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I wish I knew what to do for the best (v long)

21 replies

PerUnaBomber · 11/04/2012 18:23

Though I think I know already. My P has a huge problem with alcohol and it has been increasingly getting worse since the birth of our DS almost 2 years ago. I knew he was a big drinker when we got together, but I had no idea he would continue to drink very heavily and behave irresponsibly after DS was born - silly me, I thought the manchild would grow up.

The number and extent of incidents is just too great to detail here - it includes a physical attack on me whilst holding a weeks-old DS (arrested and cautioned, I should have left at that point but was terrified at the prospect of being on my own with a 4mo baby). He is unable to leave a container of alcohol untouched and frequently will take a day off work due to his hangover (usually making some excuse about me needing him to be at home for some reason, always a lie) as once he starts on a bender, he will walk to the late night offie and get more beer/wine.

There is a sense of entitlement and resentment from him that I have felt since I finished maternity leave and did not return to work (we moved away from where I worked, so it would have been impossible) - despite the fact that I was propping up our finances from my own savings and paid for 90% of the purchase and refurbishment of the house we bought. I stopped topping up the joint account / paying the food shopping from my savings back in October last year - I showed him where his trips to the offie for booze and fags were amounting to more than our monthly food budget and things did ease for a while, however there has been a gradual return to form over recent months, culminating in this weekend's 6-day bender which forced me to sleep on the floor of DS' room as P had staggered in there at 3am, turned the lights on and attempted to urinate, thinking it was the bathroom. This is passed off the next day as "sleepwalking" and me picking on him for something he has no control over.

FIL is a systemic drinker - cracks the shandy at noon, moves on to G&T at 5pm and spends the post-dinner hours holed up in his study with cans of beer or a bottle of wine, so P thinks his own behaviour is totally acceptable, as he's not drinking every night (prob 4-5 nights a week) and has a long commute/quite high pressured job in professional services.

We moved away from the city where I had spent the previous 11 years working and where most of my friends are to live in the town he is from - I have only made a handful of separate friends, all through DS and none of whom I see on a purely social basis - it's all just playdates. I have been out without my P once in the evening since DS was born almost 2 years ago. We have not been out as a couple since July. We sleep in separate beds, have not had sex in months as I am terrified of getting pregnant again (irrational).

He frequently tells me I am disliked by his family and friends (I barely speak to his parents after their reaction to his physical attack on me), that my own friends don't like me and that I am an unpleasant person. Luckily I have rock solid self esteem (except where it comes to leaving him, for some reason - am I lazy/frightened?) and this washes over me. He frequently - particularly when hungover - verbally abuses me, calling me a cunt etc in front of DS and ignoring my requests for him to stop arguing and to engage with DS / let me engage with DS instead of constantly shouting at me.

I spoke to a solicitor a few months ago who advised me that I can in fact take my DS and move either back to the city I was living in, or up North to my family without P being able to object, as long as I put a good amount of contact in place. I have been offered an excellent job here in the town we live in, but TBH, if I am going to work FT, I would rather earn less money and be close to my family. I just need to grow a pair, get the house on the market (I will take a huge hit on it as the improvements I paid for which have increased the value were not taken into account when we drew up the tenancy in common, but as the solicitor said, what's more precious, the house or having my son with me?)

My options feel as follows: try getting counselling / take the well-paid job and get myself into a better financial position before leaving in a couple of years / take the job and move out locally / just move back home with no job to go to.

Sorry it's so long, I've been thinking about posting for about a year now, burying my head in the sand and hoping things would change. Time to make a decision.

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neuroticmumof3 · 11/04/2012 18:29

You need to get out of this relationship and it sounds as if you know that. Trust your instincts and leave. Go back to be near your family and take all the support you can get. This relationship is abusive and toxic and it doesn't sound as though things are likely to change for the better. You need to protect yourself and DS from this alcoholic and abusive P. You can manage without him, you sound like an extremely intelligent and capable woman. Things will actually be easier without him.

PurplePidjin · 11/04/2012 18:30

Go now, lessen the impact on your ds.

