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DP being untruthful about online contact with ex-gf

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DaisyDebauchery · 23/04/2012 10:46

I've namechanged for this, and changed all names of people involved.

Last week, DP and I were out for dinner with his sister and her partner. We were all just chatting away and SIL said, "blast from the past; guess who messaged me on Facebook the other week - Jen Johnson!" I already know that Jen was DP's first proper girlfriend from almost 20 years ago, and that she was very close to SIL as well as all their family. DP and SIL chatted about Jen and her brothers for a bit, then topic moved on.

A few days afterwards, DP said to me entirely unprompted, "you know how we were talking about Jen at dinner - I've already decided that if she contacts me on Facebook or suggests to [SIL] that we meet up, I'm not going to respond to her because my life is with you now, and I noticed that you went very quiet when we were talking about her." I replied that I only went quiet because I couldn't really join in with a conversation about somebody I'd never met, that it didn't upset me in the slightest that she'd been a topic of conversation, that I don't feel 'threatened' by the idea of him having ex-girlfriends, and that if he wanted to get in touch with her for old time's sake then not to let me stop him as it wouldn't bother me. All true. He said that even so, he didn't feel the need to contact her.

Yesterday, I was using his Facebook account (I don't have my own account but use his occasionally to keep in touch with our mutual friends, which he knows about) and noticed that he made a friend request to and exchanged messages with Jen a couple of days after the dinner with SIL but before the day where he said to me that he wouldn't want to have contact with her. I also noticed that one of Jen's very recent status updates is "Oh, that weird weird feeling when THE lost love of your life pops up in your life and it's like you're both young again, all mistakes unmade and you suddenly feel like you have a chance to say the stuff that should have been said twenty years ago. Seize the day, people."

She's married, according to her profile and what SIL had already said.

For context, this is the second time that DP has said something to me, unprompted, about one of his ex-girlfriends, which turned out to be totally untrue: about a year ago he said to me out of the blue, of his most recent ex-girlfriend: "You know, I never had any real feelings for Sophie and I never told her that I loved her or anything." I hadn't asked anything about her or given any indication of feeling insecure or comparing our relationship to his previous ones. I later discovered through friends of his that he very much had told Sophie he loved her and that for somebody with no real feelings he'd certainly done a very good job of showing otherwise by discussing with one of his friends about asking her to marry him at one stage. Have never mentioned that I know this to him.

I don't know what to think. I generally believe Facebook to be the work of the devil with all the hearsay and gossip and seven degrees-ness of it, and don't want to use things I've read on it as the basis for confronting him. But if I don't, I'm always going to wonder why he'd tell me one thing whilst having already done the opposite, aren't I? What's he playing at? :(

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YNK · 23/04/2012 17:29

Why don't you use this joint FB profile to ask the 'ow' what she means by carpe diem, making it clear who you are and that it is a joint status?

Doha · 23/04/2012 18:24

Ask if you can have access to his emails before he has a chance to delete them. If he is happy for you to see his emails (and check the deleted ones) you probably have nothing ot worry about. If not.....he has something to hide

MissFaversham · 23/04/2012 21:11

In my book you don't keep in touch with ex's because they are that for a reason. Men who like clutter, as in ex's remind me of the now Simon "want to boke" Cowel. They want need some sort of trail behind them of people they shaft but are drippy nice to that cant let go due to bloody EGO.

Sorry to be so blunt honey but this one is a man-child.

QuacksForDoughnuts · 23/04/2012 22:07

Could be that he made 'just friends' contact with her around the time he talked to his sister, then got put off by her gushing about how her one true love has come back - and that he felt crap enough about it to overdo the track-covering with you...

Bucharest · 24/04/2012 08:18

He sounds pathetic. And pretty damn thick to be honest, with his "methinks he doth protest too much" scenarios and then letting himself be caught out because you share a FB account.

And OP, you have already moved from your initial posts to defending his actions, have you noticed? He's straightforward, he doesn't lie, girlfriends try and trap him, exes treat him bad.

I would venture that he has lied to each and every one of you constantly and will continue to do so.

As for her, her ex has contacted her, and she feels good about that. He is presumably serving her up the gush and mush that has made her feel 20yrs younger.

ManMinder · 24/04/2012 09:15

Lots of skewed advice from bitter women. My skewed bitter advice is to talk openly and straightforwardly with your husband, he sounds like a nice guy, but it is very easy to start something as a bit of fun 'no harm, it's online' and suddenly find yourself in a situation you didn't want, especially if the other party is pushing things along. Talk to him, don't accuse or confront him, tell him you're uncomfortable, and take things from there. Good luck!

