I'm being drawn in time and time again.

I've tried desperately to keep things as civil as possible for DD. I wanted her to have a stable upbringing, without all the "Dad hates Mum/Mum hates Dad" crap. I've taken and taken everything he has said and done without retaliating. Everything he does I forgive for her sake.

Now he has barely seen her at all in the past 3 weeks as he is so wrapped up in himself and his mission to kill himself. He is actually making himself ill. I can't bear this any more. He harrasses me at work, then tells me he is going to die and disappears for days so I'm worried. I'm stressed up to the eyeballs. I just don't know what to do.

Worst of all there is a niggling feeling in the back of my head that I've made the wrong decision and that I have fucked up. If I hadn't have left this wouldn't have happened.

Sorry.

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Tambasher · 25/06/2012 13:06

Don't be sorry. Smile

What would have happened if you had stayed ? He sounds very very messed up and very very abusive, if I were you I would cut off contact from him.

He is saying he will kill himself as he is looking for a reaction and by the sounds of things he is getting one. So what he is not eating ? His call not yours, I could put a bet on with you that he won't killhimself, he is looking for a reaction, any reaction from you.

I know it is easier said than done but I would cut all contact, have a Lawyers write him a letter stating all contact must be through Lawyers and get yourself away from this abusive cycle asap!

CogitoErgoSometimes · 25/06/2012 13:09

It's emotional blackmail and you have to do everything possible to harden your heart and not let it get to you. You have to protect your DD and not worry about civility. If he doesn't see her, she will not come to any harm whatsoever. In fact, when she is older and can judge for herself, she will probably thank you very much for getting her away from this frighteningly unstable man.

Agree that a solicitor would be a good option.

LittleIllusionMachine · 25/06/2012 13:13

There is so much more but I thought I'd better stop writing Blush.

I'm just so sad and constantly stressed I don't know what to do.

Last night he sent me a text at bedtime out of the blue and has since disappeared. He said:

"Thanks babe. Hope you're thinking of me pissing all over myself, sweating like a c**t and having wonderful nightmares of being raped. Oh no. You're sleeping enjoying your new life. Lovely. You're just about to get the fucking shock of your life. Night babe. Sweet dreams"

It just won't stop. It's getting worse. He is actually breaking me Sad

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confusedgypsychick · 25/06/2012 13:15

You poor thing! I'm sorry but he is NOT right! Not right in what he says to you and not right in the head!

Can you call someone and have him committed?

You need to stay away from him for your and your DD's sake. She does not need to be around or see her father like this. That's far more emotionally scarring than her parents splitting up!

You need to do everything you can to get away from this man before he hurts you or your DD.

LittleIllusionMachine · 25/06/2012 13:16

I know I need to break away. It's so so hard, I just feel like its all my fault so I have to take on the burden of responsibility for everything. I have to look after DD on my own, pay all the bills, go to work, and deal with this. I just don't know how much more I can take

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janelikesjam · 25/06/2012 13:16

Every sentence you write rings with his madness and abuse. Re-read it. Sick C, disgusting, dirty B*. Completely vile.

You are possibly very isolated, that happens to many women. But its something you need to address, especially as he sounds dangerous. I really think you need to get maximum, maximum advice and support, legal and otherwise, don't hold back. Women's Aid is often quoted here on MN.

LittleIllusionMachine · 25/06/2012 13:16

Does anyone have any idea of how long this might go on for?!!

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 25/06/2012 13:16

Stop worrying about him: he is no longer your concern. (and blatant manipulation on his part)

Any contact between you should only be about DD. It would be a great idea if this could be organised via a thrid party.

Definitely get a solicitor's advice, and a written down contact agreement regarding your DD.

You need time to heal from the way he has treated you, and that can only happen if you are no longer involved in his drama.

Do also report his threats to kill you to the police.

