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Relationship with parents and different views on religion

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lifeisbeautiful · 14/05/2012 19:54

I am a longtime lurker and this is my first post (namechanged) This is a very difficult issue for me to post personally (and I apologize for its length). But it is time, and I could use some help. Although much of this topic involves the subject of religion, the main focus, for me, is the relationship I have with my parents. So, I would like to request that this does not turn to a religious debate (i.e. there is a god vs. there is no god). I would like to think that my conflict is common to many of you, no matter what your respective religious backgrounds happen to be.

First of all, some context. My parents had me when they were in their early 20s (I am now 40). I kind of felt as though I grew up with them in many ways. We were an ex pat family in North America....so our family support base was quite small (UK originally). My folks always had a strong work ethic...but I also remember a lot of stress growing up. My dad was a pretty angry person. That being said, no physical abuse...but certainly gray shades of emotional abuse.

When I was 9, my father developed a relationship with a minister in town. He then became "born again" Christian. I remember it being a bit of an adjustment...my mom wasn't quite on board at the time but she soon started to believe as well. I remember trying to sort it out as a child and what it meant. Quite frankly, my Dad became a bit less angry because of his beliefs, so for me that was a good thing. I remember trying to "feel" the things my dad and mom said they were feeling. I wanted to be part of what they said they were experiencing. I lied about feeling things I didn't feel to please them. That being said, my dad's finding of religion made my home life a bit easier. Also it probably gave my parents a framework for their life and marriage which they hadn't have before.

Fast forward to now, I am married and have a daughter. As a grown woman, I have to say that "religiously" I am a fence sitter. I am in the "maybe there is, maybe there isn't" camp. If I had to label it, I guess I would say I'm more of a humanist....meaning that I like to pay attention to the world under my feet and the people in that world around me as having import. My dad's rhetoric is usually focused on the importance of the afterlife. So, therefore, this world "is a lie" and everyone walking around is "asleep" or "dead" (spiritually speaking). I have a good relationship with my parents but interactions are often religiously loaded and I'm finding things more and more difficult to negotiate. My dad, as part of his religion, feels it necessary to emphasize his beliefs and I try to remain respectful and as neutral as possible (the old smile and nod). But the fact is that here are aspects of my parent's religion, particularly the politics towards other people's religious beliefs, homosexuality and even women, that I simply do not agree with. I find it difficult because I always feel like I'm being persuaded to believe the same things they do and I don't know how to handle it anymore. I understand that in some capacity, they are emphasizing their religious concerns because they care about me and, quite frankly, they don't want me to go to hell. Which is what they believe. However, at the very worst, it makes me feel as though their love for me is conditional. Like they would love me and accept me more fully if I just agreed with them.

I don't really know precisely what it is that I am asking here. I suppose I am interested in hearing other peoples' perspectives and experiences so I can find some sort of way forward of my own. Thank you for your time.

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oikopolis · 14/05/2012 20:05

i identify.

IMO coping with this sort of thing is about truly letting go of their opinions and your need for their approval. and realising that they are separate people over whom you have no influence.

you may need to mourn your ideas about unconditional love. perhaps they do love you conditionally; lots of parents have conditions when it comes to loving their children, sad but true (my ILs come to mind). have you mourned that, accepted it? or are you still hoping they will prove you wrong?

as long as you're waiting for that, they've got power over you, which means they can make you feel like shit if they want to.

you are allowed to say "i am no longer discussing anything to do with religion with you" and then leave their presence when they violate that boundary... (i suspect that you haven't done this because you are in fact still waiting for that unconditional love thing to happen somehow)

they have silly ideas and that is OK as long as you can keep an appropriate emotional distance from those ideas. if you find yourself unable to cope emotionally with how their ideas make you feel, or unable to set the boundary, then it's time for a time-out and perhaps a series of long chats with a therapist.

not because you need to accept their ideas, or stop feeling the way you do about them, but because you need to have that clear psychological boundary in place, where you parents' views do not invade your space or cause you distress.

that could mean just practicing a different style of interaction with them, it could mean sorting out a slew of issues inside yourself that need sorting (which their ideas are triggering iyswim), it could mean planning and completing a frank discussion about how they are not permitted to say certain things in front of you, it could even mean cutting down on contact with them, perhaps even completely and for the forseeable future.

lifeisbeautiful · 14/05/2012 20:29

Thank you for your thoughtful response Oikopolis. You've touched on all the important stuff that will give me things to think about. The main reason why I was motivated to post about this finally was a conversation I had with them last night about my daughter. I called to wish my mother a happy mother's day (different date where I am) and, as it so happened, she reported on a religious conference that she and my dad had been involved in the previous day. I congratulated them on its success...then the conversation again turned to how I need to think more about my spiritual life and how I need to baptize my daughter (which we didn't do) because it's a "matter of life and death".

