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I don't know what to do about my FIL

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manchestermummy · 15/06/2012 13:52

This is likely to be long so as not to drip-feed.

My PIL split up when DH was 10 and his Dsis was in her early teens. FIL had an affair and subsequently married the other woman. I get the impression that FIL put my MIL down throughout their marriage and never once supported her. She gave up working to have her DC but FIL said it she'd been useless anyway. That sort of thing. FIL saw his DC weekly and chucked money at them on birthdays etc. but offered no emotional support whatsoever. Both DH and SIL (his Dsis) were ridiculued in their choices and were forced to do what he said. DH dropped out of university twice as a result before going back a third time doing what he wanted. SIL gained a first, but FIL told her that she's amount to nothing and would be better off in a chip shop. Sad Both got into debt (at a time when university and debt didn't necessarily go hand-in-hand) at university because he refused to offer any financial assitance: he has a good job and was earning an awful lot back then, as he was always telling them!

FIL's always disliked me - he actually told me I was a waste of time once and spread a rumour that I was forcing DH to covert to Judasim which, even if it had been true - which it was not - he should not have had any sort of issue with, given that he denounced his Catholic faith in his 20s. He had a face like thunder during our wedding (civil ceremony) and it is clear he has never approved of our marriage. In particular he makes derogatory comments about my job and my working.

DH and I met when we were 18. Been together 9 years and married for 6. We have 2 DC. Three weeks before DC1 was due, FIL decided that it was time for SIL to get on the property ladder so came up with the idea of buying our house from us so that we could buy his, and SIL would buy ours. We would sell complete with furniture. We'd only lived there a year ourselves and he had had nothing nice to say about it up until that point His house was nowhere near, but he thought it would be fine because I'm Jewish and "there are lots of Jews there". I'd be miles from my parents - my only family, and to whom both DH and I am very close. The catch was that he would own half our houses. And in ten years, we would sell up and split the proceeds. Suffice to say this did nothing to improve an already strained relationship.

SIL and her then DH decided they would buy FIL's house. When he refused to even contribute to the stamp duty (the house was over 250k) they backed out. He was being made redundant and was relying on us to supply him with funds from the sale of his house and he blamed DH and I for everything.

Over the next three years we barely saw him. We did try, but he only would come and visit when he was free (it didn't matter if we weren't) and would give us only two days' notice; sometimes just 12 hours. His lives around 150 miles away so clearly we don't expect to see a lot of him! We invited him to DD1's 2nd birthday but he refused. Imagine our surprise when he turned up at a garden party at MIL's the weekend before! He'd not RSVP'd yet, just said "Oh by the way, I'm not coming".

DD2 came along when DD1 was three. She was born the day of an uncle's birthday party, to which we had been invited, but having given birth less than 24 hours previously, were hardly likely to attend. The uncle in question was so kind about that, he understood completely and there was zero pressure to even feel bad about not going! FIL, on the other hand, was extremely cross. It meant that he might have to make an extra trip our way to see the baby. Indeed, he gave us baby clothes in neutral colours and a "congratulations on the baby" card. We didn't know what we were having, and it looked like he'd done that so he could just drop it off when next visiting without having to make any sort of special trip.

We've seen him a handful of times since then. A few weekends ago, we went away him, his DW, SIL and her DP. It was a horrendous weekend. FIL interferred at every step of the way, nothing we did was right. DD2 was coming down with something, and and she's 19 months, was a bit of a handful, as poorly toddlers can be! A few days ago, he e-mailed DH to tell him we need to sort DD2 out, that her ways need correcting and that we need to shout at her lots. Like he did across the table to make her cry. She's 19 mo ffs and we don't shout at our children. He e-mailed this, didn't even have the guts to have a conversation.

Writing it down seems minor, but I'm very upset and as usual, his behaviour is condoned by MIL and SIL as "just being FIL". I never want to see him again, and I never want my DDs to see him again either. I don't want them near that sort of negativity. Would I be right?

I'm sorry that this is so long. My heart is breaking for my DH who has put up with a lifetime of put-downs; how can a parent be like this?! I'm also upset that someone thinks we've made a mess of our 19mo.

Thanks for reading. I just needed to get it out.

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CailinDana · 15/06/2012 13:57

Did the malarkey with the houses go ahead? That bit isn't clear.

What's your DH's take on the whole thing?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/06/2012 14:00

None of what you write would seem minor at all.

Does DH want to cut him off as of now?.

Yes, you would be well within your rights never to see this toxic individual again. Your FILs opinion means sod all actually, he has no right to dictate to you like this. Do not let him upset you.

It is not your fault FIL is the way he is; his own childhood was likely abusive and his own birth family damaged him. That does not excuse his behaviour though.

He brings nothing positive at all into any of your lives. It is better to detach and ignore him completely. Block his e-mail address so that you don't have to read any more communiques/demands from him.

He made your DH's childhood along with that of his sister's a complete misery and FIL continues to be selfish to this day. Don't put up with MIL and SIL either saying of this person, "just being FIL". Its a copout on their part.

