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He's lying, isn't he?

58 replies

LovesPeace · 24/04/2012 08:57

To give you a potted history, partner of 12 years, has been supportive and kind for most of it, but has a secretive side.
Have struggled a bit in the last few years - sick pets which needed lots of care, my father died last spring, both working long hours (no kids).
I've 'felt' that things have changed in last six months - he doesn't look me in the eye, answers me in teenager like grunts (he's late 30's and I'm 5yrs older). I've told him that I feel 'lonely' - but I also feel that he's been engineering arguments - no matter what I do I can't win, and get grumped at and told I need to 'see someone'.
Life should have been easier this past few months as our commitments have reduced, but it has been worse. :( I have felt he is hiding something from me - and looked at his computer where I find incriminating pictures.
I challenge him - he says it is nothing, it is over, it was way back in Jan when we were under a lot of stress, he wants to be with me, he does love me, but he does not seem that bothered. When I push him, he threatens to leave, I ask him not to - I want to sort things out and know what is going on!
We are now alternating between behaving like sweet lovers (while I secretly call him names in my head because I am so angry but not allowed to express it) and rowing, because I am apparently 'unreasonable'.
He was in the living room this morning, and I thought to myself 'if I go down, he will stop what he is doing and get up' and sure enough he had been on his mobile, jumped up and said he had to go to work.
I asked to see his text messages (first time ever) and he scowled 'no' then barged past me to go to work. He shouts that he is 'sick of this' and storms out.
Am I wrong to think his refusal to show me text messages means he is still having an affair with this work colleague?
Sorry...I don't trust my own judgement any more!

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InfiniteFairylights · 24/04/2012 13:09

Well done LovesPeace! I would suggest asking him to move out- if you do the separate rooms thing you will have to put up with a lot of sulking and childish behaviour when he realises that you will no longer be servicing his needs. It would be really hard not to pick up after him, etc, as I bet he will refuse to tidy and will probably be deliberately messy to punish you.

MadAboutHotChoc · 24/04/2012 13:14

yes, one of you should definitely move out - I know you are going to be so much happier without this cocklodger.

Good luck Smile

clam · 24/04/2012 13:15

Well you said you found some incriminating pictures - I think I registered that as porn but anyway, no matter. He's on his way out of your life.
Good for you!

LovesPeace · 24/04/2012 13:56

I was trying to be discreet - I haven't actually been bothered if he views porn (as long as it is adult).
The reality is that one of his staff had sent him pictures of her sleeping with another man and in porno poses. My lovely partner had responded with pictures of his erect penis over the ipad pictures of her in porno style. Ewww. Just ewww.
He also admitted sleeping with a prostitute because he wanted to see what having oral sex through a glory hole was like. Another ewww.

But the good news is that it's all my fault because I should be finding out what he likes, and servicing it. I did even try asking him what he'd like, and he said dismissively 'I don't know, that's for YOU to find out'.

I now plan to become an eccentric single, but happy cat lady. :) He just doesn't know this yet - tonight I am going to tell him I am leaving him, but am keeping the details to myself in case he tries to sabotage me.

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MadAboutHotChoc · 24/04/2012 14:02

Yuk, he sounds even more vile given his view of women - buying the services of prostitutes is really the worst type of cheating and I do hope you have been tested for STDs.

SquishyCinnamonSwirls · 24/04/2012 14:10

I'm glad you're sounding angry - use it. Also very pleased to hear you've told your boss and got some local support.
Focus on the practicalities for the moment, and then go and be that eccentric, happy cat lady :)

LovesPeace · 24/04/2012 14:13

Well, MadAbout, I tried to suggest to him that he was abusing both his employee given her issues, and the prostitute. I said I was sad that he felt the need to abuse women.
He said that his colleague was 'fine' and that the prostitute enjoyed sucking his cock, as he had asked her and she said so. Shock She apparently assured him that she would be a swinger (if she didn't have such a great job and get paid for it too). Her 'husband' said so too, he reported.
I never thought he was such a selfish fuckwit innocent. Angry
And yes re STDs - I'll take care of me.

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MadAboutHotChoc · 24/04/2012 14:16

You are right in saying he was abusing these women.

Surely he must realise the prostitute was only doing it for money - stupid fuckwit!!

Hope the STD tests are clear Sad

Charbon · 24/04/2012 14:26

He's disgusting. I don't know how you can have been in the same room as him, let alone have sex with him. I hope your health is clear. Porn's never harmless by the way. Never have a relationship with a porn user.

