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Toxic MIL

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PamelaShipman · 11/04/2012 23:57

Our baby is 1 week old. MIL has been here for the past 3 days visiting as she lives quite a few miles away. She is a witch with form for tainting everything and for her complete emotional absence towards DH. I can't believe I have bitten my tongue throughout her entire visit, and need to share her catalogue of nasty comments or I will explode. Please tell me I'm not going mad and she really is TOXIC:

  • We had asked her to bring some pictures with her of DH as a baby/toddler to compare with DS. She brought some, told us it was 'a bit of a tall order' and said that we could only keep one.
  • I went into the kitchen to make MIL a cup of tea, and she took the opportunity to show DH the little presents that aunties etc had sent for the family, by the time I came back with her tea they had been opened.
  • DH's two brother's haven't acknowledged DS being born at all despite being aware that he is here, not even a text message to DH. MIL told DH he needed to get in touch with his brothers and that it was a problem for her that he hadn't made an effort.
  • MIL then said that DH's younger brother had advised her not to give DH a it of money for the baby as a present as she had planned to do, and that she should put money into an account instead for all of her grandchildren (DS is the only grandchild so presuming future grandchildren). MIL said that she was then going to get an outfit for DS instead but didn't know what size he would be. I don't want her 20 quid from her anyway, but how can DH's brother know that his nephew had been born and all he has to say about him is not to give him anything?
  • Has yet to ask 'how are you', 'how was the labour', 'how are your jobs' etc. She has asked me two questions since she has been here, I made a point of counting.
  • My nan is in a hospice and has days to weeks. I mentioned this to her and she immediately began describing, in minute detail, the deterioration of a man that she had known once who had the same condition as my nan until his eventual death. And then commented that she knew another lady who also had cancer but it wasn't terminal as my nan's is and she got over it 'so it's not always bad news for everyone'. I started crying and DH told MIL to stop, to which she gave him an affronted look.
  • I have waited on her hand and foot, making her cups of tea, making her meals, driving her round. She doesn't say please or thank you, just eats her dinner, puts her dish in the sink and returns to the couch. She has done nothing since she got here, just sits on the couch in silence unless she is speaking about DH's brothers.
  • I stood up earlier and winced. DH asked if I was ok and I replied that I was still feeling a bit sore and had maybe been doing a bit much too early. MIL then said 'well, you do need to hit the ground running when you've had a baby, it's not like being ill'. Fuck off, I had not stopped all day, and she's acting like I'm a lazy cow.
  • If we try to make conversation about anything to do with our lives she gives no response. As in, no acknowledgement that she has even heard us. Since her last visit we have redecorated the whole house and she has given no comment. We showed her the baby's nursery and she looked in and said 'oh'. She thought DH worked in a petrol station. His job is not even similar to working in a petrol station.
  • Made a gushing phone call to one of DH's brothers, all very 'well you are doing so well with your job, love you, no I love you more' whilst sitting with us on the couch. She hasn't said one kind thing to DH, who is such a lovely man and lovely with the baby.
  • Has barely looked at or held DS, made no comments about him being lovely or whatever. She has been with us all day today and held him for the first time at 8pm after she had seen that I had a picture of DH's stepmum holding him. She asked DH to take a picture of her with DS then handed him back. Why bother visiting at all?
  • Has told us that she is coming back at the beginning of June. My brother has pulled strings to fly back from another country where he is studying and will be here on these exact dates especially to see DS. I am not having her tainting that for me as well and taking time away from my brother's visit, she can visit any other time surely.

I just cannot bear to have this woman in my life any more, it has felt as if the past few days have been one long barrage of hurtful comments. Without her here, we have a happy life and are contented with our little lot and I would never usually stand for anyone treating me like this but the onus is really on DH to assert himself (and us) because she's his mum. He has said that he isn't going to say anything to her whilst she is here because it would make the visit awkward and consequently she has treated us both like shit. But he told me that after she leaves he is going to write her a letter telling her how she makes him feel and saying that he doesn't want her to be part of his life or his son's life whilst she continues to act as she does. I know that this will just result in a lengthy reply from MIL full of really hurtful things. But I don't know what we could do other than this. Continue to allow her to treat us however she likes, put DH down constantly, ignore any of his achievements, barely conceal her dislike towards me and let this behaviour continue for our son as well as us? Or let DH send the letter which is going to cause WW3 and when I know that MIL would never accept that her behaviour is an issue anyway.

I'm really sorry that this post has been so long and probably doesn't make any sense, I would really appreciate any support in trying to make sense of this whole situation. I feel like DS's future relationship with MIL and other members of DH's family depends on what we do now, and although I feel that the right thing for DS would be to be surrounded by non toxic people, I'm prepared to be told otherwise.

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Bellstar · 12/04/2012 18:54

Op you have my deepest sympathy-I too suffer from a manipulative mil.

I have told this story on mn but will do so again-upon returning home after my 2nd c section-my dh announces he is having a bbqHmm. He then announces that he has bought a new bbq which he needs to build and he cannot be disturbedHmm

He had forgotten to buy formula!! wtf!! so I had to take 3 dcs to the shopping centre an HOUR after returning home from hospital!

