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Pregnancy hormones? or do we really have a problem?

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CavaCamelia · 04/03/2012 13:38

Hello,

I would love some honest views on whether the current pickle I am in could be down to my bonkers pg hormones (I am 30 weeks atm) or if my marriage has a terminal problem. I apologise in advance if this is a bit long ... I want to make sure I give as clear a picture as possible but appreciate most some people might not make it to the end!

DH and I have been together for 7 yrs, married for 4. He had a very difficult childhood which had left him emotionally screwed up but at the time we got together, he had been through a lot of counselling and was, I thought, up to being in a healthy relationship.

A long term source of stress for both of us was our inability to conceive naturally - obviously this was very hard. We were blessed last year with a successful round of IVF and our little miracle wriggler is doing very well - hopefully she will be making an appearance in May. However, IVF obviously carries with it a lot of stress and I think we might both be struggling with that still, as well as with the amazing but terrifying prospect of being parents.

Since January-ish, I have felt things are not right between us. We have not had sex since before the IVF treatment. I reacted badly to the drugs which made things impossible for the first few months; and then - TMI warning - when I was ready for some rumpy, DH decided he didn't want to do anything unless it was raunchy / rough and, because of some early scares with the pregnancy, I felt I'd rather try something a bit more gentle and romantic first. DH didn't pressure me, but simply has not been interested in me in that way since.

We sleep in separate rooms because of his snoring (he has a problem with the bits at the back of his throat so it is properly horrendous snoring, not the odd cute snuffle). We sit on different sofas because he thinks I get too 'schmultzy.' He goes out a lot with his friends (which I think is important as he might not get the time to see them after the LO is here!) but this means he is too tired or hungover to make time for me.

He has recently started to make fun of me in front of people - for example, a couple of weeks ago, we were with some friends (one of whom is also a client of mine) and he started telling people how much I'd spent on maternity pants and how it was a waste of money because "it's not like they are sexy or anything." I was mortified, as were most of the people we were with as it really wasn't in keeping with the rest of the conversation.

He has also told people things about me that aren't true like I am so high maintenance, I "insisted" my parents came round to do our housework ... In fact, they stayed in our house while we were on holiday so they could see exhibitions etc in London and then, before they left, they cleared up after themselves. It was nice that they did but I certainly didn't "insist" and I'd done our housework before we left so they weren't clearing up after us. He later said he said it for a laugh and because it was more comical than telling the truth.

I feel he is making me out to be all the things that he thinks were wrong with the women who looked after him when he grew up and it's making me very sad. Like he's transfering all that angst onto me so he has a tangible (and currently vulnerable) target.

The latest thing is that, when I try to talk to him about how I feel, he accuses me of being hormonal, erratic and hysterical because I'm pg. He tries to dismiss what I say with comments like "here you go again, making mountains out of molehills." But they aren't molehills to me. I am sure hormones are making me a bit more sensitive than usual but I also think that to be feeling this way for so long means it's more than that.

We have just come back from a week away and all I kept thinking was that he is like a stranger to me. I want to be enjoying our little miracle yet I feel sad, belittled, ignored, lonely and like he could just throw accusations at me (or about me behind my back) for no reason. He thinks I am depressed and need to get help and a sense of humour about things.

I suppose I could be depressed but I don't feel depressed; just sad that our relationship has come to this. I still enjoy my work and seeing my friends and I can't wait until our baby arrives - oddly though, I think I would now be just as happy if I am looking after her by myself even though I know it's going to be hard work.

Does that sound like depression? Or hormones? Or should I bite the bullet and get on with working out how we co-parent once we seperate?

I am sorely tempted to book myself into a spa hotel for a few days to get some space but when I suggested that, he told me to "fuck off."

Hmmmmmm. Seeing all this written down, it doesn't look good, does it?

Please have a large Wine and lots of Thanks if you've made it this far...

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EirikurNoromaour · 04/03/2012 13:59

No good advice for you but it sounds awful, and not ok.

CrockoDuck · 04/03/2012 14:01

No way...I don't think this is you being over sensitive because of your hormones.