DamselInTornDress · 25/06/2012 13:17

Your exP is abusive and manipulative. He threatens suicide to guilt you into feeling something for him, which you don't. Stop reacting to him. Tell him he is your ex for very good reason and you don't want him back, you don't want to sort anything out with him, and if he can't be reasonable when it comes to child sharing you will let the courts sort it out. Just stop being guilted by this man. He doesn't love you. He loves the control he has over you and the fear and insecurity he brings out in you. That make him feel like a big man. He's a small man. Treat him as such. Stop all contact!

confusedgypsychick · 25/06/2012 13:17

Change your phone number. So he can't text you anymore.

DamselInTornDress · 25/06/2012 13:18

Next time he texts you threatening suicide, call the police, show them the text and they will have him sectioned for his own good!

janelikesjam · 25/06/2012 13:21

Agree. He sounds quite mad. Make sure everyone knows. Get everyone on your side. Get the advice and support you need. Protect yourself. Protect your child. Then one day (soon) you can think about the new life you want for yourself and your child.

stubbornstains · 25/06/2012 13:25

Well....you know what? You made the right decision.

Good to get it all down. Are you keeping a diary of all he says/does? Your original post is pretty comprehensive- I would C&P it and save a copy, for evidence.

You know that it's common for threats and violence to escalate, don't you? Do all you can to protect yourself- make sure locks are changed- never agree to be alone with him, etc.etc.

Other posters will be along soon with better advice about that aspect.

And disengage, disengage. It's not your responsibility what he does to himself. He's probably not starving himself at all. To be honest, to an impartial, disengaged stranger, self pitying, loopy text messages like that actually come across as almost funny.

Keep strong!

CogitoErgoSometimes · 25/06/2012 13:26

It's not your fault. This man is unstable and dangerous. You have not made him behave this way, he is doing that entirely of his own volition. Calling the police would be a smart move. Change your mobile phone so that he can't bully you with calls and texts. Stop paying his bills - people who threaten to kill you don't deserve financial support. Don't agree to meet. Consider staying with friends.

Lottapianos · 25/06/2012 13:27

He is a classic abuser, albeit a really extreme version. This is not all in your head OP - he knows exactly what he's doing and he's trying to drive you crazy with guilt. It's understandable that you're doubting yourself after what you've experienced in the past, but please listen to people on here who are looking at your situation from the outside .

Please please start to distance yourself from him - absolutely get police and solicitor involved. And change your number. Please change your number. Your don't need to be reading such sickening, vile texts. I refused to change my number after I left my abusive ex and I had head-wrecking text message from him for five years after I left him. Do it now, don't waste time like I did.

You and your DD are worth so much more than this.

akaemmafrost · 25/06/2012 13:27

Blimey your ex appears to be following a manual. The manual is called "How the abusive man behaves when his significant other finally wises up to what a Loser he is and dumps his sorry arse!". He is ticking every box.

First things first, contact the police immediately and make a formal complaint re assault and harassment. Hopefully you're in an area like mine where they take dv VERY seriously. Tell them EVERYTHING.

You need to get someone on your side. My ex was/is very similar to what you describe, a big bully.

For ex that was all it took, every now and then he steps things up again, I call the police and he subsides after they have had a quiet word.

It may be that yours is more tenacious than that but you really, really do have to inform the police what is going on.

mistlethrush · 25/06/2012 13:28

And what are you doing paying the bills! Its not your concern. All that should be your concern is yourself and your dd. He is not your responsibility.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 25/06/2012 13:28

If you still have the texts he has been sending you, give those to the police too when you report his death threats against you and threats of suicide.

And again: what he does to himself is his own business. You need not even think of it, let alone feel responsible.

I would say that police + contact through a contact centre are your priorities right now. Get this loon as far removed from you as possible.

Tambasher · 25/06/2012 14:04

Can you change your number/sim card ?

I see you asked how long will this go on for?

Answer: As long as you allow it to, I allowed it to go on for over a year and almost lost the plot in the process.

The thing is you start to believe these men, you become part of the cycle, you really need to remove yourself from this, losing that phone number would be very difficult but worth it so much in the end for your own sanity!!

He sounds like he has all the signs of "The Dominator" he knows exactly what he is doing, he will be fine, well as fine as he can be, please cut contact, for yourself and DD, otherwise in answer to your question it will go on for as long as you allow it and that like, me could turn into a waste of a year or even more.