Upon my return from shops dh is waiting on doorstep-I think he has realised what a huge arse he has been and is going to beg forgiveness-oh no-he informs me he has to go to the shops for bbq supplies and btw inlaws,sil and dns are on their way round!

So like you I had to entertain/host 6 people 5 days after giving birth-inlaws sat on their arse asking for repeated cups of coffee.

Yes he is still my dh-more fool meAngry

Tell your dh his mother will NOT be welcome again-do not take no for an answer or like me you will make a rod for your back....

pumpkinsweetie · 12/04/2012 20:56

BellStar- my goodness that sounds like a nightmare!!

crazyaccountant · 12/04/2012 23:22

OP firstly massive congrats on your new arrival!

Now, speaking from, sadly vast experience of a quite spectacular MIL this is what you must remember and repeat to yourself when you are tempted to write letters/ shout/ argue with people like her,
"YOU CANNOT REASON WITH UNREASONABLE PEOPLE"Wink

SirVixofVixHall · 12/04/2012 23:26

Oh she sounds so HORRIBLE. My Mil has a bitchy side but this makes mine sound like a saint. Honestly, sounds as though you'd all be better off without her, your poor DH Sad.

PamelaShipman · 13/04/2012 05:14

Spoke to DH's stepmum on the phone last night, she said that she feels that DH's brothers and mum are jealous of the life he has made for himself as he has always been their whipping boy and that the brothers have always been considered by themselves and MIL to be better than him and more successful but in reality it's DH who has settled and made a family and works hard. I definitely agree, as MIL appears to take any compliment aimed towards DH as a snub towards her other sons. I think she would rather that everything fell apart for DH and that he returned cap in hand and struggled on his own as he would be returned to his rightful place at the bottom of the pile.

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mathanxiety · 13/04/2012 05:31

So next time you have a baby you will know better, right?

For the big picture, ignore her as much as possible. Do not dwell on the way she treats you or your DH or spend time or energy wondering what she is thinking about you and your DH. Living well is the best and only revenge.

Disengage, disengage, disengage. She will only get to ruin your lives if you let her.

HillyWallaby · 13/04/2012 05:32

'Tall order' - They may have been in the loft, or under a million heavy boxes in the garage somewhere?

By the time I got back from making tea the presents were all opened' - That was your DH's fault, not hers. He should have waited for you.

Re: DH's two brothers not contacting you after the baby's birth - Again, did your DH not contact his brothers himself to let him know the babay was born? Did he just leave it for his mother to do and sit back and wait for them to come to him? I am thinking this is more an issue between your DH and his brothers than evidence that your MIL is toxic.

Again, DHs' brother didn't say 'Don't give them anything' he merely suggested children's savings bonds or similar, rather than giving cash, as in the long term savings a nice for a child to have. But I'm not sure why you are projecting that onto your MIL as a problem with her?

Hang on, battery running low - will have to respond to the rest later!

pumpkinsweetie · 13/04/2012 06:55

HillyWilliby you are missing the point a bit all though in do see what you are saying about DH.
The mil should be making the tea and helping out not sitting on her backside,
the op has just given birth so if the mil wanted to stay she should have helped out a bit like any mother/mil would.
My mil is awful but not in a million years has she ever made me make her tea and dinner shortly after given birth and if you read entire thread you would realise op has been spoken to very rudely also and not only that the mil hasnt got of the couch since being there and has expected maid service along the way

MumOfStan · 13/04/2012 07:05

Congrats on your baby, and don't let her spoil this precious time. I have been where you are, and, we let it carry on for some years after the initial weird and hurtful behaviour around the birth of my son, and our wedding a few months later. Nothing was said to her and she clearly felt it was fine to come and sit in our house, eat the hot meals I slaved over and make snarky comments and or completely ignore my son (her grandson). Then after a huge row with my DH during one of the most stressful periods of our married life, she walked out of our house and broke off all contact, to the extent of returning gifts sent at Christmas etc. My son is of course old enough now to wonder why his grandmother has suddenly disappeared, and my poor DH feels guilty, when all he's done is be a good, loyal son, and generous and patient with her over the years. So agree with brass who says cut your losses now. If anything our experience showed that she got more and more unpleasant as she aged, so I am afraid it is unlikely she will change for the better. Sad for you all, but family who set out to hurt and belittle you are not worth bothering with.

PamelaShipman · 13/04/2012 10:37

Hillwallaby the comments about DH's brothers are significant and not something I am projecting on to MIL because MIL makes a point of gushing over DH's brothers and taking no interest in DH. The brothers knew that DS had arrived and have chosen not to contact us, I think it was pretty insensitive of MIL to then tell us that one brother had told her not to give DS anything, she didn't have to repeat that. I do agree DH shouldn't have looked at the presents from other family members without me, but she had just got them out of the bag, they weren't wrapped presents. DH is getting a transfer in work to a better position for him, MIL's only response to this was that she didn't think he should as she would lose her discount that she would get at his place of work on the rare occasion that she does visit and no she wasn't joking!

