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To move in, or not to move in?

56 replies

jenrose29 · 27/02/2012 22:05

Apologies as this is long, but feel it is best to explain everything in the initial post to get the best responses!

My partner and I have been together for 2.5 years, we met a couple of months after splitting from our respective husband and wife. He has two kids aged 4 and 5 and I have a 4 year old. My ex husband was abusive and when I met my partner, he offered that I rent his house as he was moving from the area to a different house and his wife had moved to a different house with a new partner. My daughter and I moved in and were very relieved to be away from my ex husband, but a few days later my partners wife began entering the house when we weren't there, leaving abusive notes, taking away the curtains, turning off the water/electric, rifling through our things etc. She gave him a lot of grief and we had to move back in with my ex husband/her father who then continued to be extremely abusive until we managed to get a place in a hostel a few months later.

In the meantime, my partners wife demanded the full amount of child maintenance each month and he paid it, despite having the kids for half the time. He also continued to pay the £800 mortgage on the house. She would be very abusive about me (despite being the one that cheated on him and left him!) and he would never defend me. My daughter and I eventually were able to get our own house and we moved to the area my partner was living in, around 30 miles away. My partners wife did several nasty things, like reporting me for benefit fraud when I first got out of the hostel and was getting back on my feet, she reported him to the police for paedophilia for taking a picture of the kids in the bath, she stopped him seeing them for 5 months for no apparent reason (he did nothing), then reduced contact to one night every six weeks, she moved house twice without telling him, she sent him a text listing the ten people she could remember (!) cheating on him with during their marriage and so on. She continued to be nasty to/about me. Again, no defence from him.

Despite all this, our relationship was going fantastically and we began to consider having a baby. He had been saying that he would start divorce proceedings once they'd been separated for 2 years as that makes things easier. The two year mark passed in September, which is the month I happened to fall pregnant. He was very happy that we were having a baby of our own, but months passed and he made no progress with the divorce. She piled debts on to him and he paid them, she made unreasonable demands regarding about the kids and he did it etc. He then said it would be his new years resolution to get divorced. Now we're nearly in March, I'm 7 months pregnant and he has done nothing.

At the moment my daughter and I are still in our own house, my partner is due to move into a new rented property next month and we were due to move in with him. However, I am having second thoughts. His wife has done so much to be spiteful and as long as they are still married she can still do more - like putting more debts on him, filing for spousal maintenance etc. My daughter and I are finally secure in our own home and if we were to move in with him, I don't feel like we would be anymore as at any point his wife could do something spiteful. My partner cannot afford to support my daughter and I as he pays so much in child maintenance for his/their debts, so effectively if his wife did something to cause him to have to pay out more money, he would be okay as he could live in work accomodation but my daughter, our baby and I would be homeless again.

Every time I bring the divorce up, he says he will get it sorted, but he doesn't. He has gone from having the kids half the time, to once every six weeks and has done nothing. His wife has lived in six different houses since they separated, most recently moving this month without giving him the address, you guessed it- he's done nothing. His wife regularly leaves it to the day of arranged contact before letting him know if he's getting one/both of the kids so my daughter never knows what's going on/we can never make any plans. He suspects one/both of the children may not even be his biologically as a result of how many affairs/one night stands his wife had, but does he do anything...? Of course not. I just feel like his life is one long cycle of putting things off, and I don't want to live like that. I don't understand why he doesn't just get the divorce and kids sorted so he can have some kind of order in his life, instead of living at his wifes beck and call forever. Am I being unreasonable? Would I be silly to move in, or am I worrying too much?

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rightchoice · 28/02/2012 22:20

Imagine how quickly love and laughter would fly out of the window if you did live together and all of your worst fears came true. You would have to untangle everything all over again. You still see him now, you have little or nothing to gain by putting yourself in a difficult situation which as you say is pretty much predictable. How many times have you already said....I knew that would happen...... If, and when he mans up to everything that is the time to re-consider. Until then self protect.....

jenrose29 · 28/02/2012 22:53

Point taken rightchoice. I already resent him for how much he lets her walk all over him, for not defending my daughter and I/our relationship when she slates it and so if my daughter, baby and I were caused to be homeless/in difficulty because of her, which would then also be because of him and his lack of action, then I think the damage wouldn't be able to be undone.

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rightchoice · 28/02/2012 23:08

Exactly. Why sleepwalk into something as risky as being homeless - it would be irresponsible, and that is something you cannot afford to be. You have enough responsibilities without adding worry about being homeless with a baby and dc to care for.

Concentrate on what you can control not what you can't. He may have a very good but secret reason why he does not make the break from the past, but smoke screens it under the guise of an easy life - umm. I would be wondering if it were me.

jenrose29 · 29/02/2012 21:38

I just don't see what that could be? His wife is practically the devil, there is no reason why he would want to be married to her, he hates her but just buries his head in the sand and wishes she'd get hit by a bus!

