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Mum's hoarding so bad she won't let us in any more - it's long

21 replies

phdlife · 25/02/2012 20:04

My mum is 76. She's also ill - she has ME, I think she has fibromyalgia as well, she has frequent problems with her gut obstructing after bowel cancer surgery 15 years ago, she can eat no fibre (read fruit and vegetables), she has back problems and wrist problems and neck problems. She has had several falls - the last one was on New Year's Eve, when she cracked 3 ribs.

So she cannot keep her house clean. She has had helpers but she fired one after - oh, I don't even remember why - and the last one went because, apparently, she insisted on wiping the bathroom sink with the same rag she'd just cleaned the toilet with. And she refuses to contemplate another, because those last two were such bad experiences.

But even they were only working in the clear paths between all mum's stuff, because she is a hoarder. She has mountains of magazines that she cannot throw out until she has read them all and carefully cut out any picture or recipe or article she imagines my sister or I might like. She has plastic bags full of old clothes and new clothes and doll clothes and toys and cardboard boxes and toilet paper rolls and newspapers and her dining room table is covered in a mountain of receipts and paperwork and scraps of wrapping paper and church programmes and magazine articles and god knows what else. On her cooktop is a bag of flour that expired in 2005. Now imagine all that times a 3-bedroom house.

She cannot accept any form of help with it, either. She thinks that her whole problem is that she's ill, but a couple of years ago a friend of hers tried to throw out a plastic bag that she thought was rubbish and mum ended up going through the woman's bin to get it back. She is still traumatized by that and, I think, by my sister's frequent offers to hire a skip and take a week off work and help mum out. But all mum talks about, besides her illnesses, is how much progress she's made, getting a few things thrown out today. Mostly she complains that she hasn't made any progress at all, but she's determined it will be sorted, like the war, by Christmas.

We used to be able to visit. The dc's and I would sit in the two square metres of clear space on the floor and they would get out all her toys and children's books or go play the piano, but for the past couple of months she's refused to have us in. She says the mess is too bad. My 4yo ds has asked often when we're going again, and the sad thing is, I think the only answer can be 'never'.

OP posts:
scarletforya · 25/02/2012 20:13

Do you think she might consider residential care?

MandyT68 · 25/02/2012 20:22

Depression?

Flanelle · 25/02/2012 21:03

Sounds like my Grandma. My Grandma is 90. But she has now found a cleaner she likes whose husband also helps out with DIY, so not so bad. Dunno really. 76 not that old - she could be having a jolly nice time still, so this does warrant thinking about.
But don't traumatise her by doing stuff she hasn't consented to, that's all I know. Sorry, that's crap isn't it?

phdlife · 25/02/2012 21:20

flanelle, I know - but we have yet to find any form of assistance she wil consent to. (we are focusing, at the moment, on getting her one of those alarms she can wear round her neck, because her falls have been getting scary - she cut herself to shreds falling in the rose garden one evening, bonking her head on the concrete border on the way down - what if she'd lain out there all night?)

also, although 76 is not that old, I think all her health problems will stop her from having a jolly nice time. Half the time she can barely even get out of bed.

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Flanelle · 25/02/2012 21:30

Sorry - I did see that but didn't consider it properly. If she's compos mentis there's not much you can actually do, other than keep talking about it. She has the right to live in a dangerous shitheap, after all.

The personal alarm is a very good thing anyway.

seaofyou · 25/02/2012 21:33

she has a mental illness too...you have to think of her safety at home alone...mobility risk of falling, fire hazards.
I would see her GP and ask advice.
But until her or another person's life is at risk then is nought a GP etc can do unless someone (not you or family) can try and help her see ie (CBT)

seaofyou · 25/02/2012 21:35

Also practicaly, can you send her to visit family and you all go in and fill a skip...then help her weekly to keep on top of house work?

kodachrome · 25/02/2012 21:48

Hoarding can be a symptom of depression - and also sometimes dementia, I believe. Has her mental health been assessed?

KenDoddsDadsDog · 25/02/2012 21:50

I feel for you I really do. There was a hoarding thread on here somewhere to support people. My parents are complete hoarders, two bedrooms out of three are packed to the rafters, the staircase, landing, loft and garage.

FlyingFig · 25/02/2012 21:51

I know how you feel (except with my dad it's the hoarding of antiques and paintings; there's nowhere to sit in his house, he now sleeps on a mattress surrounded by his 'collections' and the hallway is crammed with hundreds of paintings). The DC haven't been inside his house for years (DS3, aged 6, has actually never been inside, doesn't even really know where granddad lives as we meet up away from his house). He also starts DIY jobs and never finishes them; he ripped his central heating out years ago and keeps warm using a paraffin heater as he never finishes his crazy brainstorms (despite being more than capable to do so).

