Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Help needed and sorry it's long

5 replies

pinkhalf · 20/02/2012 02:23

I need some help with a friend of mine who has separated but not divorced her husband. I feel like I am on the outside looking in.

Background: two years ago she left him and they separated. She wasn't happy with him, he was drinking heavily, had serious depression and had been hitting the children. He left. I do not know but I got the impression there had been a fair amount of emotional abuse. She hinted at it but never confirmed. He is my view an alcoholic.

About six months later, he managed to get his feet back under the table and was back in the house. He did it incrementally, she wanted him to see the children and he had stopped drinking. Pretty soon he was back and sleeping in a different room from her but back. It degenerated and he soon began drinking again and there was another incident of him hitting one of the boys.

She rang me and said he refused to leave the house. She sounded completely ragged and asked for help. He knew that she couldn't make him leave so I went down there with my husband and brother, changed the locks and told him he wasn't welcome. I know we should not have done the locks but she sounded terrified and I wanted her to have protection for the children. I told her hat sh should not let him back in.

He left, got a job and moderated his drinking. She seemed happier but didn't go to the next stage that I thought and start a divorce. She arranged for him to hae access to the children (often at the house) and pretty soon he was around to use the computer, pick up the post and anything else he could think of. Then around for Sunday lunch as part of contact.....

Cut to today. She told me (and seemed ashamed) that she came downstairs and he was busy doing the ironing! The children had let him in. He then announced that he was being made homeless in a fortnight and could he stay at the house. And he had lost his job.

Okay she told me this and sounded really worried. She is on antidepressants. I said it was his problem, and could he not stay with his family. No apparently not as his mother is in sheltered housing and his brother shares a flat and no room. Sounds to me like he had it all ready for her to hear. She is worried that he will end up sleeping on a park bench, to which I said tough.

She is a lovely person but she is too soft, she said but he is the father of my children. She worries that he will camp outside the house in two weeks. That is her fear.

I think he is a manipulative alcoholic who knows that she will struggle with the toughness that is needed. Her life has been blighted by suicide, her mother and her brother in law both killed themselves from drink and the isolation it brought. I know that she is worried about it for him and yet she wont put herself first. She has sent out a lo of mixed messages to both him and the children by letting him back in and with the access arrangements. Bottom line is I think he sees that and her as soft. But because of her depression I am struggling with what to say to her so I don't sound critical. I want to positively help, not make her feel worse. She has always used me as a sounding board and I know she wants my help but I think she has to do this for herself.

OP posts:
SmilesThroughGrittedTeeth · 20/02/2012 06:24

She does have to do this for herself. My H has emotionally abused me for years. It doesn't matter what everyone has told me about leaving him and that I would be happier without him. That I deserved better. If I had left because they told me to I would always wonder if I could have made it work and I would have resented the people I listened to. I had to let his abuse of me go on until one day it was finally enough. Now I know I have tried everything and that it is not me. He is the monster. There is nothing wrong with me except codependency.

My counselor said there would come a time when I would know that I was DONE. And that day has finally come. Its not without emotion.

Also, here is my experience with antidepressants. I got depressed being with my H. Daily life was rough so every time I went to see the doctor and talked about how I felt, my antidepressant dosage was increased. I realized one day that I couldn't really feel the "pain" of what my H was doing to me. So, I stopped taking my meds. I HAD to feel the pain of everything he was doing. I had to be angry because of how he treated me. I let my doctor know what I had done and they were supportive of me because my main reason for taking the antidepressants was situational based, not my depression being chemical or inherited based. I'm still off them and cry more often but I can finally be really angry at him for all he's done. I don't recommend she do this. But do keep in mind that she may not be experiencing the pain in the way you would expect her to be because of the antidepressants.

While you can't tell her what to do, you can build her up. Tell her how wonderful she is. Remind her what emotional abuse is. Remind her she is not to blame. Get her some of the emotional abuse books by Lundy Bancroft. Others will know the names. Talk about the ways you and your DH resolve conflict. Have the two of you model the behavior for her of what a good relationship should look like.

Also, my counselor said that I had created a fictional place in my mind that I went to to excuse his behavior, to place the blame for everything that went wrong on myself, to do the if only I had X, then he wouldn't have done Y. Now that I have come to terms that it is all him and not me, I am reliving a bunch of the abuse that has gone on because so many of the memories that I have repressed are popping up. She said I have to relive that hurt and grieve. That the only way for me to get through it is to swim through the memories but that I would come out on the other side. If your friend goes through this, she will need a lot of hand holding because it is quite painful. My counselor suggested I journal to get a lot of it out so I started blogging it. It is helping me.

Hope this helps.

destinyorfate · 20/02/2012 06:39

Everything SmilesThroughGrittedTeeth says is right. She has got to do it for herself.

I was unhappy for years and ended up on AD's and what STGT says is so true. They put you in a place where you 'tolerate' your life, when in fact you need to face up to why you are unhappy/depressed and actually 'deal' with it.

I have behaved quite badly myself towards my OH but he wont agree to a divorce and is making things extremely hard for me. I have now (hopefully) found a solicitor that I feel understands my situation and who I feel will fight my corner for me. When he hears from her things will get worse here so I am bracing myself but at long last, there is a light at the end of the tunnel :)

Does your friend know about Mumsnet? It was from reading about other peoples situations that I realised my relationship was bad and that I actually did have a right to get out of it and be happy!

I wish I had had a friend like you! :)

pinkhalf · 20/02/2012 15:08

Thanks for the replies. I will call her this evening. I just don't want her to think its all on her and she must fix it. I think she feels shame and there's nothing to be ashamed of. I will try and build her up but she's getting far too good at putting herself last. Wants to preserve the relationship for the kids.... I think the contact is worse, myself.

I can hear that depression thing getting its grip and want to try and prevent the slide into it. I've had it myself and I know what hell it can be, you feel unable to do anything.

OP posts:
something2say · 20/02/2012 15:50

Pinkhalf, your friend sounds scared to me, as tho she is afraid of what will happen if she doesn't let him come back and stay.... Have you give her the national helpline for DV number? 0808 2000 247....

Jux · 20/02/2012 16:18

I'm sure his brother has a floor or sofa he can sleep on. There is really no need for him to make himself her responsibility again. And as soon as he feels comfy he will start drinking again and then hitting, or worse, as you know.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread