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The Things We Do When We're Young...

36 replies

AllTangledUp · 10/06/2012 11:48

Ok, so I've name changed for this because, quite frankly, it's a bit of a dickhead situation for a woman of my age (mid-twenties). But here we go.

When I was 16, I cheated on my boyfriend of 3 years (I told you, this one is a bit of a weird one). It wasn't really working anymore and it wasn't the most healthy of relationships (he'd cheated on me numerous times, as I suppose young hormone crazy boys do) but rather than just ending it, I embarked on a short-lived "thing" with a slightly older guy. I came clean about it the morning after, but for a period of a month or so, we were both in limbo (as in, I didn't feel like I could end it and he wouldn't let me... no excuse). He got mega hurt in this time, stopped going to college (he was incredibly clever) and basically became a recluse.

Anyway, like I said, I'm mid-twenties now. I moved on with my life, got married to DH, TTC. He also moved on with his life, but in a really dysfunctional way. Was doing lots of drugs, going in and out of relationships and just did nothing. He was really, really smart. Now he's had a child with someone (who, sadly cheats on him - he doesn't know, none of his friends want to tell him and there is NO WAY I'm stepping into that shit storm) and everyone comments (some mutual friends left) on how depressed he looks all the time. I don't know whether to believe this, but we've seen each other in the street/whatever less than a handful of times since we broke up wayyy back when. And he still looks at me with so much hate and even ended up yelling at me one night when I saw him out in town about 2 years ago (he came up to me).

Now, I don't feel sorry for myself for him being angry at me. I totally get that it was shit times caused by me. I don't want his forgiveness because, quite frankly, that'd be well self indulgent of me and do nothing for him. I'd rather continue to stay away like I have done.

Basically, my question is, all these years on, should I still feel like a mega asshole like I do? I just feel like his life has gone down a route it wouldn't have if I'd acted different. I would NEVER do this to anyone ever again, just simply wouldn't, and if I could go back and give 16 year old me a slap, I would. Hard. My friends (mutual friends) say that he should have got a grip and just dealt with it because "we were only young" but I think that it's the early experiences that shape us as people.

I find myself not being able to get over this guilt about how much he hates me and I think about it everyday. I don't think I'm a bad person, I just made a stupid mistake as a 16 yr old. It's now had this kind of affect, or been the catalyst for it and I feel like the biggest asshole ever. I wouldn't have thought it was anything to do with me but he told me that everything was my fault on aforementioned night when drunk.

It's been almost ten years. Time for me to put the big girl pants on and leave him to it? Is a break-up aftermath like that always the wrong-doers (me) fault, or is it his decision to wallow in it?

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MaBumble · 10/06/2012 12:00

Ok, so when you were basically a kid in a relationship with a cheating boyfriend you slept with someone else. And 10 years on this guy is still blaming you for all HIS life choices. And you feel guilty?

Seriously, you have nothing to feel guilty about. You were 16. You've learned and moved on. He is just not taking responsability for his own actions. You did not destroy his life. You are not responsible, he is.

MaBumble · 10/06/2012 12:03

By the way, how old was he at the time?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 10/06/2012 12:03

Yes, leave him to it. Some people love past wrongs because it gives them a nice fat excuse not to take responsibility for their own failures but to blame it on everyone else. Even if he'd never met you, you can guarantee he'd have a stack of other reasons why the world is out to get him. Leave him to his self-imposed misery and be thankful you got away.

RancerDoo · 10/06/2012 12:05

I'm sure if you were not such a convenient patsy he would find someone else to blame for his problems.

Loads of people get hurt in teenage relationships. Most people are balanced enough to cry a bit, realise that sometimes crap happens, man up and move on.
He clearly wasn't, but that is not your fault.

TheDreadedFoosa · 10/06/2012 12:05

Honestly, if you feel like a bad person every day over this and really genuinely think a boyfriend/girlfriend not being monogamous at 16 can screw someones life up then i think maybe there are underlying anxiety issues for you.

His life is a bit crap, so are lots of peoples. He's not aggressive toward you because you deeply wounded him, hes aggressive because hes a twat.

AllTangledUp · 10/06/2012 12:06

MaBumble He was the same age as me. I feel exactly how you've just said, but just wanted some outside perspective because I felt I may be being harsh

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AllTangledUp · 10/06/2012 12:08

TheDreadedFoosa Other than this, I'm happy :) It's just a bit difficult to get my head around the level of hate, and makes me feel really uneasy. We still have some mutual friends, so perhaps that is why, because I still hear occasional things about him.

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cupcake78 · 10/06/2012 12:09

Guilt is a completely unhelpful emotion! Their is not one person on this earth that hasn't done something that has directly or indirectly hurt someone else! It's called life, it's called growing up.

You are not responsible for him, he made his choices and he can change his life if he really wants to.

You have learned that cheating on someone is not ideal and makes you feel rubbish. Well done, a lot of people never make that connection. Put it down to experience, it's part of your history, leave it their, focus on now and use your learning to make good choices for you and your family!

