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His lies, my fault, how to move on?

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malheureux · 17/04/2012 14:56

Less than a year ago, my dp became friends with a woman through a mutual hobby. Despite the fact he has other female friends, my initial feeling was one of unease, I can't explain why I felt this as I never have felt like this before or since. She very quickly became a huge part of our life together, in the fact he was always talking about her, texting her, planning things with her and spending every evening talking to her online. We had a few rows about this and the next time he went out with another friend she went too, but, he decided to keep it secret from me, I knew, but, gave him the opportunity to tell me, but, he didn't until I confronted him and he said he had done it to spare my feelings and avoid another row.

From that point, I became suspicious and to my shame I started constantly checking up on him, looking at his computer history, text messages and call history. The things I found, I felt were flirty and crossed the line, especially as this woman is married too. Cue another few months of almost constant rowing, increased aggression and my suspicions spiralling out of control, he was unwilling to listen to my feelings and dismissed them and I became an emotional wreck.

A few months back, I reached a point where I issued him an ultimatum, it was either me or his friendship, sometimes I can't quite believe I said that, but, I felt like my sanity was at stake. I'm not a controlling person, i'm not demanding of his time, love, money, affection and he's always had as much freedom as is possible with having children, but, I felt at breaking point. After another aggressive row, he agreed to end the friendship. I spent my time after that trying to become the perfect person for him and trying to win his trust back, he became more hostile and angry, I could ask him a simple question and he would scream in my face and walk out on me, life became hell and all the while I had a nagging doubt that something was going on as lots of little things didn't add up.

8 weeks later I discovered he had never ended the friendship, he just kept it secret, they had designated times to call and text each other everyday (this is when he stopped contacting me in the daytime) which were deleted afterwards, when he went out, he went out with her and told me he was going somewhere different. Their friendship only ended when at some point her husband became suspicious as she lied about where she was, my dp willingly ended it to save their marriage, but, wouldn't do it to save our own and this is the bit I can't quite get my head round. I've since met her and she said she didn't think my dp would have told me anytime soon about their friendship if I hadn't have found out.

I don't know how to get passed this, the fact he never once considered my feelings, that he would lie to my face, that i'm now left scared to talk to him because of the way he's been with me and that he let me believe I was going insane rather than tell me the truth, which I think is cruel. I know i've brought a lot of this on myself and I am to blame for forcing him into lying to me. I'm not (despite how this may read) a horrible person and some of the things I have done have been so out of character for me. I really want our relationship to work, but, I don't know how to make it work or get it back on track.

Sorry this is so long :(

OP posts:
sternface · 17/04/2012 23:15

Like fuck this wasn't an affair Hmm

Your prick of a husband has done a helluva number on you if you're blaming yourself for this crappy situation. You did nothing wrong.

If you'd done the same to him with a married man who'd invaded his life, who got you to lie to him and whom you put before your marriage, what would he have done and said?

Would he have said 'Go right ahead love. I know it's my fault that you're having an affair, lie to me and blame me when I get upset. I'll try harder to ignore what's happening and I'll become husband-of-the-year." ??

Would he fuck. And if he did, you'd never respect him.

Inertia · 17/04/2012 23:55

You are not to blame. Please don't take on any on the blame for your partner's actions.

He is the one having (in all likelihood) an affair- at the very least it's an inappropriately close friendship.

He has been aggressive towards you.

He has lied, over and over again.

He has proved to you that your views and feelings do not matter one bit- he is only willing to consider her .

It's much much easier for him to blame you- that way he doesn't have to take any responsibility or blame for his own actions. He is putting her before you , and before your children.

Whatever you do won't help. You cannot single-handedly save a partnership.And even if you make it work, he will always have the resentment that you forced his soulmate away, while you will never be able to trust him.You need to start thinking about what's best for you and the children.

izzyizin · 18/04/2012 00:18

You want to get this relationship 'back on track' (god help you)?

Tell him that if he's not willing to attend Relate sessions, he can pack his bags and sling his hook because he's not worthy of you.

FoxyRoxy · 18/04/2012 00:28

I'm sorry OP your relationship will never get back on track as long as he continues this "friendship". He has shown zero respect for you, your feelings or your marriage. If I was in your situation I would be seeking legal advice.

solidgoldbrass · 18/04/2012 01:18

He has demostrated in every possible way that he considers her more iimportant than you, so there is really no way to continue in this marriage. For one thing, he is almost certainly preparing and planning to leave you for her when the time is right.
So get some legal advice and get in there first, so you can start recovering and moving on in your own time.

MadAboutHotChoc · 18/04/2012 09:10

He is so addicted to the ego boosting attention he's getting from OW - there is no chance of bursting this fantasy bubble and repairing things unless you kick him out.

countless · 18/04/2012 09:17

as izzyizin said it has to be clear you will not tolerate this! no drama a simple ultimatum, if your feelings and relationship are not his priority he has to go.

as another poster said he is clearly emotionally intoxicated and pursuing this friendship in the hope it will lead somewhere. i'm afraid if he doesn't cherish your relationship above all else you will have to leave him to it

stargazy · 18/04/2012 10:36

Please DO NOt blame yourself.You trusted your husband,you tried to talk reasonably about your well founded fears and he chose to throw it back in your face.Unless he has a very sudden epiphany about how inappropriate it would be to resume this friendship/ continue contact and the hurt he has caused you I would think seriously about continuing to share your life with him.You sound lovely and you deserve so much more.Not only has he basically had an affair - albeit emotional that you know of,but take it from me the hurt and fall out from that is immense - he has seriously messed with your head by making you feel you are the one with the problem when it is HIM.
A truly platonic friendship should never make you feel this way.And yes maybe talk to her husband to get the whole picture.I didn't at the time and often wished I had.X

malheureux · 18/04/2012 11:15

I just wanted to say thank you again for all your advice, kindness, similar experiences and honesty. I have read every post and taken on board what you have all said.