AThingInYourLife · 11/04/2012 18:34

Go home and rebuild from there.

PerUnaBomber · 11/04/2012 18:50

Thanks, I need a kick up the arse (in fact that was my original thread title!). It's funny how much I have tolerated when I look at it written down. My mum stayed with my alcoholic dad (who shares many other unfortunate traits with my P) until I and my brother were adults, so perhaps some of the tolerance I observed in her has worn off on me. She waited until she had my lovely stepdad to save her, but I think I need to save myself and DS on my own.

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ImperialBlether · 11/04/2012 19:06

OP, he's really awful. Where would you like to live with your son? If you move away, the sense of relief will be tremendous. You will look and feel 10 years younger immediately. You must feel like you're walking on eggshells the whole time.

I think you could do something about the amount of equity you'd get from the sale of your house, you know, if you can prove you paid that money for the work. It might be worth speaking to another solicitor about that.

In any case, you are losing your life to this man. You will never be this young again and you deserve to have a relaxed family home, not this awful man making you feel stressed and ill.

PerUnaBomber · 11/04/2012 19:24

ImperialBlether, that is a reassuring thought. If I could get out what I put in, as well as my share of the increase in equity/value, I could afford to buy a house outright near my family. I think I want to move home more than take the job here, I should be able to stay with my mum or my brother or at my gran's until I get sorted.

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PurplePidjin · 11/04/2012 20:06

Do you want to turn into your mother? Do you want ds to turn into his father and grandfather? You already know what to do, and there's a whole bunch of folk here cheering you on Wine

NotTheMamma · 11/04/2012 20:13

Well done, PerUna, you've reached a decision, which is by far the hardest bit. Looks like going home to your family is what you most want to do, so do that. Makes good sense, and is probably the quickest route out as well.

In a very similar position to you, many years ago, I left but didn't go to my family, out of some sense of stubborn pride, I think. It would have been altogether simpler, and my children and I would have been far better supported through the transition, if I had gone home first for a bit of rest and recovery.

You and your boy will be just grand Smile

ImperialBlether · 11/04/2012 20:54

Do a deal. You get enough to buy a house outright and you won't ask for any maintenance. You can work to support both of you and you won't have any nasty conversations with him about money.

And actually you're doing him a huge favour as you could get half the equity, the money you put in AND maintenance. Or you could tell him that, anyway! He's an alcoholic - the chance of you getting maintenance is very slim - he'll more than likely lose his job at some point so you'd get nothing then. Work out what you need and tell him you're visiting your mum's. From there, tell him you are leaving him and what the deal is. You could even pack up when he's out and leave a note. He doesn't actually deserve more than a note.

PerUnaBomber · 11/04/2012 21:57

Can you read my mind, ImperialBlether?! I was planning on doing the same when P is away next month. Mum is worried that my PiL will kick up a fuss legally re access but really I know I am in a strong position WRT the arrest and the fact I have been SAHM (alone from 6.40am - 8pm every weekday). Though I have no idea how hard it will be to get a job, I think your idea of compromise is a good one and if possible, will take some of the stress out of moving home.

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ImperialBlether · 12/04/2012 00:08

There's no way he'll have more than contact rights. No way will he be given 50-50 with the baby. Arrested for violence against his wife who's holding a newborn baby? An alcoholic? No way.

And what's it got to do with your PIL? Do you mean they will want him to have 50-50 rights? Do they know he was arrested for assaulting you?

Just re-read your initial post. You're considering counselling, staying a couple of years then leaving? Noooooooooooo don't do that. Think about it - your baby will be 2 by then - your husband will be more determined - your baby will have noticed the bad feeling and the (inevitable) violence.

Do exactly what you were planning re leaving. Start to gather things together - clear out cupboards, that sort of thing. It's spring - do some spring cleaning so that when it's time to go you can load up a van or car and get the hell out of there. Be very careful in the meantime, though - if he suspects, there will be repercussions.

