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Is there any way to save this emotionally abusive relationship?

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poppyandthepoppop · 01/05/2012 10:56

dh and I have been together for 18 years, married for 12 and have 2 dc (6 & 8).

Yesterday I had a revelatory moment, that I should have had years ago, that he has been emotionally abusing me for a long, long time, probably since we met. He is very clever and incredibly manipulative- an absolute jekyll and hyde. Most of the time he is fine as long as everything goes his way but heaven forbid that someone else makes a mistake or disrupts his plans (no matter how minor). He can blow up at the slightest provocation and recently I feel it has been getting worse. He then usually does something like cook me a lovely meal or take me out for dinner or buy me some clothes to make up for it. I don't want any of those things- I want respect.

Over the last week he has exploded and subjected me to massive tirades over several trivial things. He has over-reacted to the children in a spectacular fashion grabbing them and being really rough while shouting at them- very frightening.

On thursday he discovered that we had not been included in a night out with three other couples that we are friendly with. He was very cross about this and ranted on about it. I tried to placate him by saying not everyone has to be included in every social event and other platitudes but in the end he concluded that it was my fault for having poor social skills and then expanded on my failings in social situations and described me as a useless friend. I felt absolutely terrible after this and couldn't sleep all night.

The irony is that yesterday I was invited out with the female halves of these couples. It got me thinking about his behaviour the last few times we have socialised with these couples. He has started an intense debate with a head teacher about education where dh was rudely over-riding everything the head was saying. Another time he proceeded to make derogatory comments about one husband after he had left. Also, one friend made a jokingly rude comment to dh and he responded with real venom and was really insulting in return. Maybe, just maybe, it's him with the poor social skills.

He has been claiming he is stressed because his brother and sis-in-law, who had a still born baby last year, are due to have another baby on Friday and he is worried about them. On sunday he had a big explosion over my mum and dad coming for lunch, the kids and I went and spent the day with my parents instead.

When we talked about it yesterday he said it was because I hadn't talked to him about his worries and I wasn't looking after him enough. I had left him alone when what he needed was company. When I tried to explain that no matter what the worries, it wasn't fair to take it out on me or the kids he just said I didn't understand him and wasn't listening to what he was saying, I mustn't tell him off or shout at him or tell him he's bad- I must be kind to him. What a load of shit.

I feel now that I will wait until next week and the new baby is here, so that he can't use it as an excuse, and then I have to issue him with an ultimatum. He must treat me and the children with loving respect or he must leave.

I am sure we will need professional help if we are to stand any chance of saving our marriage but will it work? Can the leopard change his spots?

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 01/05/2012 17:48

"He says he will change and I think I have to give him a chance"

You called him Jekyll and Hyde to begin with and all that will happen is Mr Jekyll will reappear for a time. It's a variation on the lovely clothes and nice meals that he buys you off with normally. Whatever happens next never forget that talk is cheap and Mr Hyde is merely taking a small vacation until the fuss dies down....

poppyandthepoppop · 01/05/2012 18:07

Thank you for all your advice. I know that the chance of permensnt change is very slim. I guess I need to smarten up and get myself a more cynical outlook when it comes to dh.
Fool- I have looked at a lot of those links thank you.
I have read that I have to change too though, I have to not allow the abuse to happen. I must stand up for myself and my children and if that provokes him then he is out on his ear- no apologies, no explanations, the end.
It might sound like a silly thing but I have changed my passwords to affirmations so that many times a day when I type one in to access my phone or laptop there is a little reminder that hopefully will help keep me attuned to spot any fuck-wit behaviour :)
I will get some counselling too.

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TodaysAGoodDay · 01/05/2012 18:10

He won't change. Professional help will not work. He will be nicer for a day or so, then it will all go back to how it was. I was in a similar situation and he kept saying it would get better, but his behaviour always went back to how it had been. Has he changed at all for the better in the time you've been married? Well then, there's your answer.

foolonthehill · 01/05/2012 21:04

poppy...like the passwords thing...

you clearly know where this is going really. But like you i had to give it one more go just to be able to say he crossed my line in the sand.

we're all here for you to vent/check/ get support whenever!

poppyandthepoppop · 02/05/2012 00:49

Thank you.
I have spent the evening (without dh) with my sister and it was really cathartic. We have laughed at laughed at the pathetic fuck wit and it felt really good.
I am stuck on the counselling thing though- of course you have to pay, but how to do it with no trace on our joint credit or debit cards. Not possible...
I know more than ever that I need to get myself psychologically prepared for any assault that comes. My defences must never be down. I will not let him manipulate, bamboozle or obfuscate, I will not let him use his tricks on me. For his own good, just as much for me and the dc. It is not a kindness I do him by allowing his fuckwittery (is that even a word?) I do us all a disservice by lapping it up and I will do it no longer!
Thank you for all the reality checks- I may not have done the bastard down yet, but one way or another I will regain control of my own life. I just need to remain focused and alert.
It's good to know the support of mn is here Grin

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NicNocJnr · 02/05/2012 01:36

Got you nicely hog tied, you'd learnt your victim's script off by heart - so he thought!

Keep a hold of those thoughts and that resolve. You do have to change - back to the person you were before you were being abused - just a wiser version.

You seem to have a great grip on things OP which is fabby.

