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Help! How long should I wait for PND to lift? (A dad asks).

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dadoftwinboys · 09/04/2012 14:53

Hello. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated. If this bare-bones precis is enough to base advice upon.

We met via the internet in 2008, both childless and neither of us had ever married. Now 54, I am a dozen years older than X. By early 2010 we might have been in the last-chance saloon, but we got engaged and debated IVF; by late 2010 we had wonderful, healthy, twin sons - without IVF. The fairy story didn't last long. We have not so much as kissed since the day of the births; my periodic requests for celebratory hugs were always rebuffed. After six months I was ordered to move out; I was described as 'the anti-christ of partners' and assaulted both verbally and physically. I went to Relate but they said they could only help if X attended. Reading this, you have no way of knowing if perhaps I am indeed the worst imaginable partner; by way of character witnesses I can offer up my two previous ex-es, covering 20 years of my life, both of whom remain friends and who are appalled/astonished at what has happened.

I doubt that I was perfection personified, but I took the full fortnight of paternity leave and after that I handled most of the chores. X didn't shop, cook, or wash up. We also had a cleaner and ironer. I helped with feeds, nappies etc in the night. I did go away for two nights a week on business but that was less than previously, and unavoidable. However, X's mother is local and always helped out, usually staying overnight.

It might sound like a textbook case of PND (I have enough cute notes and cards to remind me that we remained in love right up to the births), but the Health Visitor and GP say X is fine. She has returned to work two days a week and appears to be enjoying it. Incidentally it is probably relevant that X's mother never liked me. She is the matriarch of a large, close, family. A woman who married in (but is now out) has told me how hard the mother makes it for outsiders.

I had moved 200 miles to be with X and have no friends or family in this area so it's a little lonely. I see the boys for nearly two hours each evening but have never been allowed even to take them for a walk; I can only see them in X's front room. I've only been present at bath time twice in eight months; X prefers to bath them alone or with her mother (and no, I've never dropped them!).

The $64,000 question - when do I give up hoping that X will return to her old self? X has her family to help when she takes the boys away, or out for the day; I feel I would need a partner to make it work well and safely, and I'd like to create a happy family home for the boys to visit, assuming X ever allows it. I don't want to write off the relationship prematurely but it's over a year since I became despised/hated, and who am I, a lone voice, to argue with the professionals who say that X is not depressed?

Thanks for reading this. P.

OP posts:
Houseofplain · 09/04/2012 14:57

Maybe she isn't depressed. Maybe all the before was an act. Until she got her babies.

Conflugenglugen · 09/04/2012 15:06

My sense is that Houseofplain might have a very valid point. It doesn't feel to me like things are going to change. I'm so sorry.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 09/04/2012 15:12

I think the colloquial term is 'sperm thief'... sorry. May not have been quite as scheming as that but it sounds like you served a purpose and you're now surplus to requirements.

JustHecate · 09/04/2012 15:22

I think you should give up now.

You don't need a partner in order to be a father to your children.

The relationship is clearly over, for whatever reason. I think you have to accept it. It's been a year! I know it's painful, but she doesn't want to be with you. As hurtful and bewildering as that is, given your belief that the two of you were in love - she has the right to not want to be with you and you have to accept that, and not try to deny it by telling yourself she's depressed and if only she wasn't - she'd want you again.

I feel sorry for you, because it's no doubt less painful to convince yourself that depression has made her reject you, rather than a rejection from her - iyswim.

I think you have to focus on your children. Be a good father. Pay for them, spend time with them, work on having a brilliant relationship with them.

If she tries to deny you that - then you may have to go down the court route, but hopefully it won't come to that.

But please - "I feel I would need a partner to make it work well and safely" you say - do not feel that you can only be their father if you have a woman in your life. That's foolish and you will lose two precious people if you go down that road.

dadoftwinboys · 09/04/2012 22:51

Thank you for the prompt and unanimous replies. You certainly echo the views of my friends who have not met X; the ones who have met her are less convinced, but most would on balance vote with you guys.

Yes, I am probably guilty of clinging to false hope. Like Chamberlain with his piece of paper I have been clinging to a Valentine?s message this year. It was the most heartfelt, carefully constructed, and touching Valentine I have ever received. Coming seven weeks after the births, it blended apologies for behaviour since that day, with messages of love and hope for the future. But - as I see it - the initial gentle mist of PN Blues became a thick fog of PND by late March. Or, as you see it, the pretence was finally over.

I'll work on my self-confidence in terms of being able to handle the boys on my own for trips out etc. You?re right, I shouldn?t need someone for that, perhaps just tips from single dads!

Thanks again. Time to move on and focus just on the boys.

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Conflugenglugen · 10/04/2012 08:13

Sending you a big unMNetty hug, dadoftwinboys. You will do fine, and there will be a point where you move on and life will start again.

ike1 · 10/04/2012 08:41

Yep dont be steam rollered, only allowed to see them in the front room indeed! My ex is taking the kids on hols to Spain for a week wth the woman he had an affair. And so he should! Its time she let you be a dad.

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