AnyFucker · 12/04/2012 00:11

Go, go, go

before all this starts impacting on your baby

it sounds like you are in a better position than many to figure out the logistics

go, and save yourself and your son

solidgoldbrass · 12/04/2012 00:35

Thing is, abusive alcoholics get worse. OK, sometimes the lightning does strike and the alcoholic reaches the point of his own volition where he is going to get sober and stay sober, but no alcoholic successfully stops drinking because a partner/friend/relative wants the alcoholic to stop. No matter how much anyone cries or begs or threatens, the alcoholic will continue to drink until the alcoholic him/herself has had enough. And some never do.

So now you need to prioritize yourself and DC, move back to the family home, allow contact but make sure it's supervised contact (an active alcoholic who has a record of violence towards you will not be awarded unsupervised contact, and you will be able to refuse contact if he turns up pissed without any sanctions against you). You don't need to be the one doing the supervising.
Best of luck. THings will get better when you';re rid of him. There is always the possibility that in the future he will decide to get sober and then you can rebuild at least a friendly co-parent relationship with him, but right now you need to get away from him.

blowcushion · 12/04/2012 00:43

OP You already know what to do! MNers are supporting you.

Good luck!

PerUnaBomber · 12/04/2012 08:49

Thanks to you all. In a large way, just writing it down in one place (my mum has an email folder which documents individual incidents as i send them, then delete them) has really opened my eyes. My son is almost 2 and he definitely knows when his father is having a squeal at me - he will either come close to me or else run round screaming to match his father's yells. Not how I want him to grow up, as even my own dad never loudly verbally abused my mum in front of us.

Spring cleaning is a great idea - i will see if my mum can come over when P is away next month to help me pack (everything bar his clothes and some ikea furniture his parents paid for is mine in the house contents) and get movers and a storage unit sorted out up near her. My dad has a property he inherited from my nan which he is about to do up to rent out, so I will speak to him about DS and me moving in there, if possible.

Only my mum, stepdad and brother know about anything thy has happened, telling my dad without provoking WW3 is a bridge we can cross next month.

Thank you all so much for your support and advice, this is such an incredible resource for people wanting some reassurance that there is a way out of a bad situation.

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AnyFucker · 12/04/2012 11:07

all the best x

lolaflores · 12/04/2012 17:46

all the best from here as well. you will look back and feel only gratitude to yourself in the future and so will your child in the fullness of time. It is time to get the head down and the arse up and haul yourself out of that place. No patience or forgiveness will make the slightest dent on an alcoholics desire to drink to oblivion and take down any poor souls in his gravity. Sad but true, and it sounds as well as if your family are waiting with open arms, the right basis for the future you are going to build for yourself.
Very proud of you and your clarity
x
L

ImperialBlether · 12/04/2012 18:16

What's the situation with housing benefits if you rent off a relative, does anyone know? Just wondered in case the OP needed to claim HB for a while whilst she adjusts to her new life.

OP, I've just reread your opening post. He really is an awful man.

PerUnaBomber · 14/04/2012 01:42

Thanks for thinkig of me, ImperialBlether. It's a very interesting question as am very fortunate that my parents are very generous and feel that their money is better given to my brother and me when we need it and not when they have passed away. So I would feel very uncomfortable taking benefits and living rent free for the time it takes between moving home and the house being sold down here. I appreciate your thoughts. My P clearly knows something is up as he has not gotten drunk since Sunday night and has been walking o eggshells around me. He may be reading this thread as I think he has seen me entering my passcode into the iPhone. Quite frankly, I don't care and he probably knows that too.

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nameswapped · 14/04/2012 08:18

oh peruna your OP sounds exactly where I was at around 15yrs ago,please read my thread "I've taken DH back AGAIN and now it's all going wrong".

Countless other things have happened since then have happened,related to
his alcoholism , with police involvement on several occassions. Please stay strong and leave him , you are lucky you have the support of your family. If you stay you will probably be in the situation I am in now 12yrs later, or worse. Stay strong like I never could x

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 14/04/2012 08:24

Well done - I am so pleased you are doing this.

NastyBastard - if you are reading this, tell her now and let them go now. It's the very least you could do.

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