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Miggsie · 13/04/2012 10:41

Read the "toxic parent" books, they are available on Amazon.

Looks like your DH is the "scapegoat child". My dad was in his family and my mum got all sorts of shit off her MIL for having a nice house and nothing she ever did was good enough and any fault displayed by us children meant my mum was a "bad mother".

I'd cut them out of my life, I wish my parents had done that to my granny, she was a horrible grandmother, used to tell me how crap my mum and dad were. Just the thing a 5 year old needs to hear.

PamelaShipman · 13/04/2012 11:19

Ha miggsie I already have the toxic parents and toxic in laws books! I got them after her behaviour over our wedding which is another looong story.

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mathanxiety · 13/04/2012 21:32

Pamela, you are going to have to train her if you want her to treat you better.

It's not your fault that she behaved so selfishly when she visited, but in future you are going to have to be assertive. It is one thing to (correctly) identify her toxicity but it is another altogether to sit down yourself and simply not make the tea or cook lunch or dinner, just sit there, smile, and tell her to fend for herself. It's another thing again to stop dwelling on it and live your life as if she was some sort of minor irritation, more of a fly buzzing through from time to time than a wasps' nest in your kitchen cabinet.

You can't normally change anyone but yourself; trying to work on her will be futile. Examine what you could have done differently and make a plan for yourself in time for the next encounter. again, what she does is not your fault and she should be a far nicer person, but you are the only one you can change here.

Finallygotaroundtoit · 13/04/2012 21:57

I agree that the problem seems to be that your DH is refusing to play the weird family dynamic that he is a scapegoat Sad

You cannot fix it/them but you do not have to be sucked in. Disengage. Expect nothing from MIL and limit her contact and visits as advised

DH's plan to 'suck it up' and then write her a long hurt letter will never work (and is IMO unhealthy) but he is a new dad and cannot be expected to change the dynamic now.

Good luck - enjoy your new family

RandomMess · 13/04/2012 22:10

Sounds like step-MIL will happily fill the role of doting grandma - let her and enjoy having someone in your lives who wants to be.

Good for your dh that he isn't willing to be the whipping boy anymore just let MIL sulk, and get on with your lives without her.

PamelaShipman · 16/04/2012 20:52

Update:

MIL has sent me a text message today requesting that I 'send a picture each week of DS'. Didn't ask after DS or anything though...

She has also asked me to send her some pictures of our wedding which she didn't attend as she would 'hate to cut a picture out of the photo album you sent me' - yes, I would hate that too. It was bloody expensive and she didn't deserve it anyway, she couldn't be arsed actually coming to the wedding and taking her own pictures.

I don't know how to respond to this message at all. I know what I would like to say.

I have noticed that on her facebook profile (I know, sorry) she has posted that picture of her with DS and has commented about how lovely it was to see her grandson etc to which lots of her facebook friends have cooed and said how much she suits being a grandmother. How strange.

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DairyNips · 16/04/2012 21:02

If she's anything like my toxic mother she just wants the pics to look like the perfect granny to all her friends without actually being so.

It's up to you what you send at the end of the day.

clam · 16/04/2012 21:10

I would ignore the text for a good few days, while I worked out what to respond.

clam · 16/04/2012 21:11

How about something along the lines of "am happy to send any appropriate photos of us ds as and when we take them. Can't promise every week though."

piprabbit · 16/04/2012 21:13

I'd pass the text on to your DH and ask him to handle it. She is, after all, his mother.

pointythings · 16/04/2012 21:16

Your MIL is a narcissist, your DH is the scapegoat, his brothers are golden children and nothing will ever change. You can only try to live with her or go no contact.

Your stepMIL sounds a much nicer person, cultivate her. You and your DH need to set boundaries for your MIL and stick to them - this means him sticking up for you and you doing the same for him.

You can start by telling your MIL politely that of course you will send photos as and when they become available but that they will not be taken on a schedule as you have other priorities. Delayed response sounds like a good tactic.

CarpeJugulum · 16/04/2012 21:26

How about posting weekly photos on Facebook - then she can see them whenever she wants - and if you tag her, all her friends can see too.

And then, have lots of pictures of your DS doing fun things with lots of people - but not her.

hmc · 16/04/2012 21:27

The MIL doesn't sound toxic to me - just a bit thoughtless, which isn't the same thing. Why didn't you try asking her to help you out a bit with the household tasks rather than silently simmering with resentment? Tbh I felt a teeny bit sorry for your MIL when reading your op - you seem fixated on analysing her every move for possible offence. Taking your first two examples - quite honestly I wouldn't be happy to part with more than one or two photos of my child either when they are all grown up (I expect to treasure those baby photos)....and the present opening? - hardly crime of the century. I wouldn't want to be your MIL walking on egg shells all the time! I am sure she has her faults and plenty of them - but, I think you are somewhat zealous in your fault finding

pointythings · 16/04/2012 21:46

hmc are you the OP's MIL? Shock

hmc · 16/04/2012 21:47

No, thank God