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Mums 'BF' is back on the scene.....Again! (Sorry, its long)

25 replies

Back2Square1 · 07/06/2012 16:27

Where do I start? It's more of a AIBU or WWYD scenario!

My mum (50yrs) has been seeing a married man on/off for about 6 yrs.
When I say on/off, I really mean on/off.

He left his wife for her 2 yrs ago, that lasted a couple of weeks then went back to his wife. This has happened about 6 times since.
After the first 'break up' my mum confided in me that he had basically duped her into giving him alot of money. Her estimation is £20,000. She admitted this was the reason the home we grew up in was repossessed. I won't go into the reasons she gave it to him as there are many and she was partly to blame for being a mug.

The first time he left, his wife had the police looking for him as he left without contact for several weeks (he also has 2 teenage children). When they found him at my mothers address, he told them that he was too scared of my mother to leave so could they escort him home! Shock
The fucking weasel lied to get himself out of the situation.
Anyway after a while he managed to worm his way back in again.
All sorts of drama went on, arguements as he continued to feed my mother bullshit and she caught him out etc....I mean what was she thinking? Did she think that someone like that could change?

Another occasion he phoned the police I was there.
He called my mum while she was at my flat, they were fine, laughing and joking. Next thing, he put the phone down. DM heard his teenage DD pick up the other house phone and caught him out.
Two hours later the police turned up because he had phoned them to say she had been harrassing him.
I had to make a statement, DM had to show history of texts & phone calls to prove she was seeing him again.
He had used the police to dig himself out of it again. They gave him a warning for wasting police time.
This happened on one other occasion too.

While this was going on, things with DM became very strained.
DM has had severe depression & anxiety since her teens, has been hospitalised when we were children with a breakdown so as you can imagined she spiralled downhill. She was suicidal, having psychotic episodes, self neglect etc..
She is seeing a psychiatrist still, has behaviour therapy etc...
I have 3 DB's but as I am the only girl I think she takes most of her stress out on me.
She has screamed and shouted at me in supermarkets, threatened to hit me infront of people and also my DD......It got so bad I was regularly on the phone to her CPN as I didn't know what else to do.
My DB's have all had similar issues but not as extreme as I had had with her.

The last 6 months he has had no contact, DM has improved mentally, family relationships have improved. We havn't argued for ages over anything.....Until she dropped the bombshell that he's in tough again.

DM offered to have DD (7 yrs) while I had an appointment. Then casually dropped in that he would be there as they are talking again.
I tried very hard not to say anything there and then as I had to pick my jaw up off the floor. All I said was I wasn't happy for her to look after DD while he was about so would make other arrangements.

She came over today, I was dreading it as my DM cannot let anything go. She will still bring up things from 20 yrs ago and throw it in your face so naturally I was treading on egg shells.

She brought up the issue of me not wanting DD around 'The Dickhead'.
She was livid. I told her that I didn't want to get involved, her life is her business, I don't want to argue over him etc....
She then started to insult me infront of DD saying I was childish, who did I think I was, get off my high horse, whats he got to do with my DD etc..(with alot of swearing)
I explained again that im not with holding contact if she gets back with him, im saying that as DD's mum I don't want her or myself involved anymore.

She just told me to fuck off & stop telling her what to do, how pathetic I am and slammed the door, all with DD watching Shock

She is lonely, depressed and I try to be as understanding as possible but I just don't want to get involved anymore. I tell her not to tell me things about it but she always creeps it into a conversation. Sometimes I think she does it to get a reaction out of me, other times because she has no one to talk to. She has alienated herself from friends & family for years.

AIBU to not want DD around this piece of shit of a man & WWYD in my situation, I really don't know. I am so angry and shaking about her behaviour just now I don't know if im right or wrong.

I don't think I can go through this with her again.

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TheHappyHissy · 07/06/2012 16:31

You need to cut ties.

Seriously. She is abusing you and you don't have to take it.

Let her reap what she has sown. Seriously.

Ishoes · 07/06/2012 16:33

Cut her out of your life.End off-she damaged you with her behaviour and your are allowing her to damage your children. Why would you allow that?-you are their mother and it is up to you to keep them away from toxic people. She is an adult and while I appreciate she has mh issues she needs to want to change-sounds to me like she will always put herself and her relationship with this man first.

Anniegetyourgun · 07/06/2012 16:37

Unfortunately you can't save someone who is not interested in being saved.

izzyizin · 07/06/2012 16:38

Of course you're not being unreasonable.

Even without the dickhead, your trials and tribulations with your dm would have strained the patience of a saint.

Don't beat yourself up, honey. As our first loyalty is to your dd you're best advised to stand firm and have no further contact with your dm while she continues to entertain the twunt again.

Talk to her on the phone by all means but if she fetches up on your doorstep, put your coat on and claim that you're just going out if you can't bring yourself to refuse entry to her.

FWIW, it's curious that the police were able to 'find' him at your dm's home. I suspect a tip off from an 'insider' Grin

squeakytoy · 07/06/2012 16:38

Leave her to it. She is an adult, and she is able to make her own choices, albeit rather stupid ones. There is nothing you can do, but you are absolutely within your rights to prevent your daughter from getting caught in the crossfire of what sounds like a toxic relationship.

nambysm · 07/06/2012 16:41

Does this ring any bells [http://daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/ DONM]

nambysm · 07/06/2012 16:42

Oh for goodness sake, sorry donm

Back2Square1 · 07/06/2012 16:58

Thank you for your replies.

I will check that link later when I have more time.

I feel very torn over this. I should also point out DM is very close to DD. DD adores her but I have to keep her away if she'll continue to behave like this.