So, at this point, although you are right, I need to let these things go, I'm now more concerned about interactions with my daughter. I don't mind that they will tell her about their beliefs...but that they may make her feel somehow less in life or question herself in any way is something I will need to manage for her. (she's only 4 now so it's not yet an issue)

They live 3 hours away from me so contact is not very regular anyway. But when we do visit, its usually for a more concentrated period of time.

You know what else I worry about? If I actually do put my foot down, it will hurt them.

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pointythings · 14/05/2012 20:51

DH and I had our DDs baptised because it would have broken his parents' hearts if we hadn't... He believes but is fiercely against organised religion. I'm an atheist. It does depend on what church you're having her baptised into though - if they're very into church attendance and fire and brimstone, then it probably isn't the right thing.

It's sad that your father can't take on board that faith is meaningless unless it comes from the heart.

Right now I think your own family must come first, however sad that makes you. I hope that doesn't drift you away from your parents, but if it does you can only mourn what you have lost and move on.

oikopolis · 14/05/2012 20:56

yes the problem is the children, isn't it. same with my ILs. although they are just a slightly different theological breed... e.g., infant baptism = dangerous Popish nonsense BUT My Little Pony is the work of Satan, and stay-at-home dads and gay parents will be the ruination of Western civilization.

it is very tricky.
sadly our solution has been for DH to take an extremely hard line with them, for the sake of currently-in-utero DD. His view (and i support it although it's more extreme than what i would decide on my own) is that the time for us to smile and nod is over, because DD will be impressionable and easily frightened/brainwashed for at least the next 12 or so years, and our responsibility is to protect her from as much psychological harm as is feasible.

so basically
his DM and DF are welcome in our home only under very specific conditions. and they will be turfed out at the slightest provocation.

if it were my parents, i would take a softer line - e.g., addressing comments as they come up, modelling assertive responses for DD, openly discussing how DGPs have different beliefs and that it's OK for people to disagree, etc.

but i would do that with the support of a therapist. seriously. there are so many triggers in there, so much opportunity for childhood fears to take over, it would be frightening territory at first.

i think if you visit less frequently, my approach might be a better one to think about? you could map out a plan for how you're going to deal with each kind of problem etc? and the give DD the chance to watch you in action iyswim.

i know, it's very hard to think of them being upset.
but as you say, DD is the priority here. if they're upset, that's sad, but DD has her whole life ahead of her, the way she feels is more important.

beatenbyayellowteacup · 14/05/2012 20:58

OP I completely sympathise. My parents (and my two brothers and their families) are very religious. I cannot talk to my father about anything remotely religious, although he insists on bringing it up and asking questions out of the blue like "What do you think about homosexuals in the church?" My elder brother believes that the UK is racist because Charles Darwin was born here.

I truly believe that one reason I've not married is that I can't marry a Christian as I'm not really one, but I can't marry a non-Christian as my family would quite possibly cry out of the sheer pain of knowing that I will spend the rest of eternity in hell. They would never get over it. My father has already said that he couldn't celebrate a wedding if the couple had lived together first. I'm not being flippant.

I haven't found the answer - just wanted to sympathise Sad

lifeisbeautiful · 14/05/2012 21:45

Thank you all so much for your responses. It helps to know that others have similar experiences and I appreciate you sharing your perspectives.

I do want my daughter to know her grandparents...and to understand that people can have different beliefs. We live in an extremely multicultural urban environment so she will need to be educated and sensitive to these issues.

However, as you all correctly identify, I will need to be her role model in terms of managing the grandparents...and for the first time in my life, I see that my "smile and nod" approach may no longer cut it. I can cope with it but how healthy is that for her? Already at home, if my father gets me on his own, I get the meaningful looks and then the quiet lecturing. Although he may do it because he cares, really he is not respecting my boundaries or my perspective.

Once armed with a couple of glasses of wine, I did try to be honest with him. I told him that my life is my "journey" and he has to let go of trying to control my spirituality (he has massive control issues in general which is a whole other thread). I also told him point blank that when I was a kid, the terms "dad" and "god" were interchangeable for me. Really, the world according to god was the world according to dad and vice versa.

Thanks also for the suggestion of exploring this through therapy. I have been down that route before and it has helped...just not with this specific issue. Maybe it's time to get back on that saddle.

p.s. beatenbyayellowteacup - that is really sad story. I can relate as my husband is an atheist and we got married outside of the church which had to be carefully negotiated. We did use a minister...that was our compromise. And my father didn't speak to me for three months when I moved in with a past boyfriend when I was in my 20s. It can be so hard.

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beatenbyayellowteacup · 16/05/2012 21:42

Wow lifeisbeautiful well done you for going ahead! I don't have the guts...yet (I'm 39 and my Dad is shocked that I have a double bed Hmm)

You are right that your father is not respecting your boundaries. He's putting his religion over his unconditional acceptance of you. I also know what you mean by the world according to Dad is the world according to God.

Again, I have no answers, just empathy.

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