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Name for S-MIL

22 replies

lizzywig · 07/03/2012 20:45

DH's parents got divorced when he was about 3 and his sister was 1, his Dad had been having an affair (and a child) behind their mums back with her best friend. Their father was pretty much MIA most of their lives and as they've got older never really made any more effort, probably only seeing them a handful of times each year if that. He married the woman that he had the affair with and they now have three children. Three years ago DH & SIL's mum died, tragically and suddenly. She'd had mental health issues and she walked out of a secure facility, got lost and sadly drowned. She was truely a very wonderful person and had such a special and close relationship with DH and SIL, they really were the best of friends.

Now DH and I have 17wo DD and she has two sets of grandparents. My parents are Nana and Grandad, they see her usually about once a fortnight sometimes more and they dote on her, play with her and are such proud grandparents. It's just as it should be. So then there's DH's dad and wife, they saw DD 4 days after she was born, then radio silence. Even at Christmas nothing, apart from when DH called him but there was no card, no nothing for DD. This is until a week ago. DH went out for a drink with his Uncle and basically told him everything about how rubbish his Dad was being and his Uncle put his brother (DH's Dad) into line. DH just can't confront his dad about it, he's tried making the effort (honestly he'd call him a couple of times a week but always got voicemail/excuses/not in/I'll call you back) but confronting him is just so hard and he doesn't know how to approach it. So we met his Dad and wife last weekend and they gave DD her christmas present which she loves.

Here is the problem, before DD was born we asked everyone what they wanted to be called, my parents eagerly said Nana and Grandad. I should just add that I had just one grandmother growing up as the rest died before I was born so my parents were incredibly excited about it all. DH's dad predictably took ages deciding but then said they wanted to be called Nana and Tider (Tider is the welsh name for Grandad), we were quite taken aback as we hadn't thought she would be called anything. This is what DH's grandparents (his dad's parents) were called, so he said he wanted to stick with tradition. We didn't really know what to say so didn't say anything. As they were never really around we kind of thought it wouldn't be a problem but now that they are showing some effort (we've booked in another date to meet up) it will be an issue.

Seveal reasons this is a problem 1) DH does not really like the wife and feels that by giving her a name it's going against his mum's memory. We have decided to give his mum a name (Granny) as she flipping deserved it, she would have been a wonderful Granny. 2) My mum is called Nana and we don't want two Nana's, we wanted everyone to have their own name but also want to keep it simple for DD. When we were there last weekend DH's Nana (just to confuse you!) said to DD "go on go to Nana", now at her age she won't know but one day she will.

The bottom line is that we don't want her to be called Nana but don't know how to tell them. Maybe we're being selfish, I don't know, but it doesn't feel like it. We do care how they feel, obviously I wouldn't be posting this otherwise. I've talked to a few people who have step parents and children and it seems that the norm is to call them by a grandparent type name followed by their real name so we were thinking of Nanny Julie as a compromise.

Do you think this is a good compromise? Are we being too horrible? Any ideas on how to tell them?

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pictish · 07/03/2012 20:49

Hmmm...my fil's wife is the woman fil left his wife (mil) for.
She is 'Grandma'.

You can be all angsty about it if you like, but to my mind, the kids can't have too many grandparents.

pepperrabbit · 07/03/2012 20:52

I have a similar situation, SMil is Nana, DM is Nanny and MIL is evil Granny.
This works well, we have Big Grandad and Little Grandad (just the 2 of them thank goodness!)
They get called grandad to their faces, both know of their nicknames, and the DCs know who we are all talking about.
Or the NanaSMIL / NanaDM is equally suitable - I'm sure you can expalin that it's to make it simpler for the DCs rather than your (cpmletely understandable) feelings?

lizzywig · 07/03/2012 20:53

And I agree BUT what we're trying to decide is what to call her and how to tell them that it won't be Nana...

