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Help me understand my mum's perspective

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Thistledew · 11/06/2012 13:06

DP and I have just got engaged (Yay!), but the response from my DM has be distinctly underwhelming. I am not quite sure what I am asking in this post, so apologies if I ramble a bit. I suppose I could just do with some advice/views to help my understand my DM's response.

DP and I have been together for over four years, and we bought a house together nearly two years ago, so engagement/marriage has been on the cards for a while. He is a very good man: kind, honest, hardworking, generous with his time and attention to others, is very much a homemaker and will be a brilliant dad. We are quite different in some ways - I am far more political than he is, and am passionate about my demanding career, whereas he is much more of a work-to-live person, and his life outside work is more important to him. However, we are very alike in terms of our views on politics generally, religion, how to raise children etc, and we have several overlaps in terms of how we like to spend our free-time. Being with DP makes me feel very happy, strong, and confident, and I know that I am making the right decision by marrying him (yes, I do love him lots too, but am very much a head over heart type so hence putting this as an add-on!).

Despite this, my DM has said that she does not like DP. She says that she doesn't dislike him, but that she can't find any common ground with him, and that she finds him difficult to talk to. She is perfectly polite and welcoming to him even when he has visited my parents without me being there, and she always tries to buy him something he will really like for birthdays and Christmas.

I know really that I should let it go, that I can't force her to like him, and that I should be content that she is nice to him despite not getting on with him, but it does bother me, and I can't work out why or what I should do about it.

I think one reason that I am bothered by it is that my previous long-term relationship was awful. ExP was physically, emotionally, sexually and financially abusive towards me for the whole 6 years we were together. I did not tell DM about this at the time, but have told her some of it after we split. DM liked ExP. Despite the fact that the majority of stuff that came out of his mouth was complete BS nonsense, and that his understanding of and interest in current affairs was pretty non-existent, she could apparently talk to him. She used to say that he was "good for me" (No, mother, he made me damn miserable). It was despite him, not because of him, that I turned from a very shy teenager who found it difficult to talk to different people, into a gregarious adult.

I don't blame DM for not picking up on how unhappy I was when I was with ExP, as I never told her, but I think that is part of the problem. When I was a young teenager living at home, relationships with boys were 'disapproved of', as DM wanted me to concentrate on my studies and my sport. As a result, my first relationship of any description was not until I was 19 and had left home. I think that this has been a large reason why DM and I don't have a script, or language to talk about relationships.

One other thing that is nagging at me is DM's reaction when I first told her I was in a relationship with DP. She was initially interested, but when I told her who DP was, she seemed to be immediately negative. She had met DP once ten years previously. We knew each other from when we were teenagers, and DM had given DP a lift in our car for about 20 minutes. I brushed her reaction off at the time, but wonder if it has led her to view him in a negative light from the start.

I think that part of my unease about DM's reaction is that I am still lacking in a bit of trust in myself to pick a good partner, after my disastrous judgment with ExP, and it makes me a bit uncomfortable that DM would obviously prefer it if I had not decided to marry DP.

As I said, I don't really know what I am asking here. I am sorry to have written such an essay and thank you if you have read this far! I suppose that any suggestions as to how I might talk to DM about this, or how I can move on and not let it bother me, would be gratefully received.

And before anyone asks - my Dad has been much more congratulatory, but he comes from an age and background in which men did not talk about their feelings, so although I can talk to him about almost literally any subject under the sun to do with politics, history, philosophy etc, I don't think I have ever had a successful conversation with him about feelings. I love him to bits, but he is just not that sort of dad!

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Thistledew · 11/06/2012 14:42

Hissy - I am sorry for your own relationship with your DM. It sounds like you have a lot to work through there. I know that my mum's own awareness of how toxic her parents were has come quite late in life for her: the therapy I mentioned was to help her deal with a near-death experience after she was in a bad car accident, but it gave her a much deeper and clearer understanding of how poor her childhood was.

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CailinDana · 11/06/2012 14:43

Have you ever talked to her about your ex and what a hard time you had with him?

Thistledew · 11/06/2012 14:47

In part. I told her about the emotional abuse, but not the physical and sexual. She has said that she is sorry that I had to go through it.

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CailinDana · 11/06/2012 14:58

Were you happy with her response?

