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H slapped dd age 7 - I just don't know what to do next. Am I overreacting?

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Beazle · 30/04/2012 15:35

I've name changed for this, if you recognise me please dont out me. sorry this is really long and probably a bit rambling. But I'm honestly at a loss what to do next.

I'm separated from H. We've been having problems since last summer when he suddenly (or at least out of character for him) became very abusive to me. Horrible. anyway, we tried a brief reconciliation which didn't work, although he isn't abusive to me anymore. He sees the dcs on a sunday.

I have noticed that he gets disproprortionately cross with me and reacts totally over the top when I've done something that he perceives as wrong. Last week as an example, we went to watch the London marathon. dd wanted to stand on the opposite side of the road and we crossed, knowing that it would be more inconvenient as we wouldn't be able to get back and would have to walk further to get home. H reacted as though it was the most heinous thing in the world, said some absolutely horrible things to me and I ended up going back home in tears. I told him that this was unacceptable.

yesterday he had the children, he came in as I am heavily pregnant and was putting them to bed. dd aged 7 was very tired and flipped out when ds went into her bunk rather than his. H slapped her on the face (I was downstairs). She came down and told me - I saw the red mark. I made H leave. He was pretty unrepentent. Dd was absolutely inconsolable and ended up sleeping in my bed. the red mark stayed until I went to bed. this morning she was still upset, going on about it being her fault. it was awful. terrible.

anyway, I've told H that he can't see the dcs until he gets some help. H is in complete denial. he firstly said it was all my fault. I was letting the kids get away with murder. I wasn't doing their spellings with them. I'm a crap parent. then he said that she completely flipped (again my fault), and now he is denying that she was upset. He says that I am saying all of this to make myself feel better. that it isn't really that bad, and he isn't doing anything. That I'm overreacting, making it all up, it's making me feel better (for what? how?). I saw him this morning - dropping the car off - and he has taken up smoking, but otherwise has just gone into work as normal. He has no intention of getting any help. Doesn't seem to think that it is an issue to slap your daughter so hard that it leaves a red mark on her face.

It is so upsetting. She is so upset. I am so upset. but I really don't know what to do next. I am adamant he won't see the children again until he accepts this issue and does something about it. but he says I'm just doing this to get at him. I'm not. I can't see him hurt my babies like this. I just don't know what to do to stop him.

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lifeistooshort · 30/04/2012 15:39

so Sad for your DD. I have to say in your shoes I would do the same and would refuse contact with the kids. Who knows what he could do next or unsupervised.

Beazle · 30/04/2012 15:42

I just can't understand how he can not think it's a problem. Had I done the same, I would have been down the doctors first thing this morning begging for help. I certainly wouldn't be blaming everyone else and denying its an issue. it's mad.

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sugarice · 30/04/2012 15:44

That's awful for your dd and you. You're right about denying him access until he sorts out his anger issues. How long left until you're due to give birth and what are your plans for childcare at that time?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 30/04/2012 15:45

You're separated so be separate. Forge your own life, drop all contact and communicate only via solicitors. No more jolly days out as the family you no longer are. You need to protect both yourself and your children.

NicknameTaken · 30/04/2012 15:46

You're doing the right thing. Stick to your guns. If he keeps demanding to see them, you can offer access in a contact centre (you can self-refer).

If he does go to court, chances are he probably will get access - again, it might start off in a contact centre.

If he turned up at the dc's school, he would be entitled to take them. I think it would be a good idea to talk to a local solicitor (ring around a few local ones - you can often get a free 30-min consultation) to talk about your options in terms of a residence order.

MardyArsedMidlander · 30/04/2012 15:47

He could have been arrested for hitting his child so hard it leaves a mark. I also have a real hatred of people who hit children round the head- it is bloody dangerous and quite easy to cause some real physical damage.

Your DD needs to know she is safe and has a parent who can protect her and who is on her side. I woul d not be allowing him unsupervised contact until he gets some help, demonstrates change and realises what he did wrong.

weegiemum · 30/04/2012 15:48

I don't know the situation elsewhere in the uk but in Scotland it's illegal to hit a child anywhere on the head and it would be classed as assault. He's being an intimidating bully. You're doing the right thing to protect your children from him.

IvanaNap · 30/04/2012 15:54

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Beazle · 30/04/2012 16:02

I told him it was assault. We don't spend time together as a family. he came in to put them to bed after having them for the day because I'm 38 weeks pregnant and exhausted. he won't be doing that again.

Last week was a one off - I was going on my own with the dcs, and he made a huge fuss because it was his contact day.

It just seems so crazy that someone who was so normal can now have such strange views about this. I don't recognise the person he has become.

I'm not allowing him any contact with them at the moment. I already had other plans for the labour (on my own Sad) and have childcare in place.

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izzyizin · 30/04/2012 16:05

There are 3 ways to stop him:

  1. You need to get this incident recorded asap. Take your dd to her GP and also talk to the Headteacher at her school. ]
  1. You also need to assure your dd over and over again - reinforced by her doctor/teachers/family/friends/professionals - that it was most certainly not her fault that the man who should be protecting her from any harm chose to harm her.
  1. For the future welfare and wellbeing of yourself and your dc, you're best advised to report your h to the police. If he gets slapped in the cells for a few hours it may make him think twice about slapping his vulnerable children.

