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Escaping from emotionally abusive relationship: practicalities etc

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detachedandlonely · 12/03/2012 11:31

Sorry, this turned into a bit of a rant.

Since I first got together with P nine years ago I've known that he is a controlling and manipulative person and we split for a couple of years because of it. I was in love with him when we got back together, and we had DS, and once I was pregnant he gradually became more hostile and critical and less loving. He had a precise idea of how we were to live our lives, i.e. how I was to live mine in a way that suited him, which involved me living in his house in the mountains miles away from London with the DCs while working for his company, while he lived and worked predominantly in London and arrived back to an idyllic 1950s setup in the country at weekends. When I got pregnant with DD his hostility increased. Every few months he'd suddenly descend into a sulk and barely speak to me and then, when it was late and I was tired, come in and start a row in which everything I said was denied or reframed as wrong, a lie or irrelevant. I knew that I needed to escape from the relationship and bit my tongue and waited. I was 26 when I had DS and hadn't really launched a proper career, so have been dependent on his company for work - there's nothing else to do round here.

At the weekend we had another of his quarterly scheduled rows. for the last 18 months I have made the decision to act as if everything is OK while I sort my life out, apply for jobs and get myself financially independent. I am no longer in love with him. I went along with everything he said, and was crying out of frustration while he yelled at me for not wanting sex when pregnant and daring to say that I am unhappy in a crap relationship cut off from friends and family.

What particularly disturbed me this time what that I would say something and he would claim not to have heard it and shout at me for not speaking. We are a foot apart from each other in the same room. I am speaking loudly and clearly. There is nothing wrong with his hearing as far as I'm aware. He's 58 but physically a lot younger. Whether he is so caught up in his warped version of events that he genuinely can't hear what I'm saying, or is trying to mindgame me into thinking I'm going mad, this is a new thing and I don't like it. Having previously thought that he is very difficult and that I will need to leave eventually for the sake of my sanity, I now feel that he is emotionally abusive in a way that is too problematic to stay with for much longer.

I don't want to be a burden on my mum and dad because I love them and we have a good relationship and for various reasons being dependent on them, even in the short term, with undermine the good relationship we have. I can't rely on P providing anything because he'll be angry and will feel that I've screwed him over. He's very well off but has his own companies and a clever accountant and will be able to hide most of his assets. I don't want to depend on him anyway. Needless to say we are not married because marriage is just a way of greedy evil women getting their grubby paws on men's hard-earned cash.

However, this means moving back to London with 2 DCs. DS is about to start school here in September. Getting him a place at a decent primary school in London will take ages. I can't afford to buy property near my parents, and definitely not in the area we live in. DD is too young for me to work full-time, and I wouldn't be able to afford childcare for her anyway. I considered leaving P and buying property here, but would still need work and the jobs situation is dire. Besides, I have no close friends or family here.

I really need advice on a decent exit strategy. I need someone to tell me that it is going to be OK, and that it is OK to leave P and that my children don't need a father who's an asshole so much that I have to stay with him forever. Does anyone have similar experience of this? What did you do? How did you do it?

I've namechanged for this BTW. Thanks very much in advance x

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foolonthehill · 12/03/2012 11:51

Sorry, this turned into a bit of a rant....that is fine, I think you have been bottling this up and being "sensible" for a long time!

he is a controlling and manipulative person yes, he is

once I was pregnant he gradually became more hostile and critical and less loving.When I got pregnant with DD his hostility increased. classic abusive behaviour
row in which everything I said was denied or reframed as wrong, a lie or irrelevant. Gaslighting, more abusive behaviour

I have made the decision to act as if everything is OK while I sort my life out very wise, but he will probably suss this as he will be watching you carefully. Don't wait around too long.

I am no longer in love with him. hooray!!!!!

What particularly disturbed me this time what that I would say something and he would claim not to have heard it and shout at me for not speaking More gaslighting...infamous abusive behaviour.

eventually for the sake of my sanity, I now feel that he is emotionally abusive in a way that is too problematic to stay with for much longer. ABSOLUTELY!!!

You are not mad,
He is an abusive bully
You can and will be able to survive on your own with your DCs
You should be VERY careful about how you exit
I have been there, it is hard, but you will be able to do it.

If you are able to then at least tell your parents a little and accept a little help from them...little bits of help are as valuable as big ones...they all mount up. (even a break over the Easter time might give you space to have a look around.

Suggest you read the links here to reinforce your resolve.

Phone Aid, they will help you plan a safe exit strategy.

Find a good local lawyer from the family law website Resolution, many will give a first consultation free. This will help with planning. Local Women's Aid will also have a list of good, helpful law firms.