Reading this all makes me feel sick and teary and i have realised that i now have a lot more to think about than just trying to make this work as it's looking unlikely it will. I need to work on me and getting my life back on track.

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ItsMeYouSee · 18/04/2012 11:38

AF I try and know that you know, but deep down the question is there..if I had picked up the signs and acted on it sooner..could I have prevented it. I think I know in my heart of hearts that I could not of stopped it, they both knew where it was going, of course they did, and at some point they will have decided that the risk was with it. That is the hardest thing to bear -to get over, my "lovely" H thought about me and our children and decided she was worth loosing it all over.
malheureux How are you doing to today?? Its a truely horrible place you've found yourself in, through no fault of your own. Have you thought about how you are going to tackle it..have you spoken to your H about it anymore..do you even want to?
I do agree with the posters that say he has left you no option but to kick him out..maybe this will shock him into realising what he is about to loose.
Perhaps you've caught it before its got physical.....does that make it any easier to bare. Once I knew the truth the sex became a secondary hurt, what hurt the most was the betrayal..the fact that someone else became number 1 and that he allowed that to happen.
Your in my thoughts....

malheureux · 18/04/2012 12:29

Thank you for the thoughts :) ..i just feel awful today, in fact i have since yesterday when people started responding to this thread, although it made me feel better posting it, it was the reaction to it that upset me and made me see i had to think differently. I'm going to talk to him later, he knows that something is wrong with me, he's unusually perceptive when it comes to my feelings (which i guess makes his ignorance of them when it suits even worse) he says he's worried about me. When i found out, i did say to him it would have been easier to deal with if he'd slept with her, like you, it's the betrayal that hurts the most.

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AnyFucker · 18/04/2012 17:35

he's "worried" about you ?

but he can't do the one simple thing he knows he has to do to save your relationship ?

I don't believe him

I think his "worries" are for himself

tell him what he has to do and see if he can step up

  1. stop the lies, and show you the respect you deserve by coming clean about what has actually happened

  2. cut all contact with OW all of it and do it in front of you

Then, and only then, would it be anywhere near possible for your relationship to survive with any of your self esteem, and his integrity, left intact

AThingInYourLife · 18/04/2012 17:50

"he's unusually perceptive when it comes to my feelings (which i guess makes his ignorance of them when it suits even worse)"

There was never any ignorance of them.

He has used his perception to manipulate you into believing you are at fault here.

He knows you don't like to think of yourself as possessive or jealous, so he has played on that and got you to join him in ignoring that your instincts about this woman were spot on.

He has been using his perceptiveness of your feelings against you.

Watch out - he probably hasn't stopped. His "concern" is that you are less amenable to his manipulation, not for your wellbeing.

AnyFucker · 18/04/2012 17:53

yes, for "perceptive to my feelings" read "manipulative and devious"

lou2321 · 18/04/2012 17:53

Do not think you sound like a horrible person as you are most definitely not. You sound very level headed actually given the circumstances.

I think from your DPs response to what was going on it doesn't really sound entirely innocent.

Its hard to explain what I am trying to say, if he truly valued his relationship with you I think he would have stopped this friendship to stop hurting you. Its not like it was a lifelong friend he knew before being with you etc. Why would he need to have this sort of relationship with another woman.

Some other people may say that he should be able to be friends with who he likes etc etc, I don't really believe this is the case, if he really cared he would never have wanted to hurt you in this way.

I have no advice on where you should go now really, I hope you figure it all out!

sneezecakesmum · 18/04/2012 20:09

If you don't feel capable at the moment of seeing a solicitor and looking into separation, you could just withdraw mentally and physically because he has withdrawn himself emotionally from you and is giving his emotions to this other woman.

I have no doubt he will use this to justify his further involvement (maybe physical) with this woman, but frankly he is going to do it anyway. At least if you put some mental distance between you it wont be so painful when the inevitable happens. Maybe withdrawing and telling him to go and do what he wants instead of sneaking behind your back will be the thing to bring him to his senses and see what he will be throwing away. As others say he is enjoying this lovely fantasy relationship. The OW is alway attractively dressed, always attentive, met in settings away from domestic chaos and children - of course he's loving it!

He will ask you why you are being cold and distant tell him honestly how you feel about this other woman and their friendship but dont give ultimatums, just explain that you feel he is being cold and distant to you and you are behaving the same. tbh you have tried everything else so it may be worth a try, it at least gives you back some self esteem which he is doing a good job of destroying at the moment. I would also give some thought about what you would do if he had an affair with her then came back to you having realised the grass isnt always greener. Would you take him back? Is it salvageable if this happened?

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