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AIBU to find this really hard to get over

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sereneswan · 10/05/2012 17:02

DH and I recently had an argument (rare) over something absolutely tiny and he totally lost his temper (exremely rare), we ended up shouting at each other, I told him to f* off (as in go away until you can start being reasonable, nothing more) which made him lose his temper even more (understandable). However he then retaliated with something that, to me, feels game-changing. He told me to get out of the house because he pays the bills. The argument ended there because I left the room. He didn't follow with an apology but apologised when I returned half an hour later. I knew he didn't actually want me to leave the house, and he claims that he only said the other part to hurt me, but that doesn't make much difference to me. It changes my view of him that he can say something so offensive and hurtful (especially over something tiny) and I am genuinely struggling being with someone who can think and say such things. I also worry about him using the same weapon more seriously in the future. He earns 3 times what I do, we both pay the same proportion of our take-home towards all bills. This is absolutely out of character for him. He has never in 7 years spoken or behaved in any way that would suggest a viewpoint like this. He claims he doesn't think it. I think no one says things they don't think / believe to some extent. It's changed how I see him and I feel as if I've been really badly betrayed.

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Twiggy71 · 10/05/2012 18:46
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NagooIsBuildingAnArk · 10/05/2012 18:56

I think a 'fuck off' did turn into a 'you fuck off, I pay the rent' type retaliation.

You say yourself that you meant it as 'go away until you start being reasonable', so you are acknowledging that there is room for interpretation in it.

I'd let it go. He apologised.

Xenia would say you should get a better job and pay your own mortgage, but we know it isn't that easy.

Plenty of people say things they don't mean in arguments.

gafhyb · 10/05/2012 19:04

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NagooIsBuildingAnArk · 10/05/2012 19:16
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clam · 10/05/2012 19:20

I think that it's slightly more forgiveable if you look at it within the context of the argument. You told him to fuck off, which he interpreted as "leave this house." His response therefore was "why should I leave the house that I pay bills for?"

I think that's different from "I own you."

twofingerstoGideon · 10/05/2012 19:28

I would find this difficult to forgive. My ExH used to say stuff like this during arguments and then say he didn't mean them, that he just said them 'to win'. It's no way to treat your partner, really, is it?

AnyoneforTurps · 10/05/2012 19:32

twofingers I think that's true if it is happening repeatedly - as it was to you. But the OP's DH has done this once in 7 years and it was in the heat of what sounds like a nasty argument when both sides were dishing it out, as well as taking it.

A man repeatedly reminding his DP/W that he is the breadwinner is bullying and surely totally different from a man who has just been told to F* off snapping back a single time in 7 years?

twofingerstoGideon · 10/05/2012 19:46

My ex started this after approx 5 years of marriage and once he started there was no stopping him!

AnyoneforTurps · 10/05/2012 20:17

Fair enough, but I'm not sure the OP should be prospectively binning her DH in case he does the same. Smile

DPrince · 10/05/2012 21:52

The op told him to fuck off and he upped his game. It is not 100% start of an abusive relationship. Imo ,op, if you don't want nasty things to be said try not to tell your dh to fuck off. It must have hurt when he said this, but I am sure it hurt if he though you wanted him to leave you and his family. He has apologised. You need to move on.

sereneswan · 11/05/2012 10:04

To answer questions....Argument was not at all about money. I was on the laptop, laptop was being flakey, I was getting stroppy with it. DH offered to have a look at it, it's about 11pm so I said 'No, sod it, it's bed time'. Because I was having a strop at the laptop I said this stroppily and he took it as me being rude and ungrateful about his offer of help (I think he's being wilfully dim to not tell the difference between being stroppy at him or the laptop but this is a recurring issue for us and I see his point of view too.) He moaned about me being rude, I said something like 'Fine, if you're so bothered I change my mind, I order you to stay up late and fix it. Happy?', he completely flipped, practically jumped up and down, called me a stupid f*ing woman, I told him to F off and then he made the paying the bills comment. It was two minutes from start to finish.

Now I've written it down the common theme between the fixing the laptop issue and the bills comment is probably something about gratitude. He thought I seemed ungrateful about the laptop, so it brought up issues about him paying for more stuff? Seems neat on paper but I have no other reason to think that that's the case. I'm not ungrateful, I never act like I take it for granted and he says he doesn't feel like that.

We've talked, he knows how I feel. He was very hangdog for a few days but now seems to think everything's fine. He claims there's absolutely nothing else to it, he didn't mean it etc, so there's a limit to how far I can get with discussing it.

It brings up big issues for me. My mother is a kept (and entirely helpless) woman, and I have been in an extremely abusive controlling relationship before where (although I kept him!) this sort of vicious loaded comment was common. And like gafhyb says, it made me feel like a child - it's a crass comment that sounds like it's coming from your dad!

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 11/05/2012 10:29

I'm more concerned that he called you a stupid fucking woman. And that this was the start of the swearing at each other.

DPrince · 12/05/2012 12:07

Did he really call you a stupid fucking woman? At no point did you mention that he started swearing first. Your op suggests it was you that started it.

ImperialBlether · 12/05/2012 12:13

I don't like how you pay the same % of your salary towards bills.

You always have much, much less than he does per month to spend.

You're married - I don't think you should be splitting money like that.

Abitwobblynow · 12/05/2012 13:44

You said that although he earns 3 x as much as you, you pay 50% of the bills?

NOW is the time for renegotiation.

'I was very hurt and upset about your bills remark, but the unfairness of it has got me thinking. From now on, I will be paying 30% and you will be paying 70% according to our incomes. Try not to say nasty things in the future, they might get me thinking too'.

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