Gather information as you are able, (financial etc.) to help in the future.

Put all your important docs, and Dcs docs in a plan folder and hide it with an escape bag somewhere safe (??a friends/the car?).

Sort out one thing at a time, September is a long way away, you can cross the schools bridge as and when you need.....

Make sure you stay safe...violence is common as women plan to leave. Try to cover your tracks especially on-line.

Keep posting!

foolonthehill · 12/03/2012 11:54

By the way...your children certainly don't need to grow up thinking that abusive bullying is the way to treat their nearest and dearest, or to be bullied in this way themselves. You deserve better too.

Darleneconnor · 12/03/2012 11:59

Can you move somewhere cheaper than London? Being close to family and friends when you move will make it much easier.

detachedandlonely · 12/03/2012 12:14

Thanks so much for replying, it makes me feel a lot less mad and lonely. I feel like I'm exaggerating when I tell friends about the bad bits of our relationship because it follows the patterns of him being really nice to everyone after a row. I will look up those legal links, thank you.

Moving somewhere cheaper: being close to family and friends means London or Kent. I could try north Kent, I suppose. But it's still so expensive. When I go back I'm amazed that so many single families cope. That's going to be me...

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foolonthehill · 12/03/2012 12:20

Yes, but we do cope!!!

The being nice is an act, it's how you fell in love with him...but it is just that, an act. He will do it just enough to keep you hooked. I think it is blessing that he works away...it has given you enough head space to see what is going on.

Some lone parents in expensive areas arrange house-shares.

Investigate the benefits system too as you are parent of DC under school age you will be eligible for a lot even if you don't immediately find work.

Mad is the way they like to keep us!

CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/03/2012 12:26

"I need someone to tell me that it is going to be OK,"

It is going to be OK once you get out from under the bullying. Children are small, not stupid. If they grow up in an abusive atmosphere it colours their sense of self, their happiness and their attitude to their own relationships in time. Once you are away from his influence you will wonder what kept you there so long. Start getting some cash around you. The details will work themselves out in time

As for your parents. Ask yourself, if one of your children was in trouble how big a chunk of heaven and earth would you move to get them back on their feet?

detachedandlonely · 12/03/2012 12:37

I find the prospect of telling my parents about this terrifying. They're part of a generation that didn't divorce, or at least their circle of friends hasn't, and are all stuck in unhappy marriages, so they have this stoic relationship ethic which is very anti-splitting up. "What about the children's need for a father?" etc.

However, they are amazingly supportive parents and I know I can rely on them, I just feel that I've been a crap daughter and have failed to be a grown-up and make good decisions in lots of ways, and don't want them staying up all night worrying, which they are prone to do.

House-share idea is interesting. One of the things I've learned from this is not to depend on a relationship for friendship and human contact, and am interested in setting up co-housing.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/03/2012 12:45

Just be very honest with your parents and try to set a few boundaries from the outset. e.g. You've made a bad choice of partner, his behaviour was intolerable, you need their help & support, you don't want to go into details, you're happy with your decision but you're not ready to hear any 'we told you so's' or 'children need a father' ideas.

You can't stop parents worrying... it's what we do :)

foolonthehill · 12/03/2012 13:49

being a crap daughter...I doubt it, unless you've robbed the family savings and run off with the butler!!!.

making bad decisions comes with making any decisions at all whatever age we are....we are not born all-knowing. Realising the decisions are bad and trying to fix/help/backtrack and make better ones is what makes us grown-up, not just soldiering on.

Imagine you are them...would you not do anything to help your lovely DCs. Bet that's how they feel about you!

detachedandlonely · 12/03/2012 14:09

Thanks so much for the reassurance - I sort of know that you're right but still feel sick thinking about the effect it'll have on them.

I've just emailed a family lawyer recommended on Resolution, so will hopefully see her within the week, and am applying for jobs back home.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/03/2012 16:18

I'm sure your parents have seen worse. When my own marriage broke up I think DM was very happy I'd got rid of the ex (who she had never liked) and her only concern was that I'd 'do something silly' (her euphemism for suicide). Once I'd reassured her that wasn't about to happen and once we'd agreed that I didn't want to discuss the matter, she was positively cheerful at being a useful mother again. Loves a crisis.

detachedandlonely · 12/03/2012 17:23

I can introduce the idea that things aren't going well when I go to visit them with the DCs in 2 weeks. If I'm reasonably sorted with a plan it should allay the freakout a bit. DM is not the type to agree not to discuss something, though!

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foolonthehill · 12/03/2012 21:51

go for it! (love a plan)

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