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I want DH out but he won't go.....LONG

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NoMoreStressedThanUsual · 07/05/2012 09:39

We have been together for 18 years, married for 15. I feel we have now come to a natural conclusion as I have finally woken up to the fact that he really does not give a shit about me and I really do not feel that I should have to put up with it. My self esteem is already rock bottom and it makes me feel 10 times worse knowing that my 'life partner' is with me only because of the DCs (he has said this many times). He never says he loves me, in fact never shows me any affection at all and I am crying out for it Sad. I deal with everything from housework to shopping to bills to everything for the DC. On his day off yesterday, he got up late, then watched football and went to the gym. Did nothing with the DCs at all, let me take the youngest one to the supermarket (nightmare) while he sat on his arse and then made no attempt to help lug the 20 million bags of shopping from the car to the house which is quite a distance.

He has not done anything 'wrong'. He works very long hours (so he does not have to deal with DCs, he finds it hard being at home with them and loses his temper easily), does not drink or do drugs, is not violent, has not had affairs etc but he has been putting me down subtlely for years. He has admitted he does not find me attractive as I have put on weight since having the DCs (was a size 8 when we met, now a size 18).

Since having DC4, things have got worse because according to him, as I wanted a 4th DC and he did'nt, I should not be expecting any help from him at all with night time wakings, feeding, bathing etc. It is my job (along with the other 3) as I am not working. I have been very 'ill' for the last few years with extreme anxiety which has been an utter nightmare (panic attacks, extreme irrational fear, all kinds of physical symptoms which had convinced me I could drop dead at any moment) and he has never shown me any compassion. He tells me to get over it and expects me to do everything as normal. It upsets me so much as if it was him suffering, I would have moved heaven and earth to help him. I have no family support and not a friend on this earth as I have isolated myself due to my anxiety.

An example of his emotional putdowns are telling my sister in front of me who said I was a 'strong woman' after losing DD2 to stillbirth and then having very unexpected twin boys 10 months later and coping with HIM working nights and sleeping in the day (so very little sleep and still having to get DD1 to school on time and keep the babies quiet) that 'No she's not strong, it's not that hard'.

He has worked in a job that requires him to work nights/or finish very late at night and work weekends for over 10 years knowing that I have a phobia about being on my own in the house at night and hate him working these hours as I can't sleep and feel like a single parent. He has never made any attempt to even look for any other job let alone retrain. I could not imagine doing something that made him so unhappy.

I used to work earning much more than him before we had twins. When our DD1 was 3, we moved so put her with a new childminder expecting her to stay with the childminder until she started school as we did not want to move her again. Despite taking up references, the childminder turned out to be a nightmare, ringing me in the evening at least once a fortnight telling me she could'nt have DD the next day as her baby had a hospital appointment she had forgotten about/not changing DD's clothes if she had an accident. The final straw was her writing a long detailed letter accusing my DD of trying to feed her baby a sausage and also of putting a cushion over the baby to stop her incessant crying (probably drove DD nuts) and saying she would be informing OFSTED of this! I immediately decided that DD was not going back there and took time off work until we made a decision on what to do about childcare. At this time DH was in a much lower paid job with little prospects but he would not countenance staying at home with DD for just over a year until she started school. We would have been fine on my salary, his was not enough. In the end I could not see any other option other than me quitting my job (we had been trying for a DC2 for 2 years up to this point) as I did not want DD to go through upheaval yet again. I found out I was pg with DD2 less than a month after I finished work (losing very generous maternity benefits) and all through this DH was castigating me for quitting my job. Who the hell else he thought would look after her, I don't know! We found out at 30 weeks that DD2 had an abnormality and were referred to a London hospital for a further investigation. We discovered at this appointment that there was no hope for her and I would have to give birth to her being already dead, dead after birth or dead within a few weeks. DH then went straight back to work leaving me to make my own way home. We had a further appointment to discuss if we wanted intervention to keep her alive for a short period if she lived through the birth. DH decided to go to work and not come as he 'needed to keep busy'. 2 months later, he was sacked from this job (cue financial nightmare) as he asked for his pay to be increased as they had promised so they came up with a load of BS as an excuse to sack him knowing about our loss (settled with us before it went to tribunal which I dealt with) I cannot and have not ever forgotten that he had more misplaced loyalty to his employers than to me.

There is lots more including a dream move abroad as he was offered a job over there which in the end caused us to come back to the UK 2 years later penniless with 3 DCs and nothing but clothes in suitcases due to him not knowing how much he would be paid and getting ripped off by his employers (complicated story). He blames me for wanting to go but he should never have taken to job in the first place. I could not attend the interview or talk to his employers for him fgs.

The last straw was yesterday wen he refused to get up with DC4, (I was feeling very dizzy and ill) as 'you wanted him, you deal with him'. I actually found myself thinking that I should feel lucky that he had stayed with me when I am such a mess (he has kept himself in very good shape and he is good looking). I then immediately thought WTF, I am not lucky to have him at all, there was a glimmer of the 'old me' there and I cannot stand the thought of being this pathetic person clutching at someone who has no respect for me any longer. I deserve better than him.

Well done if you got this far!

Advice pleaseeeee.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 07/05/2012 09:44

I think, in this kind of case, you need legal advice quite urgently. If it's beyond saving, get your ducks in a row (especially financial ones) and start divorce proceedings. That sets various events in chain, one of which will be him moving out. Obviously, when he goes, it will be you having to cope with four children solo most of the time. But, as you've been doing that already, you can at least do so with a happy heart rather than under this cloud of constant bad-tempered resentment. Good luck

Tiptoptoe · 07/05/2012 09:46

I agree with Cognito. I cant imagine this is going to get any better. Good luck.

LovesPeace · 07/05/2012 09:47

It sounds as though you have made your mind up - and I agree you deserve better.
You will be strong enough to do this - after all you are managing to keep all their worlds turning at the moment - it will be easier without your unloving husband dragging you down.
Time to start planning - sort out your legal position, your financial position and entitlements etc.
Hope it works out for you - you sound quite a scarily impressive lady.

gingerchick · 07/05/2012 09:49

You poor love, just wanted to tell you that I don't know you but from what I have read you are amazing! I cannot imagine the pain you have been thru losing a child and reading everything you have been thru I would say you have been being brave and strong for too long and your husband is well you know what he is, I don't know how to get him out as he isn't violent or anything altho by the sound of it he has been EA for years just wanted to say am here if you need to off load

Mumsyblouse · 07/05/2012 09:54

I think that's the tipping point, isn't it, when you catch a glimpse of the 'old you' and realise that you are still in there!

I would seek legal advice, whatever happens it helps to know what you are entitled to and what steps you need to take should you leave.

Living with someone who doesn't like you is soul-destroying, I would make a break for happiness personally, especially as it sounds like he's not going to bond with your D4 as well.

Good luck, you've been through a lot, can you turn to family at all? (and when you do get out, make some friends too).

NomNomNom · 07/05/2012 09:56

Do you think your panic attacks could have something to do with feeling so unsupported? When I spend more time with my (ex) H I feel more panicky.

Perhaps try a trial separation? It sounds like you're doing everything on your own already, so if you're officially on your own you won't expect any support so can't feel disappointed.

Is your house rented or do you own it? Whose name is it in or is it joint?
How is you H towards the children? Would you be happy if they visited him, ie would they reliably be fed etc?

Sounds like a tough situation and you seem close to breaking point, so research your options.

NoMoreStressedThanUsual · 07/05/2012 10:23

Thanks for your replies. I have spent so long blaming myself for every aspect of my life, it feels very odd to accept that it has not been all my fault. I have put DH on a pedastal for years (he is amazing to put up with me etc), it is a shock to feel like this. My panic and anxiety stem from my feeling of lack of control and yes, DH's unsupportiveness has not helped. He has stood back and let me deal with, worry about and get anxious about EVERYTHING.

We were homeless when we came back from abroad with nothing (my panic attacks were at their worst then) and despite me falling apart and having loads of hospital tests as I was sure I had a brain tumour or heart problem, he did nothing. Did not even pick up the phone to speak to the council's homelessness unit, open any letters from them, look in the local paper for any properties, he just let me get on with it. He does not even know the passwords to our internet banking accounts.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 07/05/2012 10:30

That last part probably works in your favour. :) Hope you have a personal account with a decent balance. I'm glad you've seen the light and realised you've been wasting your time on this man. He obviously hasn't been amazing to put up with you, he's been taking advantage of your low self-esteem... quite different. To date you've been tiptoeing along a precarious high wire knowing the person responsible for holding the safety-net not only isn't doing the job properly but is wobbling the wire and criticising your efforts at the same time. No wonder you've been ill.

It will come as a shock at first but, now the scales have fallen from your eyes, do something concrete (like CAB or a solicitor) and I guarantee the panic attacks will be history and your self-esteem will be up in the clouds. That's what taking charge of your own life feels like.... lovely!!! Good luck

NoMoreStressedThanUsual · 07/05/2012 10:31

He says he will not go because he will not leave his DCs, I should piss off instead. I cannot imagine him finding another place to live if he did agree to leave, I would have to find it for him probably.

He would take care of the DCs if he had them independently. He is not nasty just shouty which really annoys me as he hardly spends time with them anyway.

I think he has seen how I changed from the intelligent, fearless, full of energy, sexy woman that he met, into a an fat, emotional, nervous wreck (still highly functioning though) and has lost all respect and feeling for me. I can't say I blame him. I really would'nt want to be with me either.

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NomNomNom · 07/05/2012 10:33

Well, if you are your DC's primary carer at the moment, if you had to take it to court they'd want to preserve the status quo, ie DC would live with you. Sounds like your H is threatening you to make you stay, but please don't believe him.

NoMoreStressedThanUsual · 07/05/2012 10:37

Cognito very true. I can't help but worry though that I am projecting all my shortcomings onto him. Is it really him or just me? He has not done 'wrong'. Is it enough reason to upset the DCs?

I hate him sometimes but I can't imagine myself with anyone else and am not sure how I would cope seeing him with someone else. Very, very badly I think.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 07/05/2012 10:38

He'll have no choice but to leave when the divorce starts. If you own a home you can put it up for sale. He can continue (or rather 'start') to co-parent... many do it succesfully. 'Shouty' is nasty btw... don't make excuses for him. If he's lost respect and feeling for you just because you've been stressed, put on weight or whatever... that makes him very shallow and not worth wasting any more time on.

And as for not wanting to be with yourself, let me sit you down and give you a kindly reminder. You are yourself. You are with yourself from now until you pop your clogs. You might as well start liking yourself because you are it. Other people would love to be with you if they got to know you. What you probably don't like about yourself is the way he makes you feel and behave. That's not the same thing.

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