Life is too short

Pollykitten · 10/06/2012 12:10

16??? Sounds like he's got a bad dose of Small Town Blues. Who doesn't have their heart broken at that age, it's just part of growing up and learning about love and relationships. It's NORMAL. We make our own choices, every day, minute by minute, we are responsible for our own lives. Just take off that heavy rucksack of unwanted/out of date feelings and sling it off the nearest cliff.

izzyizin · 10/06/2012 12:10

Get over this 'guilt'? What guilt would that be?

Much as you may enjoy casting yourself as 'the girl who broke his heart and he was never the same again', the reality is that he was a self-entitled twat back in the day and he hasn't changed.

Being 'clever' isn't a reliable indicator of emotional intelligence. Life's a learning curve and as yet, he's chosen not to learn from his experiences. End of.

ForestSweep · 10/06/2012 12:10

If he was an extremely successful business man with a great career, a beautiful wife, gorgeous kids and loads of money you wouldn't be patting yourself on the back and thinking "I helped him to be what he is today" and I don't think this is any different. It's not your fault. :)

CogitoErgoSometimes · 10/06/2012 12:16

It's probably not hate but resentment. 'Very bright' people who fall off the rails and underachieve are often resentful & depressed. I suppose it's normal to feel that you may have played a small part in his downfall but, from what you describe, he was headed that way already. Repeat the phrase 'Not My Problem' until you believe it.

MeCookGoodSock · 10/06/2012 12:18

I agree with the other posters. He would not accredit you with any success he may have in his life but he is happy to blame you for his failures. It's not about you it's about him and the back bone he is lacking.

TheDreadedFoosa · 10/06/2012 12:18

He is probably shitty towards countless people, because thats who he is. Nothing to do with you or anything youve done.

AllTangledUp · 10/06/2012 12:19

Thanks for this. I know this is 100% right and is what I've been saying to myself - I got cheated on when 18, I was upset and all the usual script and got over it and moved on.

izzyizin I don't - I felt a bit guilty initially, but he outright told me that everything thus far was my fault. I thought it was a bit extreme, but just wanted some other opinions.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 10/06/2012 12:22

Yes that's extreme. He's a nasty, resentful little bugger who wants to bring you as low as he is. If he ever accused you of ruining his life again have some prepared answers... 'it's not my fault you're a sad git'... for example.

cupcake78 · 10/06/2012 12:25

He needs to take responsibility for himself and not give it to your! He's talking shit! Don't take on his crap it's not yours to have

AllTangledUp · 10/06/2012 12:27

Cognito He told my DH that I would do the same to him... which just made me 'meh'. That was just ridiculous.

Thank you for this. I know it's a fucking stupid thread but it's just been niggling. Didn't know if I was actually the asshole or not, heard it that many times.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 10/06/2012 12:38

He sounds quite obsessed to me. Deliberately hanging around like yesterday's fish & attempting to ruin your happiness the way he has opted to ruin his own. I wouldn't be surprised if the stories you hear via mutual friends are planted. His little 'threat' towards your husband is him trying to create suspicion. I would cut this nasty man out of your life completely without a backward glance

AllTangledUp · 10/06/2012 12:45

He went up to DH when he was out one night before we got married and said that. DH, ever the reserved and collected man, just said something along the lines of 'Thanks for the heads up, now fuck off'. The thing that is weird is that his current partner also spreads a lot of shit about me. It's bizarre. Small Town Blues indeed.

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habbibu · 10/06/2012 12:49

So, when you were both children, he cheated on you, and then you did the same, and yet it didn't ruin your life? He sounds like an idiot, but also possibly someone who was very likely to head down this road no matter what, tbh.

habbibu · 10/06/2012 12:50

There is, I think, a lot to be said for not living where you grew up!

BalloonSlayer · 10/06/2012 12:58

So what about all the times he was unfaithful to you?

Did you let that ruin your life, do you go up to him in the street and start yelling?

No, didn't think so.

You could, of course, next time he starts, say something like: "it was just revenge for all the times you cheated on me."

But what's the point in bothering with that really . . .

He is NOTHING to do with you any more.

I think the real problem here is that you are a nice person, and you see yourself as a nice person. You are too nice to broadcast about his shit behaviour, for instance. But you are only human and you don't like to have someone telling all and sundry about the one time you didn't behave brilliantly.

You are just going to have to brush it off, I'm afraid.

I also think you must stop worrying about him. The detail you go into of his failures and problems makes it seem to me that you hold yourself responsible. Stop that! At once! His own fuck-ups are his own responsibility.

AllTangledUp · 10/06/2012 12:58

habbibu You are so right - if I didn't have to be here at the moment for family reasons, I wouldn't be! A move - a big'un - will be occurring in the future. Can't wait. God, being 16 must have been really shite.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 10/06/2012 13:00

As a case-study he'd make a whole paper. He was the one cheating and yet you emerged from the experience still feeling like the bad guy ten years on. He subsequently keeps tabs on you (easy in a small town admittedly) feeding sob-stories to mutual friends. He warns off your new husband. It's attention-seeking from a distance. By having these pops at you, you're thinking about him and that makes him happy. Any way you can move to a different small town? Leave him physically behind?

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