DM has a lot of issues, is vunerable, lonely so I feel so sad about having to cut ties. I pulled away last time this happened. For DD sake and my own sanity I have to do it.

The anger is fading and I'm crying while I'm making dinner. Dd is in her bedroom thankfully.

Sometimes I think I hate my mother then feel guilty for it.

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goodoldme · 07/06/2012 17:01

She will survive without your help - believe me!

You are not responsible for her, just very conditioned into thinking you are. You know this isn't healthy for your dd to be around this.

You have your own life and your own family who need you, but, how can you honestly be there for them when you are so worn out emotionally, rescuing your mum from the constant dramas.

cocolepew · 07/06/2012 17:04

I agree you need to cut her out of your life. Thats not healthy for your DD to see.

Back2Square1 · 07/06/2012 17:10

It's true I'm worn out by it.

Forgot to mention I work in the same building as this arsehole, its very uncomfortable. My manager has banned him from my department as she knew the stress and upset it has caused me.

DP has been brilliant but he hates seeing me so upset. He agrees I have to cut ties. He had to do it with his own DM for similar reasons but understands the guilt too.

Thank you all again for your advice.

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nambysm · 07/06/2012 17:12

Definietly look at that link.

Ishoes · 07/06/2012 17:12

If your dd adores someone who shouts.screams and swears at her mother in front of her then I fear the damage may already be done. Does your dd think this is normal behaviour because that is cause for concern imo?

If you feel guilty then remind yourself that you are doing it for the sake of your dd-you wouldnt want her to grow up and think you were toxic for not removing her from this situation would you?...

RabidAnchovy · 07/06/2012 17:15

If she is that stupid that she will get involved with this nut case and give him her money then leave her to it, she sounds like she deserves him as much as he deserves her, walk away for your own sake and that of your DD she does not need to grow up around this toxic couple

Back2Square1 · 07/06/2012 17:35

All of what your saying is right.

It's not healthy for DD, no one else in my life would dream of doing that. I wouldn't put up with it.

DM doesn't always do it infront of her, just when she's in contact with this guy. She's fucking toxic!

When there's no contact with him, she's lovely again. It's like she loses herself. It's crazy!

If she wants to have this man in her life then she has to live with the consequences.

MH issues or not, she can't keep guilt tripping me into putting up with it.

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likeatonneofbricks · 07/06/2012 17:36

I wouldn't call someone with anxiety and depression 'stupid' and 'deserving' of what she gets - he obviously used her because he saw that she was vulnerable, and she wants to be needed no doubt if she's lonely. If she was not unbalanced she could just concentrate of her granddaughter as far love/friendship but she's not very rational. Op may have to cut off ties, but I see why she's also feeling guilty. I wonder if your DP/DH could seriously talk to that horrid guy and tell him to f off? out of your family life?

likeatonneofbricks · 07/06/2012 17:38

as far as

RabidAnchovy · 07/06/2012 17:45

He uses her because she lets him, and then she heaps all her shit on her DD and grand daughter

Back2Square1 · 07/06/2012 18:02

You've hit the nail on the head likeatonne

There's so much more history as to why DM is the way she is. I have even told her I think he comes back as she's easy prey.

DM also has history of giving people money to buy their love. She will lavish her DGC with presents that she cannot afford. DB's and I have tried to talk to her about this for years. It's like she can't help herself.

She has also had no support whatsoever when bringing us up on her own. Her parents disowned her when she had my DB at 14 yrs old. She has 3 DC by the time she was 18 then my younger DB at 22. It explains why sometimes I feel like the mother. She can have some very childish views and reactions.

She was fiercely protective of us when we were children and I remember some very difficult times she had. She has been incredibly amazing and strong in a lot of ways and would do anything for her DC and DGC. She has an incredible sense of humour, Me and DD will often be crying with laughter at some of the things she says and does.

But then there is this side to her. It's like she has these two extreme sides of her personality and no inbetween.

Even writing this breaks my heart as I can understand her issues, love her dearly for trying to do her best and feel sad for how vulnerable and lonely she is.

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likeatonneofbricks · 07/06/2012 18:46

I do think someone with a strong personalty needs to chase off this horrible BF! it shouldn't be difficult as he's obviously a coward, what with always hiding behind something (lies and even police in his case shock among other things)!

likeatonneofbricks · 07/06/2012 18:47

sorry 'shock' was supposed to be emoticon! Grin

goodoldme · 07/06/2012 18:56

Have you thought about getting some counselling for yourself? I hear what you're saying about your feeling towards your mum and know how hard that decision is to cut off all ties. But, maybe with some counselling you'll learn how to put some boundaries in place, see that ultimately you can't change or fix your mum and protect yourself from her emotionally abusive outbursts.

Back2Square1 · 07/06/2012 20:15

I've come across him many times at work and been tempted to give him a swift kick in the ruckers!

2 of my DB's had to be physically stopped from going to his house. Other DB would be sacked from his job if he got arrested for it!

The man is so sly I wouldn't put it passed him to phone the police on us if we so much as said boo to him.

DP hasn't come across him yet but wants to wring his neck when he does.

I never thought of counselling for myself, I've always thought it was DM who needed it but I know it may help me deal with my feelings about this. I have access to a wellbeing service in work so will give them a call.

Thank you

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likeatonneofbricks · 07/06/2012 20:46

well I think you and your DP should go an say boo to him! don't let him manipulate all of you by being sly - just talk to him calmly but tell him to piss off and leave your mother alone and sound like you or DP mean it, you can add 'or else' if you like as i think it may be enough to intimidate him. he can't complain to the police on this basis - God, they must be getting fed up with him Grin! Of your mum is lovely without his presence then that's the easiest solution.

likeatonneofbricks · 07/06/2012 20:46

If your mum

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