You may well want to read "Toxic Inlaws" written by Susan Forward as this may well help you.

manchestermummy · 15/06/2012 14:27

Sorry, I wasn't clear about the house issue. No, it didn't go ahead. DH has always said we shouldn't decided for our DDs if they see him or not.

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CailinDana · 15/06/2012 15:00

So your DH holds your DDs responsible for deciding who's good for them and who's not? Can he see how mental that is? He knows exactly what FIL is like, he knows he's a twat and yet he's not willing to protect his DDs from him. He's happy for your poor DD to be shouted at by a bully. Not a great response from him IMO.

manchestermummy · 15/06/2012 15:19

DH is a good man; he genuinely wants to keep the peace.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/06/2012 15:23

"DH has always said we shouldn't decided for our DDs if they see him or not".

No, that is not your childrens' responsibility. His job as well as yours is to protect these young people from toxic people like his Dad.

BTW what was your response to that above comment made by DH?.

BadSkiingMum · 15/06/2012 15:40

I have a father who is similarly difficult. Not the same things, obviously, but equally obstructive, irrational, bullying and neglectful of his family's feelings.

I hardly see him from one year to the next and my life is much better for it. He has only bothered to see his grandson once (14 weeks) and turned down an invitation to his first birthday party. My son is now 2.9 and I don't feel he is lacking anything from not seeing a toxic man who has previously cut off contact with his own daughters when it suited him.

olgaga · 15/06/2012 15:44

I don't even understand why you would think any of this is "minor".

It's really up to you as parents whether you want your DDs to have this awful influence in your family life.

Your DH clearly needs some help and support to deal with the situation, but in your position I would be asking him in all honesty whether he is really prepared to see his own daughter treated like that again. What in reality does this man add to your family life which is in any way positive?

You don't have to put up with it - certainly not for your children's sake!

pippop1 · 15/06/2012 15:46

Do you think he is antisemitic and that is one of the problems? He is, I'm afraid, unlikely to change his view.

He may also not like having (technically) Jewish grandchildren and perhaps that is why he is unkind to DD2?

Perhaps you could get DH to ask him about it and see what he says. This may help you to make up your mind about your DCs seeing him.

Hebiegebies · 15/06/2012 15:51

Could you ask DH what positives he has got from knowing his dad, and what's been negative. Then ask if the balance is sufficiently in favour of maintaining relationship, or if it's best to stop contact with FiL

ivykaty44 · 15/06/2012 16:04

I think you need to take a different stance on this. Shouting at a 19month old, for goodness sake Fil you are sooo clueless aren't you and out of touch. Last time you shouted at dd she cryed at your ugly shouting and upset everyone,best you don't interfer and upset everyone by making small children cry then laugh.

he puts everyone down as it makes him feel better, he emails all this to you as he can then in himself feel better. We all know he knows diddley squat - so say it out loud often and loudly in a manner of ways and at the end laugh as he is a big joke.

He will most probably stop interfering as he know he will be made to look a bit foolish if he does...and he doesn't want to look foolish as it spoils his ego

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 15/06/2012 16:29

DH is a good man; he genuinely wants to keep the peace.

No doubt he does. He has probably learned from a very young age how to keep the peace in order to avoid fatherly tantrums.

'Keeping the peace' in the face of bullying is not the wisest recourse, though. You stand up to bullies. Otherwise all they learn is that they can do it again.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 15/06/2012 16:32

I second the recommendation that you read Toxic In-laws by Susan Forward.

lisaro · 15/06/2012 16:36

You seem to feel that he should financially help you/your dp and sil. Why should he?

lisaro · 15/06/2012 16:37

Although he should not shout at someone else's child.

DontCallMeYourMajesty · 15/06/2012 16:38

He sounds foul. Would DH think it was up to a pair of small children to decide for themselves if they wanted to see a grandfather who hit them? No? He shouldn't be taking that attitude towards verbal abuse either.

CailinDana · 15/06/2012 16:42

I have no doubt that your DH is a good man but he needs to realise that sacrificing his daughters' happiness in order to "keep the peace" is totally unacceptable. It's obvious that you are very upset by this man too - is he happy to put up with that in order to "keep the peace?" My FIL can be a bit of a bully at times but I told DH in no uncertain terms that he absolutely has to stand up for me or FIL won't be allowed in our house any more. If he starts in on DS then that's it, we definitely won't be seeing him again. I can put up with a certain amount of nastiness but there's no reason on earth my DS has to. DS is only 18 months and he already rejects FIL in favour of MIL (who is far far nicer). Says a lot really.

MissFenella · 15/06/2012 16:57

Is he anti semitic, it seems so from your comments on his behaviour?

I am not sure why you would put any effort at all in being near this person. No need to be rude or make a big show but, if you stop making the effort to create a 'close family' with him he will no doubt leave you alone.

manchestermummy · 15/06/2012 17:41

Thanks so much for all of your responses. I think it might be time to do some bridge-burning...

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