I really don't think there are any secrets. One of the main things (and I don't think it could get much worse) that could cause trouble is that his wife had a baby over a year after they split and the baby has my partners surname, though his wife doesn't. I suspect that my partners name is on the birth certificate, as his wife split with the father, but he hasn't bothered looking into that. In which case, I predict a CSA claim at some point and then a period of payments before proving the baby isn't his. Even then, he may not even refuse to pay - even when he was having his kids half the time he continued to pay the full amount of maintenance (that he couldn't afford) so as not to 'rock the boat!'

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squeakytoy · 29/02/2012 21:42

I think there is an awful lot of wool being pulled over your eyes OP.

How do his family get on with his ex, do they see the children?

Squirrelz · 29/02/2012 21:47

To quote a friend of a friend "He needs to grow a pair". Until he stops with the avoiding confrontation at all costs, you need to keep him at arms length.

I had similar issues, not as bad, but still avoided confrontation as much as possible, and it just used to make bad things far, far worse. I had to realise it for myself to do something about it. I finally "grew a pair" mid divorce, and while my ex wasn't as bad as his sounds, my relationship with her now that we're divorced is far better because I stand my ground when I need to.

Whatever you do, don't get any further entangled until he comes to his senses, otherwise you will be years down the line with him still married to his ex, and bailing her out etc. He won't change unless he has the will to.

rightchoice · 29/02/2012 21:54

I think you have every right to admit that whilst there are lots of things you love about this man, there are lots of reason to just leave it at that. Just because you love him it does not automatically mean that you have to live with him, support him financially, provide a roof over his head, or a provide a bolt hole and safe haven for him.

If things feel wrong then they probably are wrong for you. His unresolved tangled history is not something your energy should have to go on. This is no way to start out for a young family. Why drag your dc into the picture to witness arguements and bad feeling which is taking mummy's happiness away. You have your own space - many on MN would give their right arm for that. Dont jeapordise your home and family harmony, it is not the way to live - you do know that. Stay wise and stay focused on what you want and need. You can do it.

jenrose29 · 29/02/2012 22:06

His family have nothing to do with the ex, they see the children only when he has contact with them.

rightchoice - there are no arguments or bad feeling for my daughter to witness, he won't argue remember! And I'm not unhappy, I have my daughter and my baby and he is welcome to join us IF he sorts his stuff out. But I don't feel it is fair on my daughter, nor the baby, to wait around for him indefinitely.

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rightchoice · 29/02/2012 22:15

But if he moved in would there be - that is what I am thinking.

jenrose29 · 02/03/2012 10:07

I told him that my daughter and I aren't moving in until he sorts out his issues. He has a solicitor appointment next week and we'll see how it goes from there.

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Smum99 · 02/03/2012 10:49

Well done Jenrose, I can understand why you are so keen to have a 'normal' relationship especially when you have a new baby but Rightchoice has given good advice in a sensitive way.

if things feels wrong then they probably are wrong for you this is very, very sensible advice.

mojitomania · 02/03/2012 10:58

Well it's an obvious don't move in one isn't it. You will then be looking after two babies.

rightchoice · 02/03/2012 22:45

You have made a wise and sensible decision. I am glad he has made an appointment with a solicitor. One question he might ask them is how long it might take to sort out his issues; then you can work out how long you will be living separately. He has a massive incentive to get things sorted, and if that incentive isn't enouth then you may need to re-examine your future.

It could be just the push he needs, but my advice is stick to your guns until its done and the decks are cleared for both your sakes and for the sake of the dc.

Would love to hear how the meeting goes next week!!

citytovillage · 02/03/2012 23:11

Could he not get a dna sample of the other two children and do paternity testing?

jenrose29 · 03/03/2012 10:08

Rightchoice - he will ask that but a lot will depend on his ex of course. He told her he has an appointment and asked what they will write down about the kids and she said to 'leave the kids out of it as she pretty much has sole custody' but if he doesn't include things about the children, then obviously she could use that against him in the future so not sure how he will figure that one out. Will let you know what the solicitor says. Not sure how it's going to work considering he doesn't even have his wifes address but am trying not be too sceptical...!

Citytovillage - Yes he could. He has had suspicions since they born because of how much she cheated but he has only thought about paternity testing, rather than actually doing it. I think it is one of the main things he needs to do. Obviously if one/both wasn't his he would be heartbreaking but it is better to know now while they are young rather than later on.

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nkf · 03/03/2012 10:26

Why would you live with him? He's married. I think you've made some bad choices and moving in with him would be the worst yet. Sorry.

jenrose29 · 07/03/2012 20:38

Rightchoice - Your update as promised...He had his solicitors appointment. His solicitor is writing the wife a letter - how, I don't know seeing as he doesn't know and hasn't asked where she and his kids live. What the letter will say, I've no idea. He has changed the subject everytime I've asked to talking about him reducing his debt payments so I can move in. I have catergorically said that I am NOT moving in while he is financially, legally and morally responsible for his wife and kids. He then was feeling sorry for himself about not being able to live with the baby, so I pointed out that he has had 2.5 years to sort it out and hasn't and so he has let it get to this stage. He said he has been putting it off because he was 'scared of the outcome'! I asked what outcome could be worse than he's got, and he said 'well, there isn't one.'