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lizzywig · 07/03/2012 20:56

Comment was to pictish.

pepperrabbit - interesting that your children make sense of it all. I spoke to a friend who's children also understand it and it's all normal and a work colleage who says it's a right old mess.

We just want to establish it now so that everyone cam just get on with being grandparents and we can not have to think about this again.

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pictish · 07/03/2012 20:57

Just tell them that Nana is already taken.

ginmakesitallok · 07/03/2012 21:00

What your kids call her reflects their relationship with her - not your DHs relationship with her. I think you are making much too big a deal of this - children will understand and make sense of things - why not just have Nanax and NanaY??

deste · 07/03/2012 21:00

Ask her if she minds being called Nannie to avoid confusing the baby.

silvereyes · 07/03/2012 21:01

I am in a similar situation, all my fathers gc call him Grandpa, and they all call his wife who he has been with for nearly 20 years, her Christian name. I have 3 sisters, our mum is still with us, fathers wife who he left mum for. We do all get on with her, she has looked after my farther during serious illness, and she seems comfortable with just her name rather than a title.

pepperrabbit · 07/03/2012 21:01

Oh yes, the kids just get on with it, though twas an interesting day when DS2 asked Granny (MIL) if she'd ever met Big grandad (FIL). SMILs face was a picture.
There is a slight "never the twain shall meet" issue with SMIL & MIL, especially since SMIL has now clocked up 20 yrs with FIL, which is longer than he was with MIL.....
The pettiness doesn't go Hmm

Eglu · 07/03/2012 21:02

The problem was you asked the mwhatthey wanted to be called. You should have just started calling her by her name to your DC if that is what you wanted.

lizzywig · 08/03/2012 08:47

Actually we didn't. We asked my parents what they wanted to be called and DH asked his Dad.

I do agree with ginmakesitallok, I do think we probably making a big deal over this but for DH it is a big issue and I am unfortunately a people pleaser (old habits die hard) and I don't want to upset anyone. I think the issue for DH is her having a name at all (lets face it he doesn't like her because she's spent years trying to keep his Dad from him) but for me the issue is more how to approach it.

So thank you for your input, it's given me some food for thought.

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NewYearsDaysie · 08/03/2012 10:02

Just sticking in my two pennerthworth... When I was little I had a great granda..I was so tiny I couldn't say great granda .. he ended up being called what I could say which was 'pop pop'. Could you maybe call smil a name you choose round your DD, she'll end up calling her that and if you say it round her you can say that you've got used to saying it cos its how DD refers to her therefore you use it so DD knows who you mean? phew..if you understand that..well done!

ChitChatFlyingby · 08/03/2012 10:09

Can you choose either 'nanna' or 'grandma' followed by her actual name? (Cause I'm not sure of many other alternatives, unless 'granny'?) It's what my nieces/nephews did with their great grandparents to differentiate. The noname granny/nanna are the 'real' ones, as it were.

RabidEchidna · 08/03/2012 10:09

What is Welsh for Granny? Could that be used?

2rebecca · 08/03/2012 11:35

I grew up with 2 nannas, both called nanna surname to avoid confusion. My kids' grandparents are called nanna and granny, their choice, would have been happy with granny or nanna x and y again if both chose the same name.
Although your husband's stepmother isn't a blood grandparent if she has been with his dad since he was 3 and has been a grandparent since your daughter was born I don't really see what the fact that she isn't your husband's biological mother has to do with the name she is called.
I would hope my kids will allow their kids to call both their father and my current husband grandad.
I suspect I won't be allowed granny or nanna to my stepkids children as they have a history of calling step parent grannies by their first name.
It does all seem very petty to me. I also think people are harder on female step-parents than male ones in this respect.
I think this is really your husband's problem to sort it out, if he feels it needs sorting out. He may be happy to have both of them as granny. My kids grew up with 2 grandads. If this is the biggest problem you have at the moment you are doing OK. Don't turn this into a divisive issue.

lynniep · 08/03/2012 11:49

Honestly I think 'nana Julie' would be fine. But suggest nanny if you want to - I cant see how that will offend. The kids will understand the distinction and whilst I understand that there are deeper issues going on here, ie your DHs resentment for his philandering MIA father and his 'bit on the side' (but lets remember they did marry and have children, so however it started, it wasnt an act taken lightly) it really shouldnt be their issue - just try to make it easy for them.