If you ever waver just please think of your children - if you were single it wouldn't be any more acceptable that he was doing this but you are free to take the choice. Your children have no say, no choice, no-one to speak for them and protect them if you do not. He has laid his hands upon them, he has tested you - he shoved those boundaries and so far you have shoved back - keep the memory of the fear you felt when he was hurting your children and remember how terrifying that is for a child and channel that energy onto keeping him on the straight and narrow- he must behave, not you. If he is a twat he will be a homeless twat!

Assets can be rebuilt - your kids lives can't.

Also whatever happens - please listen to your children - if they say they don't want to see daddy - wonder why. He will kick off about his rights but if DC are unhappy to see him and it turns out he has neglected his responsibilities he can shout as loud as he likes for his rights, threaten you with lies but it's all hot air.

Keep going- it's your turn now to enact your rights!

poppyandthepoppop · 11/05/2012 21:59

A lot has happened in the last 10 days.
After a LOT of talking, dh has finally seen the light and now accepts that he has been emotionally abusing me for a very long time.
It has been a emotional and draining week as we have gone over what has been happening in the 18 years we have been together.
He has made huge changes to his behaviour and I don't think he has been abusive once since the penny dropped.
He's also been in touch with Respect and had an hour long conversation with an advisor there. He's put his name on a waiting list for a course (unfortunately no spaces available right now). He is reading the Beverly Engels book and is working through that carefully and he's also started a blog to record the journey.
I feel pretty exhausted and strange and I know I have a lot of 'bad habits' to break too, I have to actually make decisions now- even the simplest things like what to have for dinner are alien territory to me!!

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struwelpeter · 11/05/2012 22:42

It would be lovely for your sake, if this lightbulb moment for him results in some fundamental changes.
One big word of caution - talk to Respect yourself and get some counselling just for you.
It is a scary decision choosing what to make for dinner when you've been pushed into the strange place that EA creates. You need time to work on you while he works on him and whatever transpires you will both be two very different people from who you are now. This is going to be a bumpy ride with an uncertain outcome, make sure you have things to support just you. It is not your job to help him change.

poppyandthepoppop · 12/05/2012 15:45

Thank you. I know it will be a bumpy ride and I know I am going to need help too. The Respect courses do have support for partners so I will be able to go there once dh is on the course. Unfortunately, at the moment we don't know how long the wait for a course will be.
I do feel very very strange, Im not quite sure how to explain it. I don't feel angry and I wonder why not. I do feel sad and I wonder why. I guess I'm probably so habituated to keeping my anger inside that I cannot even feel it anymore, the only way that I can safely express myself is through feeling sad. I think the fear is it could be very dangerous now to let out all the anger after so many years of repression.
Also, I feel sad for all the wasted time, but again I'm sure I should be angry.

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SirSugar · 13/05/2012 06:14

Fudamentally he won't change. Hes paying lip service at the moment, buying time.

Eventually you will leave, the process has started and that is why you feel sad.

When your own sense of wellbeing/general happiness and that of you DCS overides the practicalities (business/finance etc) - that is when you'll go. Right now you are buying time too.

Proudnscary · 13/05/2012 07:23

I'm afraid I agree with Sir Sugar. I'm sorry to say that though. I know ythat you have had a tumultuous week and feel you have finally made proper progress. But after being on this board for many years, I have to say that not only do abusers say and do the same things when they are called on their behaviour but also. I have lost count of the women who have come on here after their initial post saying 'he finally gets it, he's changed, if he puts a step wrong again - he's out on his ear, no questions asked'.

Unfortunately if your husband has been this controlling, this selfish and damaging to your self esteem without realising (yeah right) or caring what he was doing to you and your family, it would be a miracle if he could see the light and change for the good forever.

I have a close friend with an EA husband and every time she has it out with him and sets new boundaries, he simply finds new ways or new language to hurt her. She's been with him 22 years.

But the positive is you have taken steps and challenged him and you are thinking seriously about your future with him.

I hope you are okay and sorry if this post is not very positive x

j3 · 13/05/2012 07:34

I have been there and feel your pain...I was married to an alcoholic who regruarly did this to me, he blamed me for my his own behaviour, denied he had a problem, I asked him to leave after 4 years.

Sorry to say but agree with some other posters that a leopard does not change its spots...good luck x

poppyandthepoppop · 13/05/2012 08:40

Again, I know that we are setting out on a very challenging journey and the statistics for success are not great, but, it IS worth one try. Prior to this I did not realise I was being abused (yes, really!) and nor did dh (you may say he must have been aware of this but I'm not so sure).
We now realise Dh has grown up in an ea family (dh's father abused by his mother) and although it certainly does not excuse any of dh's behaviour, it does help explain it.
But, the big realisation I have had is that I do need to change too. All my life I have been the one who says 'I don't mind, whatever you want to do'. Long before I met dh, when I was young I could never ask for anything from my parents, for some reason I always felt like I didn't really deserve attention or just that I was one more demand on my parents. I'm not really explaining myself very well here cos I don't really understand the feelings myself. My parents are fab, I have a great relationship with them and always have had.
What I do know though is that I have to change my attitude, I have to decide that MY thoughts and feelings ARE just as important as anyone elses and I deserve to express them. Otherwise I am detained to be in this situation again and again in my future regardless of whether dh and I stay together or not.

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