MadAboutHotChoc · 24/04/2012 10:13

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AnyFucker · 24/04/2012 11:23

"bitter" women

oh, dear Grin

DaisyDebauchery · 24/04/2012 12:26

To update. DP's explanation of events is that he got in touch with Jen after the dinner with SIL just to exchange greetings and catch up with the goings on of the past twenty years - by all accounts she's a fascinating and very driven woman, having practiced emergency medicine with Medecins Sans Frontieres, gotten her private pilot's license, traveled extensively throughout Africa and so on. He became a bit alarmed when she started talking in a way which wasn't within that tone - about the "fabulous connection" they'd had and how she'd always felt that their break-up "wasn't the end of things" and how everybody had thought they'd get married eventually and wasn't it funny that all these years later he still wasn't married and "only had a girlfriend". It was after that that he decided to stop responding to her and told me that he wasn't interested in getting in touch or meeting up - he says to deflect me from encouraging him to do so if SIL brought it up in front of me in future.

I do trust him that this the truth, but I'm still going to be insisting on an ongoing discussion about why he thought lying would do a better job than the truth. I do question his motives for wanting to be friends with so many of his previous partners; I'm only in touch with the one of mine - and he has a DD who I had a step-parent relationship with for six years which we all wanted to continue. Likewise I don't know anybody who stays in touch with more than one or two of their previous partners. I have discussed it previously with DP and let him know that it rather mystifies me and he has always been honest with me about his contact - he's never tried to pretend he doesn't do it. But I think this has highlighted to me that it's something I need to address properly with him, as I've never fully admitted how uneasy it sometimes makes me.

I disagree about "bitter", ManMinder - I've used MN for years and must have read and contributed to hundreds of threads from women who've been at the receiving end of a cheating partner, and I really want to thank those like MadAboutHotChoc and Looksgoodingravy who've shared their experience of betrayal. It's difficult when you love somebody to be able to believe that they could hurt you and that you might be better off without them, and that obviously clouds how I think about his behaviour.

Because I'm friends with many of his friends and am close to MIL and SIL, I do know that the things he's said about previous partners trapping him/treating him badly are true - that's the only reason I'm defending him on those counts. He is a good guy and I do very much believe that he loves me: I have fertility problems and can't have children. I don't want to go through IVF or adopt, so DP and I reached the decision two years ago that we wouldn't have children. It's a sacrifice he's made for me, and I hold him dear for it. My career is very much the one which we prioritise - it's more niche, more important to me and I earn more - and again he's more than happy to take a supporting role when necessary. He's kind, generous, supportive and those who know him would agree. Ultimately, all of these are relevent because although my other posts have given the impression that he's just a cheating twat who it would be terribly liberating to get rid of, I can't pretend this is the whole truth.

You're all great, you are :)

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DaisyDebauchery · 24/04/2012 12:26

Apologies for the essay - the cup of work-persona runneth over.

But thanks everyone :)

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AnyFucker · 24/04/2012 12:29

All the best, Daisy x

Vicky2011 · 24/04/2012 12:44

Good news that you have tackled him about it and tbh, I think what he has described does sound plausible but he equally needs to understand that his actions on finding that he had opened too much of a can of worms should have been to tell you about it rather than doing the protesting too much thing which makes it all look way more sinister than it probably is.

ManMinder · 24/04/2012 12:50

An I not entitled to give my perspective and advice? If not, what is the point?

AnyFucker · 24/04/2012 12:54

of course you can, MrM, but you give your perspective at the expense of others

just make your point without calling other contributors "bitter" and "skewed" and they won't pick you up on it

you know that though, don't you ?

YNK · 24/04/2012 12:58

You've made your point and been responded to manminder. Why do you want to derail this thread with your cynical view of women? Why not start your own thread and I'm sure we will help you too.

maras2 · 24/04/2012 13:08

Daisy,you are fab.Best wishes. Mx.

MadAboutHotChoc · 24/04/2012 13:10

I agree that he needs to think about why he feels the need to be in touch with his exes and that you both need a good chat about boundaries. You both may find this quiz helpful:

www.shirleyglass.com/quizfriendship.php

Take care x

Bucharest · 24/04/2012 13:16

Ditto what AF says Daisy. Hope it all works out.

("Jen" sounds hugely irritating Wink)x

ManMinder · 24/04/2012 16:27

YNK, AnyFucker, you misunderstood my post. I apologise if my slightly lighthearted approach (I called myself bitter and skewed, not anyone else!) backfired and will be more careful in future. Yours in Peace! Me.

AnyFucker · 24/04/2012 17:36

"Lots of skewed advice from bitter women". Lighthearted ?

My sides are splitting.

YNK · 24/04/2012 17:38

No probs manminder

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