What on earth is the matter with the man? You went through all that together to conceive your baby (congrats, btw) and, rather than share your happiness he's decided to turn into a stroppy, selfish toddler.

I think you are perfectly entitled to a few days away. It'll probably do you the world of good - you need to try to avoid stress as much as you can right now.

Why don't you write him a very calm letter (no ranting or blame) and then go to the spa while he's at work. Tell him you'd like to sit down and really talk when you get back.

He can shove his "fuck of" up his backside. He has no business telling you where you can or can't go.

chocoraisin · 04/03/2012 14:05

you have my sympathy :( from what you've said, I don't think you're mad or hormonal. I think you're picking up on some not very nice behaviour from someone you expect care and consideration from. It sounds a little like he's emotionally detaching from you, and pulling away from the romantic element of your relationship. It's not ok to only be matey with each other, pg or not. Sitting apart, sleeping apart, taking the mick out of you in front of friends etc sounds a lot like he's putting some emotional boundaries down to keep you at an arms length.

This could all be rescuable of course if he is willing to recognise your POV and make a lot of effort. Well done for picking up on it though cos it's classic pre-affair behaviour (I'm not suggesting he is having an affair - it's just typical for a partner who strays to have spent considerable time detaching from their relationship, criticising their partner over small or false things, refusing intimacy and blaming the other person for being oversensitive or unreasonable when they get upset about it). I'd want to know what the hell he imagines his relationship should be like, given that he's not participating in a romantic relationship right now. If he's not meeting your expectations, tell him what they are in no uncertain terms. IE, don't mock me to our friends, show some affection and be respectful please!!

CavaCamelia · 04/03/2012 14:16

Thank you for your stamina at reading my enormous post and for your thoughts. I didn't think I was going totally mad.

Crock the letter idea sounds really good. I think he is more likely to take things in properly and not over-react if I write things down rather than talking face to face which can make him wildly over defensive.

Choco that's really interesting about pre-affair and emotional detachment. I certainly feel like he's trying to distance himself from me. I don't think he is having an affair but it definitely feels like he's not 100% in this relationship (more like 20% at the moment Sad ) but I hadn't really been able to put my finger on the emotional detachment thing before.

I think I will keep busy today and then book a little trip somewhere nice for a day or two tomorrow. Fortunately I am self-employed and have a few days free. Normally I'd look forward to hanging out at home and doing nice things with DH in the evening but I can't face any more evenings of being ignored and belittled.

Thanks again Smile

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Mumsyblouse · 04/03/2012 14:20

The thing that stands out for me is the putting up boundaries around sex and intimacy (so, only wanting to have rough sex, not more gentle sex in pregnancy- WTF?!, sitting on separate sofas-WTF?!)

These are big red flags that he is struggling with you being pregnant and reverting to earlier bad patterns of behaviour/relationships.

I am not sure what you could say to someone who thinks like this, except that you are deeply worried by his behaviour and you are not hysterical and you are not sure if you can cope with being rejected in all these forms. Don't cry, don't scream, be very calm but let him know that you can see this and you are not stupid.

CrockoDuck · 04/03/2012 14:25

Yes, I really think a few days to yourself would do you (and the baby) the power of good.

Make sure, in the letter, you make it clear that you've not gone off in a strop, not left him - you just think a few days away from the situation would help both of you.

CrockoDuck · 04/03/2012 14:27

BTW...do you think he's worrying about his ability to be a good father? Lots of people who have had fractured childhoods do worry about this. Maybe he's distancing himself because he's half expecting to be a failure.

TooEasilyTempted · 04/03/2012 15:00

You haven't described what exactly constitues a 'difficult childhood' but I think that now the reality has hit, i.e. he's going to be a dad, he's absolutely terrified that he's going to repeat the pattern that he grew up with and consequently is behaving like a total wanker, almost pushing you away before baby is here so that he can absolve himself of any responsibility for your child having a shitty childhood like his.

Alternatively, he is just a total arse and you'd be better off without him.