To treat a child in this manner is unacceptable at any time but to do so at bedtime, when they should be feeling loved and secure as they settle down for the night, is a particularly heinous act.

Rezolution · 30/04/2012 16:07

Beazle You can do without him. Keep him away from your DD and certainly do not let him have any contact with the baby.
Find a few real friends who can support you through the pregnancy and then move on - without him.
The children are better off without the disruption.

noddyholder · 30/04/2012 16:08

You really need to log this somewhere as if it happens again and you need to take things further it is helpful.

AbigailAdams · 30/04/2012 16:17

Call the Police, seriously. Your DD needs to know you take her safety seriously and your ex needs to know he overstepped the mark big time. If he had been, shocked apologetic etc that would be one thing, but he is blaming you and your DD for his appalling behaviour.

ll31 · 30/04/2012 17:12

think you are absolutely right though don't know the legal situation. To be honest if he'd slapped her on legs I don't think I'd have agreed but to slap a child (anyone) on face just seems worse. Hope she's got over upset.

bearbehavinbadly · 30/04/2012 18:16

it is wrong to hit his daughter so hard it causes a red mark don,t leave him alone with your children ever again. if that was me the guy would be lucky to be walking.but 2 wrongs don,t make aright call the police.

SuePurblyingoodVOICE · 30/04/2012 18:24

What izzy and Abigail said. Get it recorded.

AThingInYourLife · 30/04/2012 18:28

You need to report this assault to the police.

What the fuck is going on that a man who was a normal husband and father last year is now slapping a 7 year old across the face and justifying it? Confused

Either way, he is clearly a danger to children and needs to be kept away from them.

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 30/04/2012 18:46

Beazle - I'm pretty sure I know who you are (on here, not IRL!!), I'm pretty sure I was on your other threads :( But just in case I have you mixed up with another poster - can you confirm whether you have reported him & have anything on record or not?

As others have said, you need to report this, so that you have 'official' back up for him not seeing them if it comes to that.

I'm pleased you are not making any excuses for him and have stopped his access to the children. In other situations I might say that if you think it would benefit the children you could consider allowing him to see them at your house, but that would not benefit you or the children.

I have no idea what the hell he is doing/going through/thinking/taking - but he's on a path of self destruction and I think all you can do is keep yourself and the children away from it :(

Everytime he gets in touch, just tell him that he needs to go to the Dr and get help, serious help :(

Oh and about the car, stop making his life easy. Keep the car and tell him he needs to sort his own life out... stop helping him and let him stand on his own two feet.

ABOVE ALL - you have to find a way of explaining to your DD (or getting someone else who is a little removed from the situation but that she trusts) that is it NOT her fault, that you aren't sure why but for a while now Daddy has been acting badly and doing things that are wrong and that it's Daddy's fault and Daddy's responsibility to get this sorted out, that no matter how naughty she was being (if she even was??) it was wrong of Daddy to hit her on the face like that. That no-one has the right to do that to anyone, no matter what and that Daddy doing things like that to you and you worrying about him doing it to all of you is the main reason that you are no longer living with Daddy. That you are very sorry she was in that position, that you didn't think he would do that to her, but now you know better he will not be allowed to be in a position where he could do it again. You have to make her understand it's not her fault and it's not acceptable. Bastard.

Big hugs - hang in there x

Beazle · 30/04/2012 20:29

I'm probably am who you think I am. My life is spiralling pretty much out of control now - every time I think it can't get worse it does. It has been so easy for my relationship and life to fall apart - a lesson to me and anyone, as we were extremely stable before.

Anyway, haven't reported him yet, I am thinking about what to do and need to get the children to bed first. I also need to think about the repurcussions - it really doesn't help me or the children for him to lose his job. But I am firm in my resolve that he won't be seeing the children whether alone or with me until I start seeing some evidence that he is taking himself in order. I can't face seeing him, so there won't be any supervised access, and he's not being with them on his own. I need to concentrate on my daughter and my other children and having the new baby now, and I don't have the headspace to think about what he's doing to himself. But agree he is on a very strange self destruct path. I don't think I am making excuses for him to say that I think he has mental health issues and has done for some time. I just can't comprehend what he is thinking.

but he's on his own for the time being - I'm not supporting him, helping him or even contacting him. I did think about contacting his mother, but I can't stand her, and can't face her, so I'm not. I'm not sure she'd do anything anyway (last time she was sending him crap messages like "don't give up" when he was being shit and abusive).

I may go to the doctor and speak to her about this, and then it is on record somewhere.

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ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 30/04/2012 20:42

I know - life can change at the flick of a switch :(

I can't remember (if I even knew?) what he does for a job?! Would it definitely mean he would lose his job? I can understand your dilemma, but I would definitely find a way of getting it logged - even if it's with a solicitor & the Dr (as you said).

No, it's not an excuse to say you think he might have a MH issue and it's sad if that is the case, but if he wont go for help there is very little you can do, sadly.

His mother is either a completely toxic twat or has her own MH issues... and as you say, not someone who is really going to help in this situation.

It doesn't sound like you have much RL support :( I hope you can find someone who can be there with you when you give birth.

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