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Emotional abuse: Saying you are doing the bad things that HE is doing

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thebighouse · 11/05/2012 22:35

I was discussing this with a psychologist friend.

Last week, XH was shouting at me and when I cried he said "Stop bullying me! This has to stop!"

My friend said that what happens in this situation is that the man knows that bullying is happening IN THE ROOM but he is unable to comprehend that he is at fault/wrong in ANY way, so he thinks that it must be YOU that's doing the bullying.

I thought that this explanation made a lot of sense!

Thought I'd share it...

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AnyFucker · 12/05/2012 13:41

Movingout...detach, detach, detach

You will never make him see, you will never understand him

garlicbutty · 12/05/2012 14:50

they experience their victims' independence as a threat to themselves, since the victim is "supposed" to be their puppet

I agree 100% with this, HotDamn.

I have been much persuaded by later research suggesting that an abusive childhood - and, it seems, a heightened state of fear in utero - leads to an atrophied hippocampus and interferes with rational processing when emotions are triggered. Explained here and there's loads on the web now.

Since this would apply to my sibs and me, I've looked at my own emotional patterns over the years and projected Grin them to other abusers in my life. When I felt threatened, I'd go into a kind of survival mode, which entailed evaluating what my aggressor wanted; why; what they'd settle for; how I could use their 'motive' to my advantage. This all happened in a flash, though I was aware of it on a near-conscious level. I wasn't able, however, to get out of survival mode. There seemed only one route available to me. Then, if I deemed it appropriate, I'd use verbal abuse or manipulation. It's very much as though all emotional interactions were, in fact, battles.

The only significant difference between me and "an abuser", I'd venture, is the degrees of sensitivity and aggression. I wouldn't feel threatened by somebody looking particularly nice one day, for instance, but both my boss and husband were noticeably more aggressive on days when they thought I looked nice. XH had a huge go at me about my charitable stuff (I did it, he didn't, he accused me of not doing it!) which, I imagine, shows he felt he should be charitable and was threatened by the fact that I was. By contrast, I never felt it necessary to attack him for being good at mechanics, although I'd like to be.

To me, this says we were all fucked up, but they were (are) pathological where I wasn't.

I've described this incredibly badly. Sorry!

Kernowgal · 12/05/2012 18:03

Mine called me cold and selfish, and emotionally unavailable. This is after him telling me that the reason he didn't tell me he was in love with me was because he thought I'd just up and leave one day and he'd be on his own again. He knew I wasn't selfish, anyone could have pointed all the things I did out to him and he'd have to agree, but he'd come to rely on me and I was 'being selfish' by taking my life back.

He once mentioned that his mum had told him that in 50 years of marriage his father had never ever said sorry to her. Ironically my ex never once apologised to me (at least not verbally). Our arguments consisted of him raising his voice at me and then shouting over me if I tried to talk back. As I got more confident I started saying, firmly, that it was my turn to speak now and calmly stating my point.

It was the sudden outbursts that I hated. They'd come out of nowhere but after a while I started to see the signs that one was imminent. He'd be in a seemingly good mood but something would trigger an explosion of rage, then a few minutes later he'd be back to how he was. He said I should take his hissy fits with a pinch of salt but actually they scared me.

He needed constant reassurance if I was quiet (which I often am) because his ex used to give him the silent treatment. On occasions I would give him the silent treatment because I knew if I raised an issue I would just get shouted down, and I got bored of being shouted at because there was no way he'd be at fault, it would all be my problem.

He's texted me to say he's missing me, and I admit I'm missing him, but when I write all this down it reminds me of just how much happier I am now he's gone!

Abitwobblynow · 12/05/2012 18:19

The psychotherapist I went to to try and piece my shattered myself back together, explained that this was part of the split.

That they can't be a selfish bad person, they are actually the good guy and you are the [fill in accusation].

My H used to shout at me WHAT DO YOU WANT! And, 'I will always financially look after you and the children'.

Which lets me know that he really wrestled with leaving.

All completely denied now. It never meant anything and he never loved her.

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