LovesPeace · 24/04/2012 14:31

Don't be too harsh on me Charbon. I'm still grieving for my father and for my beloved pet who I lost in Jan.
And I suppose I really was in shock/disbelief that it had really happened. If I love someone/something, I tend to try to do it fully and perfectly, and thought I was being a good person by being willing to forgive his indiscretions and move on.

I also believed him when he kept saying it was because I had 'driven him to it' by being crap in all ways. :(
More fool me, I know. :( But at least I'm manning up (womanning up?) now.
It is hard though.

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captainmummy · 24/04/2012 14:31

Ah! He's noticed the 'new' you!

He aill now be sweetness and light for a while, convincing you that in fact everything is fine and sunny.

Then it will go back to grunts and moodiness.

LovesPeace · 24/04/2012 14:34

Well, maybe captainmummy, but I'm not going to be around to 'enjoy' the sweetness and light' nor to endure the grunts and moodiness. Grin
I really am going to get shot of this prick.

I have taken practical steps already (don't want to detail them in case he reads this - and he might).

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captainmummy · 24/04/2012 14:51

Glad you have made steps LovesPeace, you have come a long way in a short time!

I just know that once you are out, you have less stress, less housework, less pandering to others - it's great!

villagegossip · 24/04/2012 15:05

Just wanted to wish you luck with your new life - how exciting! Agree that the only reason you need to give him (if at all) is that you have realised he is not good enough for you! Grin

In a few weeks time when you are sitting in YOUR new garden with your cats having a Brew or Wine in the sunshine - it will all be worth it and that pathetic weasel will have lost it all! Smile

Seabright · 24/04/2012 15:09

Have a look at your tenancy agreement - give notice when you are ready to move, so he can't do a bunk and leave you fully responsible for the rent; you will both be joint and severally responsible, so you want to be sure you are paying the least you legally have to. If you need help making sure you give the right notice on the right day try the CAB or an hours worth of advice from a specialist tenancy lawyer might save you a packet.

ErikNorseman · 24/04/2012 15:20

Can you rent the spare room out? You could sublet for a bit if necessary, at least until you find somewhere just for you.

Abitwobblynow · 24/04/2012 15:23

Don't bother about giving notice to the landlord - just move out, and leave him to deal with it for once.

Please leave, please move. You are worth so much more than this horrid human being. If you ever waver, think of the erect penis.

I really hope you do some thinking as to why he appealed to you and how it slowly got worse; so that next time you meet someone you will be more aware.

Proudnscary · 24/04/2012 15:29

What is a 'glory hole' Confused

What a manipulative, selfish, untrustworthy, mysogynistic, deluded, exploitative, self-centred, egotistical, destructive, unpleasant and deeply unattractive man he is.

YAY - YOU ARE ON THE PRECIPICE OF FREEDOM!!!!!

captainmummy · 24/04/2012 15:33

Yeah - I wondered what oral sex through a glory hole was!

LovesPeace · 24/04/2012 15:33

A 'glory hole' is apparently a cut out circle in a wall (typically toilet) or door where the man can insert his ahem appendages, in order for someone (on the other side) to render oral sex.
Nice, huh?

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Babylon1 · 24/04/2012 15:38

And I always thought glory hole referred to the cupboard under the stairs where you shove all the crap that doesn't have a specific home of it's own!!!Blush

I REALLY need to stop talking about our glory hole now I know their other meaning Blush

InfiniteFairylights · 24/04/2012 15:46

Grin Babylon, I thought it referred to that too, was very Confused

kingbeat23 · 24/04/2012 15:51

I think you are thinking of a cubby hole Babylon and Infinate.

I second the fact that you might be better in asking him to leave and have your final months in the flat by yourself, rather than leaving you wih the will he- won't he in the run up to both of you moving out and having to ask him for his split of the bills. (do we have to pay these now??) Seems to me he knows which buttons to press to get a certain type of reaction from you.

By all means be happy about your moving on and making the realisation that you have spent a considerble amount of type with a knobber, but if you're going to be disecting assets and potentialy be left with bills or debts to pay on your current flat, at least let it be on your own terms this time.

Good luck

Seabright · 24/04/2012 16:25

Oral sex through a hole in the wall? Really? People pay good money for that? Wow, every day is a school day, huh?

Wouldn't there be a risk of splinters?

MagsAloof · 24/04/2012 16:32

Oh dear. Get rid of this lowlife. Honestly. I had a relationship with a n abusive, sexually deviant twat, too (you ca read all about it on the red flag thread). He is sick, and none of this is your fault or even anything remotely to do with you.

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