Have you ever thought about counselling? Just someone to make things clearer in your own head? Womens Aid are fantatsic, I thought I was wasting their time, they disagreed, infact they disagreed so much instead of doing a course with them I have one-to-one counselling and this is being in no contact for 6 months of him, and being apart for 19 months, he still tries to get to me via facebook, but I have blocked myself from looking at his page.

Xales · 25/06/2012 18:11

Call the police!

Don't have any contact with him. If he needs to see your daughter then arrange it so a third party is there with her and him or a contact centre.

Get a solicitor and get an order that prevents him from coming near you.

Don't get in the car with him again If he turns up at work to talk to you call the police and tell them this violent abusive thug is harrassing you.

If he threatens suicide again say fine I am hanging up and calling the police and do so. If he commits suicide it is not your fault.

Buy a new sim and only put the old one in once a week to discuss him seeing your daughter.

And please stop paying his bills and wasting your money on this waste of space!

scentednappyhag · 25/06/2012 18:18

Wow. Just wow. What a nasty piece of work.
Call the police, he's telling you he's a danger to himself do let the police do what they need to.
He's not your responsibility, and NONE of this is your fault. You will get through this a stronger person, he will still be a deranged fuck wit.
You deserve to be free of this. You deserve to be happy.

Kernowgal · 25/06/2012 18:32

I don't think you're able to see quite how serious this is. I would be straight on to the police. I'd say block his number but actually I think you should keep his texts as they might be useful in the future were the worst to happen and his behaviour escalates. My ex behaved badly when I finally got rid of him, but nothing like this, and yet I still found him scary enough. Please please please call the police on the 101 number, you are not wasting their time as he is behaving in the most appalling way and they will be able to advise you on how to proceed. If he is genuinely mentally disturbed then the police will involve the relevant authorities.

I'm with akaemmafrost here: please, please please, call the police. At best what he is doing constitutes serious harassment, which is something the police are supposed to take very seriously.

You must not, under any circumstances, be alone with him. Does he have keys? Get the locks changed as a matter of urgency. I would postpone any contact between him and your daughter until he is able to demonstrate reasonable behaviour. Until then you aren't doing your daughter any favours by letting her see him. I would also consider getting a solicitor and thinking about a non-molestation order.

Kernowgal · 25/06/2012 18:34

And yes, this is NOT your fault!

By the way, just for clarification - "I don't think you're able to see how serious this is" was meant in a nice way, in that you're so embroiled in it and you care for him so much that you can't think rationally. Please don't think I was being critical!

Kernowgal · 25/06/2012 18:37

From www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q151.htm

Harassment with fear of violence is committed by a person whose course of conduct causes another to fear that on at least two occasions, violence will be used against him/her and who knows that his/her behaviour will cause fear of violence on each of those occasions.

The incidents must be related (so they become a course of conduct) and cannot be isolated. The further apart the incidents are, the less likely there is to be an offence of harassment.

The law takes into account the "reasonable person" test. Basically this means that if it was felt that a person of reasonable firmness (i.e. the average person on the street) would not fear violence, the offence is not committed.

Example:

B and C are in a relationship which ends acrimoniously. B continually rings and texts C with threatening messages directed towards her and her new partner. B threatens violence towards them and the house in which they live. C is fearful and distressed as she knows that B was violent throughout their relationship and she believes he could carry out some of the threats. This is likely to be an offence of harassment with fear of violence.

If you feel that you are being harassed and you want to involve the police then you should contact your local police on a non-emergency number and they will take details. If there are any threats of violence towards you, you should inform them, and they will treat the matter with greater urgency.

If you don't want to involve the police, you can see a solicitor who can, if necessary, begin civil proceedings. If your claim succeeds you may be awarded damages and/or an injunction. If there are any threats of violence then you are always advised to involve the police.

LurkingAndLearningForNow · 25/06/2012 18:40

OH MY GOD! You have to call the police! I'd also tell them you're terrified he might hurt your daughter in retaliation. And yes, they WILL believe you. No matter what he has you thinking, they. ill. Believe. You. Even if you can't believe that, you have proof. His texting will be his downfall.

He sounds completely unhinged.

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