I'm sorry I can't offer you any practical advice, I'll be reading this thread with interest though. I just wanted you to know you're not alone. It's all very sad.

phdlife · 25/02/2012 22:02

I don't think she's mentally ill (apart from, anyone who hoards that much is mentally ill), nor do I think she's particularly depressed, although the ME does include depression. I think it has to do with a much more deep-seated issue - profound childhood losses, sort of thing. Illness aside, she is pretty high functioning and feisty.

What is most heartbreaking about it, I think, is the understanding that there is nothing that anyone can do to "help", because this is what mum needs for a sense of security. A plan like seaofyou's would absolutely devastate her. I know this, I accept this, it is all just terribly sad.

FlyingFig thanks for your kind words. My dd has been to Nana's, but I don't think she'd remember it even now (she's not quite 3). But my son's bewilderment ("but why does nana like to keep her house so messy?") is a whole other issue.

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seaofyou · 25/02/2012 22:13

I am sorry I sounded harsh, never meant to be just factual.

Neurosis is mental illness and it sound like this from what you described I apologise for crossed wires

dontthinkicanbebothered · 25/02/2012 22:28

I feel for you op. My dm is a little younger than yours and too is massive horder. She has no flat surface that is free from crap - for eg, the cooker is piled high with pans and cups etc, the sofa has magazines all over it with other random crap. Her house is dirty too. I have offered to help but nothing ever comes from it. I have kind of given up but try and take stuff home with me to throw in the bin.

Slambang · 25/02/2012 22:41

This was my MIL. Apparently hoarding is a form of OCD or closely related to it. In MIL's case there was OCD, depression, agoraphobia and eventually dementia mixed in.

A couple of times (when the situation had become a serious health risk - think dead cats Sad) the family forcibly cleared out some of the worst of the rubbish. It caused immense distress for MIL and she never really trusted anyone to come in her house again. Of course she just refilled the empty spaces within a year of the clear ups.

I honestly think that unless a hoarder asks for help there is not a lot you can do.

olgaga · 25/02/2012 22:57

I'm afraid there's nothing you can do about this without causing your mother real trauma. If it becomes a safety hazard, then obviously you should encourage her to let you help you have a clear-out, but even that will disturb her. There is a theory that it's connected to OCD, but for the older generation I think there are other issues - that's not to say it isn't OCD, but many of them grew up with very little, and hate to throw anything away.

It's also a way of controlling your life (even though it seems completely the opposite). It's about having your life the way you want it, with everything you might want to hand. That is a comfort, especially if you're not able to do much else. Obviously that becomes more of an issue the older you get.

Most of us have quite a lot of stuff that needs throwing away. We just haven't got 50 or more years worth of it!

tallwivglasses · 26/02/2012 15:31

I know it's expensive, but would she consider storage? That way you could pack away lots of stuff (to go through 'later') and so get at all the stuff behind/underneath it to sort and clean. Once there's a bit of space you could collect a box from the storage place once a week for her to go through.

Just watch she doesn't fill her new-found space full of more crap in the meantime...

squeakytoy · 26/02/2012 15:52

Or even just tell her it is going into storage perhaps? Would she go along with that...

Get her out of the house for a few days, and get in there with some helpers to get it cleared.

Smithson6 · 26/02/2012 19:25

I'm not sure if you can access now it now but I saw a documentary on the iplayer a while back about a woman and her mother who was a hoarder. It was unusually well made and insightful and really helped me understand the condition. See info here www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b013nhfq Worth a scoobie maybe for those of you with relatives who hoard. I don't know what the protocol is for accessing old docs but I guess you could email the bbc and ask.

Smithson6 · 26/02/2012 19:32

I should add the thing that the doc highlighted to me is that hoarding is a mental health issue and the go in all-guns-blazing with a plan to clean and clear could be very distressing for the sufferer. The hoarder's panic in being organised to de-clutter by her family was palpable and communicated very clearly how much of an ordeal it was for her to address the problem.

stressheaderic · 26/02/2012 19:35

Huge sympathies. My MIL sounds very similar to your DM, she hoards everything, mostly plastic bags full of charity shop finds for herself and anyone she can convince herself it would be useful for.
We did hire a skip once and she was traumatized when she got back to a tidy house, she didn't speak to us for months. The truth is, she likes having lots of 'stuff', it makes her feel good, she touches and strokes her possessions as if they were people (I've heard this is quite common).

Sadly, it was a major stroke last August that left her wheelchair and housebound, and then the onset of dementia, that has meant we've been able to sneak stuff out bag by bag, without her really noticing.

FabbyChic · 26/02/2012 19:38

Have you consulted with a Social worker to see if there is anything that can be done to help her.

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