I pointed out how much I have done to be with him - my daughter and I travelled back and forth on public transport for hours on end to see him when we initially got together as he lived 30 miles away for the first year we were together. I then bent over backwards to move to the area to be near him. I have let my daughter get extremely close to him and have trusted him to care for her on occasion. I have defended him to my ex-husband endlessly when he has criticised him, and what has he done for my daughter and I? Nothing. I said I have been very patient and committed but get nothing back. He just apologised for 'letting me down.'

Then tonight my daughter was fiddling with his phone while he was in the toilet and opened a text from his wife. From what it sounded like, they'd spoken earlier today and he'd arranged to have his parents babysit, to go and see the kids after school (which costs over £40 because of the distance, yet he can't afford to contribute to our baby!) and to have them on various weekend dates when she needs a babysitter, despite the fact he'd had plans with us. None of this has been discussed or even mentioned to me. Never mind the fact that a couple of weeks ago she reported me for tax credit fraud - total rubbish but not the point - and he hasn't said a word to her about it. She has sent more derogatory texts about me, again - no defence from him.

Fed up is an understatement.

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NettleTea · 07/03/2012 21:37

I dont think he is ever going to stand up to her, and I dont think you should move in with him until his divorce is completely sorted, even if then.
I am suspicious that he doesnt want to talk about what the solicitor said. You do know that they wont grant a divorce before the judge is content that financial and child contact arrangements have been agreed and seen by the court, so this talk of 'leaving the kids out of it' is complete BS. They CANNOT leave the kids out of it, its one of the absolute fundamental things which need clarifying before any court will start proceedings. Makes me wonder if he has even seen a solicitor, especially given you said he doesnt know her address.
And if he doesnt know her address, how can parents be babysitting? (or is it at their place?)
He is hoping you will roll over if he feels sorry for himself, but he sounds like just too much mess to get muddled up with, and it seriously sounds like you are right out of the loop when it comes to his wife. How sure are you that the chil with his name is NOT his. Really. And not just because you are/were together. Does he see/take care of this child?

jenrose29 · 07/03/2012 21:50

Yes I know all about what the divorce entails and have told him, which is why I suspect he has arranged to babysit - to soften her up so she won't dispute the statement of arrangements when it comes to it. He has definitely seen a solicitor, think he is planning on sending the letter to her parents address for her. Yes the babysitting would be at his parents house. I'm positive that the third child isn't his and no he doesn't see her. Like I said earlier, he suspects one/both of the kids might not be his, but isn't doing anything about it.

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olgaga · 07/03/2012 22:45

he has no spare money because of the debts and maintenance payments and I have bought everything for the baby so far

I'm not surprised he wants you to move in with him - he'd have a much better quality of life with your income! You'll end up keeping him so he can keep his ex, and probably end up homeless eventually.

He hasn't helped you in any way in response to his ex-wife's abusive behaviour, he won't get a divorce, he can't support you...has he done anything at all to prepare for you and your two children to move in with him?

You have a home and security at the moment, and your responsibility to your daughter and unborn baby is to keep it that way.

This is a criticism of him, not you - but it sounds like he thinks you're a complete mug!

Doha · 07/03/2012 22:49

jenrose the more l read the more l am very wary about this entire situation.

I am afraid l feel that you would be better to cut your losses and run now.

This situation will not turn out the way you want it too.

olgaga · 07/03/2012 23:15

Any normal couple in your situation would have sat down and thrashed out all the financial issues together before he even saw a solicitor. Then together you would look at the draft communication together - because most solicitors will email a draft for approval before it is sent, in case they have missed anything or got their wires crossed. Especially in a complex situation such as this.

Why are you so certain he has actually seen a solicitor? If he has, why hasn't he told you what this letter is going to say? Is it a financial and contact proposal? An offer of mediation? He would at least know that.

It sounds like there was no appointment, no solicitor and no letter.

jenrose29 · 08/03/2012 10:58

There was a solicitors appointment, I dropped him off there and his dad made it for him so he definitely went. Of course he knows what the letter will say, he just hasn't told me. I've asked twice and he's changed the subject so I'm not going to be beg to be told. He's digging his own grave as far as I'm concerned with secret arrangements/phone conversations/texts with his wife. His arrangements with her and his kids affect us all and if he wants to keep it seperate then he can keep everything seperate.

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olgaga · 08/03/2012 14:51

His arrangements with her and his kids affect us all and if he wants to keep it seperate then he can keep everything seperate.

I think that's the right approach. Definitely don't move in with him. He isn't treating you with any respect or consideration for your feelings. Who knows what the future holds, but you clearly cannot rely on him for anything.

Chrononaut · 08/03/2012 18:00

Op, i think your trying to sail a sinking ship here. for the sake of your children i'd cut your losses and tell him to go. If hes not supporting you now he never will.