Thistledew · 11/06/2012 15:09

Sort of - There is a part of me that feels very sorry for myself that no-one noticed that I was unhappy. Not my parents, not his mother (even though she knew more than most about what was going on as she was the only one who could talk him down when he was in a drunken rage), not any of the people I associated with at Uni, or the few people I could call friends, nor anyone I worked with. I suppose part of me would like her to say she was sorry for not noticing it, but if I managed to hide it so not even my friends could tell, I find it hard to feel that she was at fault for not noticing.

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Thistledew · 11/06/2012 15:12

It is pointless having regrets about that period in my life though. I made a decision not to regret it, but instead to be thankful for the fact that it made me the person I am today, with all my strengths and weaknesses. If I did regret that time, it would give it too much importance, and would mean I partially regret where I am now.

(does that make any sense at all?)

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CailinDana · 11/06/2012 15:18

Yes, that does make sense, totally. I feel the same way about some shit things that happened in my life.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/06/2012 15:33

Thistledew,

I think it would help you tremendously if you were to talk to a counsellor about your relationship with her mother and why she holds your ex partner in such high regard and esteem.

She has not shown much kindness to your current partner at all; she has told you about her total antipathy towards him and her low opinion of him will not change once you marry.

If you had been fully open to your mother about the abuse you suffered at the hands of your ex, would she have really helped you?. Doubt it very much actually. Abuse however thrives on secrecy and you hid this likely out of shame and embarrassment.

You write that your mother has been controlling; I would argue that she still is and the money given to you now as a couple is another form of control. Its not totally without unspoken conditions attached.

Thistledew · 11/06/2012 16:05

Attila - Thanks for your posts, and for taking time to reply, but I do think you are off the mark with this one. I am quite sure that if I had told DM about the abuse then she would have helped. As it was, she (again) helped me out financially so that I could re-pay ExP the money he had put towards the deposit of the property that was in my name, so that I could have a clean break from him. I hid the abuse, partly, as you say, out of embarrassment, but it was more like mis-placed protection of Ex P, as I did not want people to know how messed up he was.

I really don't see what unspoken conditions are attached to the money she has given me for the wedding. Can you explain more? I recognise that she does still try to be controlling now, and she herself has acknowledged that she is a control-freak by nature, but I think that it is something that we are both now aware of and that we do have more appropriate boundaries in our relationship. I certainly don't feel controlled by her.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/06/2012 16:37

Hi Thistledew

Your mother may have helped but equally in a previous post of yours she said that your ex was "good for you". Abusers can indeed be charming to all those in the outside world but your mother I think picked up on something in him that she saw and thus normalised in her own childhood.

I hope I am wrong re the money and that it is given to you fully by her with good intentions and with nothing behind it. You do not however, want to have any financial obligations to this person because it can be used as a stick to hit you with in future. Controlling people often use money to get back at what they see as "errant" children or use money to buy off any past "misdeamenours" as they see it towards their children now adult.

We grow up seeking approval, affirmation, and even love from our parents. Part of why it?s so difficult to confront our parents is we don?t want to disappoint or anger them. Even as grown children, we want them to keep loving us ? even when we feel like we hate them! A tip for coping with controlling parents ? or any toxic person in your life ? is to recognize your need to please them, and let go of it. Or, at least learn how to live with it. My personal advice is to let go of this need to please your mother and seek her approval. You were and are not on this earth to please your mother and its okay not to seek her approval.

On quite another this time happier note, I hope that you and your fiance will be happy together).

Thistledew · 11/06/2012 17:27

Hi Atilla

Thanks for taking time to post such a long reply. I do appreciate it.

I can sort of see where the "good for you" comment came from: as a teenager, I was shy, and found it hard to engage with or find common ground with people who were from or at a different place in their lives to where I was. Whilst I was with ExP I got over this, and became much more able to engage with other people. Part of this development was just me growing up and finding my own path in life, but I think being on the receiving end of abuse opened my eyes to life and people in general in a way that I might not have seen if I had not.

What does irk me is that DM seemed to attribute this to DP, rather than giving me credit for the fact I may have got there anyway as I grew up. I think this stems from the same feeling of her not trusting my judgment to have made the right decision now.

I do wonder where this comes from. Maybe she is projecting her own feelings of inadequacy onto me, and not trusting that she has done a good enough job of preparing me for life?

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Thistledew · 11/06/2012 17:30

Thanks for the congrats, too! Grin DP is a lovely guy and makes me very happy. Somehow, I seem to make him happy too!

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