Would he consider the two of you going to counselling together? If so, then it's definitely worth looking into before the baby arrives, as once baby is here you won't have much time for that kind of thing.

HardCheese · 04/03/2012 15:16

Your post is completely coherent, and shows no signs whatsoever of eing hormonal or hysterical. I get very wary of people who label pregnant women in this way anyway - I'm 38 weeks pregnant myself, and, if anything, have been mentally clearer and on a more even keel while pregnant than at any other time in my adult life.

No advice other than I concur with choco and mumsy's reading of the situation, and think counselling before the baby comes is a good idea.

CavaCamelia · 04/03/2012 20:52

Hello,

Wow, very good advice! Thanks all for your replies.

I think the point about boundaries with intimacy is a very good one; I hadn't really seen it like that (just felt DH was being a general arse). Like he's rationing how close I can get to him.

I also really agree that he could well be limiting his involvement in preparation for things to go wrong. DH's screwed up childhood, in an oversimplified nutshell, basically consisted of his parents divorcing when he was five and using him as emotional ammunition. His parents were both very cruel to and openly contemptuous of each other in front of him so he withdrew pretty severely.

NOT helped AT ALL by the fact that his crazy warped maiden aunts took over much of the childcare. They were domineering and emotionally abusive (sometimes open and cuddly; sometimes spiteful and distant with no reason or explanation behind which mood they were going to be in on a day to day basis).

I think he is aware, on some level, of the fact that he does not have any positive parenting role models so this must be freaking him out.

I think I am going to suggest counselling as I don't feel confident he will take on board what I say at the moment. He seems stuck in an odd point scoring game of who can be the meanest to each other and I wonder if a properly mediated conversation might have more of an impact than trying to talk everything through with him by myself.

Thank you again for your insight, thoughts and advice. You have helped me feel saner and a bit more positive about things. And also convinced me that a little pampering trip away somewhere is a good idea.

Thanks Thanks Thanks

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creativepebble · 04/03/2012 21:21

You are not alone and reading your post I can really identify with you. I have also been married for (nearly) 4 years and hubby also had a very fractured childhood. We have a very spirited 2 year old and I constantly struggle to make sure we are consistent with the discipline.

I am also pregnant (8 months) and am still working full-time. (I also went back very early after number one: I pay the mortgage) We are simply from completely different upbringings and it shows. Childcare issues (and costs) I deal with and quite frankly, I have been at the end of my tether quite a lot.
Every day is a struggle. (Separate sofas? Yes, I get that too btw.)

You are knackered and hormonal yes, but you have very real issues and should be being supported. I'm afraid that I have gone into myself a bit as there is no changing him and even though it is far from what I signed up for, - or what I was promised - it's reality. I'm not even sure I want him there at the birth of number 2 but then I'd be taking that away from him, which would seem wrong.

I totally see where you are coming from. I walked out twice when I was pregnant first time, and once when our child was only a few months old. Did he change? No. But did he suddenly listen? Yes. You must try to remain calm though; calm when you explain yourself and calm when you listen back to him. Very difficult I know, but from experience, if you are not calm he WILL think you are hysterical. You are not. I promise.

I have no answers, other than to give you a bit of a hug over the internet. It sounds to me like he's a bit lost, in denial and frightened at the moment and it doesn't help that he has been a bit of a shit to you and made you feel lonely, quite frankly. Be prepared for him to love your child masses but not know what the hell to do / how to show it / then be overprotective about weird stuff. He didn't change a nappy for months and hated me breastfeeding in front of even my own mother. I hope that he'll come into his own when the children are older...

My Mum keeps telling me to just get on with my own stuff and he'll follow accordingly (hopefully). No, It's not how I imagined it, but that's life.

I wish you luck, love, and a husband who steps up. x

CavaCamelia · 05/03/2012 20:22

Hi creativepebble

Thanks for your post but I am sorry you are going through something similar. I know what you mean about things not being what you expect.

I am sending you a big Internet hug too and I hope things work out with you and your family.

Here's hoping our men get their acts together!

Thanks again and take care of yourself,

Xxxx

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