If he goes MIA again, they probably wont notice that much either. (Take it from one who knows, my 'D'M has been MIA since DS1 was 1 - that was 4 years ago - and she wasnt part of my life growing up) I took her photo down a year ago to avoid confusing DS1. She would have been Grandma Patsy had she bothered to keep in touch - my kids have two others - Grandma and Nanna (who is my Step-M) )

lizzywig · 08/03/2012 14:58

Thank you everyone for your input, it's really very helpful to hear other peoples opinions because when it's just the two of you talking about it (abeit we have asked a couple of friends) you kind of get locked into one way of thinking and as some of you have said perhaps making a big deal over nothing. I think the fact that he has no relationship with his father makes it harder because if I was talking to my parents about something of this nature it would be so much easier.

DD is a lucky girl, she has my parents, his parents and three great grandparents. We do now how lucky she is believe me and we regulary take her round to see them all, although we can't go to his dad's house as it's worse than something Kim & Aggy would see and they don't allow for any visitors. DH has always made an effort with his Dad but his Dad not with him so we're hoping that things are changing now. His Nan said "I'll believe it when I see it" but then she's still bitter about when he used DH and his sister to get a council house and sooooo much more. I do think things are changing, I hope and it's been me who has been pushing DH to try and get his Dad back into our lives...for DD.

RabidEchidna - I like your idea actually and might suggest that to DH, no idea what it is but I can certainly find out.

NewYearsDaysie - I'm also quite keen on your idea.

As far as we are concerned we want DD and any future children to have close relationships with all of their grandparents, this is why we are trying so hard to work on their tattered relationship. At the end of the day we hope that if we build good relations now then we can all move on and everything be water under the bridge. Worst case scinareo nothing changes and we put on a front so DD is none the wiser. Turns out my mum couldn't stand my Granny (her MIL) but I didn't realise that until I was in my early twenties!

I do think actually the real issue is DH's resentment of his SM. I can completely understand a lot of the above comments where some of you feel that we're making a big deal over nothing, or some of you who think we're being horrible, but when you add in the family history to the mix it gets so political. DH's SM has avidly gone out of her way to make sure that DH's Dad and DH do not have a relationship and that is a massive part of the reason as to why this has come up in the first place. However as I said previously we are going above and beyond to make sure that a good relationship is established before DD is old enough to know otherwise.

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mummyinspain · 08/03/2012 15:13

ok, my greatgrandfather was welsh so her you go broadly speaking there are 2 options (sorry if I have offended anyone NOT intended just wanted to help out and I thought the 20 or so dialic variations that I know would not be helpful)! Ok basis covered as I would like to be able to go back to Wales at somepoint

North Wales = nain
South Wales = mam gu (hard on the g)

thegreylady · 08/03/2012 15:26

My dgs's have Grandma [me] Granny [s-i-l's mum] and Nana [s-i-l's step mum].Can you suggest Nanny to your dh's step mum?

RabidEchidna · 08/03/2012 15:38

Right Welsh for Grand ma is Mam-gu and Grand mother is Grand Fam, hope that helps

GirlWithALlamaTattoo · 08/03/2012 15:50

I'm guessing Tider is from the North Wales Taid, so would go with Nain.

In our family all GPs, step or blood, are Grandma Firstname and Grandpa Firstname (child's mum's side) and Nanny Firstname and Grandad Firstname (child's dad's side)

exoticfruits · 08/03/2012 16:01

I would just put Nana and first name-after all the DC hasn't got the back history.

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